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(09-24-2022 08:21 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: [ -> ]Burn the uni's

Oh no. Don't. Stop.

(09-24-2022 08:10 PM)tribetime10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 06:52 PM)Sitting bull Wrote: [ -> ]Gate was 10,803. That is the largest non HC crowd at Zable since the 2013 Family weekend crowd against Georgia State (11,125).

Did it feel full in person? The crowd looked pretty sparse on the stream.

It felt full. The crowd helped with an Elon false start on 3rd down in the 4th.

Agree with losing the grey uniforms forever. Can we just go back to the classic look we had during the Laycock years (86-94). Get that for a throwback uni game. Much better than the Under Armour stuff we wear now.

(09-24-2022 09:18 PM)zablenoise Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 08:21 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: [ -> ]Burn the uni's

Oh no. Don't. Stop.

Players LOVE the gray uniform but may be hesitant to wear them again given the game outcome. I’m an old guy but I thought they looked good. I like the green and the white name/numbers really popped.


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(09-24-2022 11:28 AM)A Quest Called Tribe Wrote: [ -> ]Glad we’re finally honoring our Confederate heritage

(09-24-2022 02:43 PM)Rocco Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of the uniforms. Am a fan of scoring on the opening drive.

(09-24-2022 08:21 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: [ -> ]Burn the uni's

Definitely burn those uniforms! I hated them when first shown on the tweet and I hated them in person today. Also, yes, keep scoring on the opening drive. Elon did us a favor by deferring. We are 4-4 scoring on the first drive.

(09-24-2022 03:14 PM)billymac Wrote: [ -> ]Defensive line is going to have to dig down. They are being moved on every play.

They were also being held on practically every play, especially in the 4th quarter. There was an egregious hold (not called, naturally) on that big third down completion when Elon was driving to take the lead.

(09-24-2022 03:32 PM)A Quest Called Tribe Wrote: [ -> ]Rumors of Elon fans traveling to this game have been greatly exaggerated

Yeah, I don't know where they (I don't remember who "they" was) got their info about Elon buying two whole sections of tickets. Their seats were less than 10% full. Maybe they were all in the beer garden? I will give them credit for being loud at the end. Also gotta give our student section credit for loud cheers and staying involved in the game.

(09-24-2022 04:57 PM)mrjoolius Wrote: [ -> ]Can't let those punts go. Gotta field them

Maybe we need someone besides Newton back there. That second punt downed inside the 1 yard line was a killer!!

(09-24-2022 06:47 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote: [ -> ]Elon should have been running the deep routes all game long. We only "stopped" them when their WR failed to make catches. Give credit to our guys for being there in coverage, but it's not hard to imagine our regular starters turning some of those into INTs. The corners were definitely overmatched with all the injuries we had. ...It seemed like their OL got away with an awful lot of holding because the refs only called holding when it was happening at the ball. Passing instead of running on our second to last drive is a difficult decision

Our pass coverage was totally atrocious! I don't think that I have ever seen it so bad. I was yelling the entire game for the DBs to "look for the ball". Who taught these guys how to cover? You gotta look for the ball. Or, at least, when the receiver turns to look for it then you turn and intercept it. Also, I know I heard Ryan Poole's name once. Did he really play? How long was he out there? We sure as heck could have used Jalen Jones today.

The refs stunk. I was pointing out to the people near me (as early as the 2nd quarter) how when the Tribe had the ball nearly every spot was moved back a yard...nearly every play. In the 4th quarter, I thought that Elon was getting generous spots.

Where was Lester? Is that guy ever going to play for us again?

I have railed for years now about how replays are never shown when you need them (they never showed a replay of the late play where they ruled it an illegal forward pass...I would have liked to see video confirmation of that). Anyway, so today those geniuses in charge of replay actually played one when they shouldn't have. It looked like our receiver fumbled the ball but the refs ruled it an incompletion. However, the Tribe was super slow getting set for the next play and so the replay guy re-showed that play. It sure looked like a fumble (he caught it and turned to run, which makes it a "football move" in my book) and, naturally, the refs decided to review it. The amazing thing is that they ruled that "the play stands".

I wouldn't be shocked if we see this team again this year. If so, based on today's result, it will probably be at their place.

Crowd was great. Missed some students, but other than that.

Game got really chippy. Eff Elon.

I would look at giving someone else a shot at PR. Notes has the #2 as a player who has been injured. Maybe give Mayo a shot?

Have no idea why we don’t get the ball to Pitts more. Seems Darius runs outside the pocket and doesn’t look for mid-range passes. Pitts was open all game. But, Darius is the best complete QB we’ve had since Archer so I’ll leave the decisions up to him.

