(09-30-2022 12:45 AM)Alanda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 12:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2022 08:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]He was a victim of NCAA corruption.
All that is in the past, I suspect he is going to have his break out season in the NBA.
Best of luck to him.
HOW in hell was he a victim?
EVERY player who got extra benefits got basically the same penalty.
Sit out 9 games and present a plan to pay back extra benefit before his eligibility ran out.
Didn't have to physically pay back a red cent before he returned to the court.
Only difference in his was he had to sit additional game for each game he played.
Because there shouldn't have been a problem with his "extra benefits".
Regardless of why he given the extra benefits, coach knew that as a booster he wasn't supposed to give the family money. Luckily for us the IARP went out of their way to rationalize the gift of the money. So we got slap on wrist.
The TSSAA looked at same events without trying to rationalize why it happened. And Easy High was slapped with major penalties.
(09-30-2022 01:14 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 12:45 AM)Alanda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 12:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2022 08:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]He was a victim of NCAA corruption.
All that is in the past, I suspect he is going to have his break out season in the NBA.
Best of luck to him.
HOW in hell was he a victim?
EVERY player who got extra benefits got basically the same penalty.
Sit out 9 games and present a plan to pay back extra benefit before his eligibility ran out.
Didn't have to physically pay back a red cent before he returned to the court.
Only difference in his was he had to sit additional game for each game he played.
Because there shouldn't have been a problem with his "extra benefits".
Regardless of why he given the extra benefits, coach knew that as a booster he wasn't supposed to give the family money. Luckily for us the IARP went out of their way to rationalize the gift of the money. So we got slap on wrist.
The TSSAA looked at same events without trying to rationalize why it happened. And Easy High was slapped with major penalties.
That doesn't make sense because he wasn't the coach of the university at the time and was not pushing players to go to Memphis along with the help he gave. If Wiseman went to Kentucky or anywhere else this situation with the NCAA never happens. I honestly doubt he even thought about the booster angle since he was so used to helping people for such a long time on top of what I just mentioned. Worst case he was intentionally skirting rules to get the best player he could to go to East. And that sill has nothing to do with the university or NCAA.
The TSSAA and NCAA are going to have different bylaws which can lead to different outcomes. Just because what he did may easily violate TSSAA's rules doesn't in turn mean the same applies to the NCAA. The TSSAA was looking at it from the perspective of playing high school games. The NCAA for playing college games. They are barely comparable if at all.
As far as I'm concerned the NCAA is completely at fault for this situation. They were the ones that cleared him to play despite, if I remember correctly, knowing what was done since Penny told them upfront. They were the ones that then gave that half-assed response of "likely ineligible". Either he's eligible or he isn't. And why did it take so long to even get to that vague response?
Just like with Rose all of this crap could have been avoided if they made the decision before the season started. And if they couldn't do it by then, then put them on hold from playing until you can properly determine if they are good to go. And that decision should have a time limit so they can't drag things out like they tend to do. Waiting till after they start playing and then saying they are/"might be" ineligible is just one of the many reasons why the NCAA's procedures are terrible.
(09-30-2022 04:09 AM)Alanda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 01:14 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 12:45 AM)Alanda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 12:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2022 08:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]He was a victim of NCAA corruption.
All that is in the past, I suspect he is going to have his break out season in the NBA.
Best of luck to him.
HOW in hell was he a victim?
EVERY player who got extra benefits got basically the same penalty.
Sit out 9 games and present a plan to pay back extra benefit before his eligibility ran out.
Didn't have to physically pay back a red cent before he returned to the court.
Only difference in his was he had to sit additional game for each game he played.
Because there shouldn't have been a problem with his "extra benefits".
Regardless of why he given the extra benefits, coach knew that as a booster he wasn't supposed to give the family money. Luckily for us the IARP went out of their way to rationalize the gift of the money. So we got slap on wrist.
The TSSAA looked at same events without trying to rationalize why it happened. And Easy High was slapped with major penalties.