I’m disappointed but not depressed about the game. Terrible mistakes and questionable decision-making but we’ll be 4-1 next week.

Helluva kick by Chang. Whitehurst looked good. Kick coverage was solid. ST performed well other than PR.

Ticket link showed 2 whole visitor sections sold. It also showed our 300 level GA sections sold but not everyone showed.

Coach identified the same core issues. Mirrors what we said.

https://youtu.be/deA4oGDj27A


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(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]they never showed a replay of the late play where they ruled it an illegal forward pass...I would have liked to see video confirmation of that

I know it's not the same as getting to see it yourself but I can confirm from the broadcast it was a forward pass. Probably about 3 yards forward. There was no need to go forwards with it but I imagine it was hard to do at game speed.

(09-25-2022 08:17 AM)zablenoise Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]they never showed a replay of the late play where they ruled it an illegal forward pass...I would have liked to see video confirmation of that

I know it's not the same as getting to see it yourself but I can confirm from the broadcast it was a forward pass. Probably about 3 yards forward. There was no need to go forwards with it but I imagine it was hard to do at game speed.

Thanks. Yeah, I figured that it was a forward pass because the Tribe didn't complain at all when the call was made...but I like to see timely replays for confirmation. I saw the play live but did not notice that the lateral was actually a forward pass. Too bad, because the play netted about half the yards W&M needed to get to the end zone. Wilson could have thrown into the end zone from that spot on the last play.

(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I know I heard Ryan Poole's name once. Did he really play? How long was he out there? We sure as heck could have used Jalen Jones today.

I happened to be looking right at John Pius - that play was right in front of me - on that snap. He made a great play (TFL) and the announcer said the tackle was made by…#6 Ryan Poole, who was on the bench, not dressed for the game.

And yes, we could have used Jalen Jones (and Ryan Poole and a few others) out there.

(09-25-2022 08:23 AM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2022 08:17 AM)zablenoise Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]they never showed a replay of the late play where they ruled it an illegal forward pass...I would have liked to see video confirmation of that

I know it's not the same as getting to see it yourself but I can confirm from the broadcast it was a forward pass. Probably about 3 yards forward. There was no need to go forwards with it but I imagine it was hard to do at game speed.

Thanks. Yeah, I figured that it was a forward pass because the Tribe didn't complain at all when the call was made...but I like to see timely replays for confirmation. I saw the play live but did not notice that the lateral was actually a forward pass. Too bad, because the play netted about half the yards W&M needed to get to the end zone. Wilson could have thrown into the end zone from that spot on the last play.

My kids like to do high fives to the players at the end of the game, so I’m always having to follow from that weird corner via the video board to see the end of the game.

They definitely showed a replay.


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(09-25-2022 09:36 AM)ScottyB757 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I know I heard Ryan Poole's name once. Did he really play? How long was he out there? We sure as heck could have used Jalen Jones today.

I happened to be looking right at John Pius - that play was right in front of me - on that snap. He made a great play (TFL) and the announcer said the tackle was made by…#6 Ryan Poole, who was on the bench, not dressed for the game.

And yes, we could have used Jalen Jones (and Ryan Poole and a few others) out there.

We are getting a few back, next week, including Poole.
So, we've got THAT goin' for us, which is nice...

(09-25-2022 11:41 AM)billymac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2022 09:36 AM)ScottyB757 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I know I heard Ryan Poole's name once. Did he really play? How long was he out there? We sure as heck could have used Jalen Jones today.

I happened to be looking right at John Pius - that play was right in front of me - on that snap. He made a great play (TFL) and the announcer said the tackle was made by…#6 Ryan Poole, who was on the bench, not dressed for the game.

And yes, we could have used Jalen Jones (and Ryan Poole and a few others) out there.

We are getting a few back, next week, including Poole.
So, we've got THAT goin' for us, which is nice...

Both Poole and Freeland who have been out are not only key to pass coverage but to run defense. With the two most talented CBs out and a very tough run safety in Freeland out it was easy to see the shortcomings in coverage but it is equally glaring on 10 yard runs that are max 5 yard runs with top personnel in the game. Most of their yardage were 'bounced' runs where original holes were plugged (especially from 2nd quarter on) and no run support was present until yard 15 or so. Each phase of defense is for 11 men. McKay rushed every throw because of the fear of our pass rush except for the sideline throws. They are merely a spot pass for the receiver to run under. Our normal starters make those plays.
Not too concerned with the offense either because they will fix the fumble bug and that was our main undoing. Long season. I just hope this game doesn't come back to bite us.

0 sacks but good number of TFL. 3 of our top 4 tacklers were secondary players. Secondary covered pretty well for 0-4 seconds but the front 7 couldn’t get to McKay…can’t expect our DBs to cover for more than a few seconds. McKay actually had a poor passing outing, for him, but our run defense was awful.

(09-25-2022 08:23 AM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2022 08:17 AM)zablenoise Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]they never showed a replay of the late play where they ruled it an illegal forward pass...I would have liked to see video confirmation of that

I know it's not the same as getting to see it yourself but I can confirm from the broadcast it was a forward pass. Probably about 3 yards forward. There was no need to go forwards with it but I imagine it was hard to do at game speed.

Thanks. Yeah, I figured that it was a forward pass because the Tribe didn't complain at all when the call was made...but I like to see timely replays for confirmation. I saw the play live but did not notice that the lateral was actually a forward pass. Too bad, because the play netted about half the yards W&M needed to get to the end zone. Wilson could have thrown into the end zone from that spot on the last play.

It was right in front of me, and everyone I was watching with all immediately thought it was a forward lateral. We were surprised it took so long for the flag to come out.

w/r/t the CBs not turning their heads, it's hard to do when you're sprinting to keep up. If they turned their heads to find the ball I think some of the drops would have been easier catches because there would be more separation. As it was, all we had going for us was being right on top of them and maybe getting in the way. No slight to the second team though. There's a reason they're second team and hopefully this makes them better when our current starters graduate. While it's nice to hope that injury replacements would be "next man up" without missing a beat, it's rarely the case for any team.

Lester, Jones, Freeland, Poole, and others were all in attendance on the sidelines. Usually the guys wearing jerseys and sweats are walkons and scout team, yesterday they were what seemed to be half a team of starters.

(09-25-2022 09:36 AM)ScottyB757 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2022 11:00 PM)Zorch Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I know I heard Ryan Poole's name once. Did he really play? How long was he out there? We sure as heck could have used Jalen Jones today.

I happened to be looking right at John Pius - that play was right in front of me - on that snap. He made a great play (TFL) and the announcer said the tackle was made by…#6 Ryan Poole, who was on the bench, not dressed for the game.

And yes, we could have used Jalen Jones (and Ryan Poole and a few others) out there.

To be fair to the announcer, Pius' jersey looked like a lot of different numbers yesterday. There were many times I thought his 8 was a 0 or a 9; 6 isn't a huge stretch. But I would think the announcer would have a list of who was out for the day to avoid that kind of thing.

Not to pile on, but he also mispronounced names. Staib is pronounced stibe, rhymes with tribe. Something about Germans dropping the first vowel. I don’t think, in the heat of the moment, any of it is a big deal. And yes, I thought Bessant lost 100 lbs because Pius’ number looked like a 0.

(09-24-2022 06:47 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote: [ -> ]Elon should have been running the deep routes all game long. We only "stopped" them when their WR failed to make catches. Give credit to our guys for being there in coverage, but it's not hard to imagine our regular starters turning some of those into INTs. The corners were definitely overmatched with all the injuries we had. That said, we played well enough to win that game even down all the key players that are injured. Bad fumble and referee luck was the reason it was a close loss instead of a comfortable win. It seemed like their OL got away with an awful lot of holding because the refs only called holding when it was happening at the ball. Passing instead of running on our second to last drive is a difficult decision because there's gonna be a lot of posts here about not going the safe route. I wish Darius had tucked it on that 3rd down, I think he could have picked up a first down with his legs.

w/r/t attendance, when I came back to my seat from a concession run in the 1st half, the home side looked pretty full, even despite the beer tent being well populated. My impression is that we're selling out our standing room only tickets to people going into the beer tent.

If the Refs were missing holds all day was London “reminding” them?

(09-25-2022 02:55 PM)Tribal Wrote: [ -> ]0 sacks but good number of TFL. 3 of our top 4 tacklers were secondary players. Secondary covered pretty well for 0-4 seconds but the front 7 couldn’t get to McKay…can’t expect our DBs to cover for more than a few seconds. McKay actually had a poor passing outing, for him, but our run defense was awful.

There were very few drop backs completed that got past 2 seconds before the ball was in the air. ALL of the longest passes were that way. Just a ball thrown to a spot and a receiver beating a DB to it. One touchdown under scramble took awhile and was good coverage but broke down because of time. Elon used max protection (tightend and rb staying in to block) and that’s simply to stop pressure. Everyone else on our schedule will too. 7 blockers against 3 or 4 pass rushers will keep even top pass rushers like pius and Lynn off the qb for 2 seconds or more. We have to be able to cover 3 or 4 receivers tops with 7 defenders.