That doesn't make sense because he wasn't the coach of the university at the time and was not pushing players to go to Memphis along with the help he gave. If Wiseman went to Kentucky or anywhere else this situation with the NCAA never happens. I honestly doubt he even thought about the booster angle since he was so used to helping people for such a long time on top of what I just mentioned. Worst case he was intentionally skirting rules to get the best player he could to go to East. And that sill has nothing to do with the university or NCAA.
The TSSAA and NCAA are going to have different bylaws which can lead to different outcomes. Just because what he did may easily violate TSSAA's rules doesn't in turn mean the same applies to the NCAA. The TSSAA was looking at it from the perspective of playing high school games. The NCAA for playing college games. They are barely comparable if at all.
As far as I'm concerned the NCAA is completely at fault for this situation. They were the ones that cleared him to play despite, if I remember correctly, knowing what was done since Penny told them upfront. They were the ones that then gave that half-assed response of "likely ineligible". Either he's eligible or he isn't. And why did it take so long to even get to that vague response?
Just like with Rose all of this crap could have been avoided if they made the decision before the season started. And if they couldn't do it by then, then put them on hold from playing until you can properly determine if they are good to go. And that decision should have a time limit so they can't drag things out like they tend to do. Waiting till after they start playing and then saying they are/"might be" ineligible is just one of the many reasons why the NCAA's procedures are terrible.
“Likely ineligible “ was a trap. We walked into it and got away with it. For the most part.
Wiseman WAS and IS a fine young man who got caught up in an unfortunate tussle with the NCAA combined with the goofy lost COVID season.
These are two different sets of rules.
What the IARP correctly recognized is that Penny had done similar things for dozens of other families who had no professional athletic futures, he was doing it to help families not to get them to go to the University of Memphis to play basketball.
If you believe that Penny paid Wiseman’s expenses to move to Memphis so that Wiseman would choose the Tigers as his college team you are the dumbest person on Earth.
(09-30-2022 12:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2022 08:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]He was a victim of NCAA corruption.
All that is in the past, I suspect he is going to have his break out season in the NBA.
Best of luck to him.
HOW in hell was he a victim?
EVERY player who got extra benefits got basically the same penalty.
Sit out 9 games and present a plan to pay back extra benefit before his eligibility ran out.
Didn't have to physically pay back a red cent before he returned to the court.
Only difference in his was he had to sit additional game for each game he played.
What an unbelievably stupid post.
I'll let others point out the obvious.
I hope he has a great career and life.
I wish the same for all of you as well.
(09-29-2022 05:05 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2022 10:54 AM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 04:13 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 12:48 PM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]quitter.
More games he'd of played, more games taken away.
Penalty probably would've been more severe as well as the optics and discussions throughout that year either been fiasco level.
The season ended with no tourney anyways (pandemic) so having him and Precious ball out together for the season only to have the tourney a no go would've been brutal.
Why do you keep posting these political stupidities without responding to any of the posts?
Political??
Explain the political aspect of said posts..
Yeah, you're NEVER political. Your sig takes up more than a full page of politics every time you post. I couldn't even get it in a single screenshot. By default everything you post is political.
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(09-29-2022 07:10 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 02:51 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 02:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 12:32 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: [ -> ]I still do NOT think he made the right decision, and I think it's hampered his pro career. I think he's probably a fine young man. I'm fine with him being recognized if he's in the crowd for a game. But he only played 3 games so, meh.
He got injured what if he had got injured here and was never drafted ?
The same risk and concern that every for sure one and done player has taken on since the rule changed... And it would have had to have been an injury that completely ended his sports career to stop him from being drafted which is extremely rare.
Easy for you to say. He’s risking millions, more than most people will ever see. He would have missed 12 games. It’s a no brainer. And, as it happened, the tournament was lost to Covid. He truly was a “wiseman”. Pun intended.
I do not understand this response either? What is easy for me to say? I did not make a statement or provide an opinion on what Wiseman did, I simply responded about his risk level being the same as every other NBA prospect.
It’s very easy for someone to say his risk level is “extremely rare”. Yeah, it’s no big deal. Risk your fortune even though you’re going to miss over half the season and have been totally dicked around by the system. I don’t blame him at all. He wouldn’t have played college basketball if he could have went to the NBA out of high school.
(09-29-2022 05:05 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2022 10:54 AM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 04:13 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2022 12:48 PM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]quitter.
More games he'd of played, more games taken away.
Penalty probably would've been more severe as well as the optics and discussions throughout that year either been fiasco level.
The season ended with no tourney anyways (pandemic) so having him and Precious ball out together for the season only to have the tourney a no go would've been brutal.
Why do you keep posting these political stupidities without responding to any of the posts?
Political??
Explain the political aspect of said posts..
Oh geez! It's become so normal to you that you don't even see it.
Great!
Wiseman had 20 points and 8 boards in pre-season game last night.
Hope he stays healthy
(09-30-2022 09:41 AM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 07:30 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Wiseman WAS and IS a fine young man who got caught up in an unfortunate tussle with the NCAA combined with the goofy lost COVID season.
Do you know him
I do not, but I do know folks who are familiar with him. Never heard a negative comment about the young man.
(09-30-2022 03:47 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 09:41 AM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 07:30 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Wiseman WAS and IS a fine young man who got caught up in an unfortunate tussle with the NCAA combined with the goofy lost COVID season.
Do you know him
I do not, but I do know folks who are familiar with him. Never heard a negative comment about the young man.
Same. I’ve met him, but don’t know him personally. I’ve only heard good things about him. He got screwed by the system. One that now allows kids to get paid through NIL. After getting the 12 game suspension, I don’t blame him at all for moving on to NBA prep.
(09-30-2022 06:43 AM)holyterror Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 04:09 AM)Alanda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 01:14 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 12:45 AM)Alanda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2022 12:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ]HOW in hell was he a victim?
EVERY player who got extra benefits got basically the same penalty.
Sit out 9 games and present a plan to pay back extra benefit before his eligibility ran out.
Didn't have to physically pay back a red cent before he returned to the court.
Only difference in his was he had to sit additional game for each game he played.
Because there shouldn't have been a problem with his "extra benefits".
Regardless of why he given the extra benefits, coach knew that as a booster he wasn't supposed to give the family money. Luckily for us the IARP went out of their way to rationalize the gift of the money. So we got slap on wrist.
The TSSAA looked at same events without trying to rationalize why it happened. And Easy High was slapped with major penalties.
That doesn't make sense because he wasn't the coach of the university at the time and was not pushing players to go to Memphis along with the help he gave. If Wiseman went to Kentucky or anywhere else this situation with the NCAA never happens. I honestly doubt he even thought about the booster angle since he was so used to helping people for such a long time on top of what I just mentioned. Worst case he was intentionally skirting rules to get the best player he could to go to East. And that sill has nothing to do with the university or NCAA.
The TSSAA and NCAA are going to have different bylaws which can lead to different outcomes. Just because what he did may easily violate TSSAA's rules doesn't in turn mean the same applies to the NCAA. The TSSAA was looking at it from the perspective of playing high school games. The NCAA for playing college games. They are barely comparable if at all.
As far as I'm concerned the NCAA is completely at fault for this situation. They were the ones that cleared him to play despite, if I remember correctly, knowing what was done since Penny told them upfront. They were the ones that then gave that half-assed response of "likely ineligible". Either he's eligible or he isn't. And why did it take so long to even get to that vague response?
Just like with Rose all of this crap could have been avoided if they made the decision before the season started. And if they couldn't do it by then, then put them on hold from playing until you can properly determine if they are good to go. And that decision should have a time limit so they can't drag things out like they tend to do. Waiting till after they start playing and then saying they are/"might be" ineligible is just one of the many reasons why the NCAA's procedures are terrible.
“Likely ineligible “ was a trap. We walked into it and got away with it. For the most part.
Yeah a shady trap. I'm just glad the IARP saw things the right way. Though I think their punishment was still more than what it should have been.
(09-30-2022 09:47 AM)Claw Wrote: [ -> ]I hope he has a great career and life.
I wish the same for all of you as well.
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