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(09-12-2022 06:42 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]ACC:
Duke (10)
Notre Dame (18)
Virginia (25/3)
North Carolina (29/5)
Wake Forest (29)
Boston College (36)
Georgia Tech (44/15)
Florida State (55/19)
Miami (55)
Syracuse (62)
Pittsburgh (62/23)
Virginia Tech (62/23)
NC State (72/29)
Clemson (77/31)
Louisville (182/91)
SEC:
Vanderbilt (13)
Florida (29/5)
Texas (38/10)
Georgia (49/16)
Texas A&M (67/26)
Auburn (97/26)
South Carolina (115/53)
Tennessee (115/53)
Missouri (121/56)
Oklahoma (127/61)
Alabama (137/64)
Kentucky (137/64)
Mississippi (151/72)
LSU (176/87)
Arkansas (176/87)
Mississippi State (194/100)
Pac "10"
Stanford (3)
California Berkeley (20/1)
Washington (55/19)
Colorado (97/26)
Arizona (105/48)
Oregon (105/48)
Utah (105/48)
Arizona State (121/56)
Oregon State (151/72)
Washington State (212/107)
Big 12:
Baylor (77)
Brigham Young (89)
Texas Christian (89)
Kansas (121/56)
Iowa State (127/61)
Central Florida (137/64)
Cincinnati (151/72)
Kansas State (166/83)
Oklahoma State (182/91)
Houston (182/91)
Texas Tech (219/112)
West Virginia (234/118)
Big East:
Georgetown (22)
Villanova (51)
Connecticut (67/26)
Marquette (83)
Creighton (115)
DePaul (137)
Seton Hall (137)
St. John's (166)
Xavier (166)
Butler (Midwest #1)
Providence (North #1)
This is one ranking in which the ACC does very well.
WVU’s ranked at #234. Do people still want WVU?
Rice is #15 and SMU is #72.
Expand to Texas
(09-12-2022 12:12 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ]Rice is #15 and SMU is #72.
Expand to Texas
Not with those football boat anchors!
(09-12-2022 12:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2022 12:12 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ]Rice is #15 and SMU is #72.
Expand to Texas
Not with those football boat anchors!
Baylor (77) and Texas Christian (89) would be better picks.
Here is the list of the ACC targets in EST zone.
UConn - 67
USF - 97
UCF - 137
Cincy - 151
WVU - 234
Interestingly, the football brand is almost exactly reverse of the USnews ranking. I see why XLance likes UCF. It got an on campus stadium, which can be expanded, and a decent academic ranking, which is much better than I thought. On the other hand, WVU, another XLance’s pick, is just way too behind in terms of academics to get an invitation.
(09-13-2022 12:01 PM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the list of the ACC targets in EST zone.
UConn - 67
USF - 97
UCF - 137
Cincy - 151
WVU - 234
Interestingly, the football brand is almost exactly reverse of the USnews ranking. I see why XLance likes UCF. It got an on campus stadium, which can be expanded, and a decent academic ranking, which is much better than I thought. On the other hand, WVU, another XLance’s pick, is just way too behind in terms of academics to get an invitation.
Cincinnati and UCF would be acceptable as long as FSU and Miami can live with it.
(09-13-2022 12:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 12:01 PM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the list of the ACC targets in EST zone.
UConn - 67
USF - 97
UCF - 137
Cincy - 151
WVU - 234
Interestingly, the football brand is almost exactly reverse of the USnews ranking. I see why XLance likes UCF. It got an on campus stadium, which can be expanded, and a decent academic ranking, which is much better than I thought. On the other hand, WVU, another XLance’s pick, is just way too behind in terms of academics to get an invitation.
Cincinnati and UCF would be acceptable as long as FSU and Miami can live with it.
The sure-fire way to get FSU on board (at least their fans) is tell them with UCF in the league Syracuse will get them as a permanent rival instead of the Noles.
Cheers,
Neil
(09-12-2022 07:18 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: 22_23_GEN_USNews_BestColleges.jpg?width=...uality=80%]](https://theacc.com/images/2022/9/12/22_23_GEN_USNews_BestColleges.jpg?width=1440&quality=80%)
And imagine what that 54.5 would be if the ACC took UConn (67) instead of Louisville (182).
(09-13-2022 01:27 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2022 07:18 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]
And imagine what that 54.5 would be if the ACC took UConn (67) instead of Louisville (182).
It might mean something if scholar bowls and debating contests were part of conference media contracts.
Otherwise, it is just banal conference fan chest pounding.
(09-13-2022 01:45 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:27 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2022 07:18 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]
And imagine what that 54.5 would be if the ACC took UConn (67) instead of Louisville (182).
It might mean something if scholar bowls and debating contests were part of conference media contracts.
Otherwise, it is just banal conference fan chest pounding.
^^^ THIS ^^^
I'd add that these rankings mean even less than media payouts (which are themselves way overrated, based on last weekend's football results).
(09-13-2022 01:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:45 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:27 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2022 07:18 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]
And imagine what that 54.5 would be if the ACC took UConn (67) instead of Louisville (182).
It might mean something if scholar bowls and debating contests were part of conference media contracts.
Otherwise, it is just banal conference fan chest pounding.
^^^ THIS ^^^
I'd add that these rankings mean even less than media payouts (which are themselves way overrated, based on last weekend's football results).
how does fsu jump 50 spots in just a few years ...
SUS
(09-13-2022 02:02 PM)green Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:45 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:27 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2022 07:18 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]
And imagine what that 54.5 would be if the ACC took UConn (67) instead of Louisville (182).
It might mean something if scholar bowls and debating contests were part of conference media contracts.
Otherwise, it is just banal conference fan chest pounding.
^^^ THIS ^^^
I'd add that these rankings mean even less than media payouts (which are themselves way overrated, based on last weekend's football results).
how does fsu jump 50 spots in just a few years ...
SUS
I'd say they learned how to play the game.
(09-14-2022 01:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:27 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2022 07:18 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]
And imagine what that 54.5 would be if the ACC took UConn (67) instead of Louisville (182).
46.9
It would be higher than that because Clemson and FSU would be gone, too.
(09-13-2022 01:45 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]It might mean something if scholar bowls and debating contests were part of conference media contracts.
Otherwise, it is just banal conference fan chest pounding.
It makes perfect sense that university presidents care about the academic company they keep. They know that a great many intercollegiate interactions and collaborations take place around sporting events. A lot more goes on during a football weekend than just a football game.
There's a bit more to the rankings as well. The difference between a #15 and #30 ranking by
US News means little, really. The difference between #15 and #315 likely signifies much more, though—especially when it happens year after year.
(09-14-2022 10:12 PM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:45 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]It might mean something if scholar bowls and debating contests were part of conference media contracts.
Otherwise, it is just banal conference fan chest pounding.
It makes perfect sense that university presidents care about the academic company they keep. They know that a great many intercollegiate interactions and collaborations take place around sporting events. A lot more goes on during a football weekend than just a football game.
There's a bit more to the rankings as well. The difference between a #15 and #30 ranking by US News means little, really. The difference between #15 and #315 likely signifies much more, though—especially when it happens year after year.
While its true college presidents like their schools to be associated with others of prestige, for perception purposes, intercollegiate academic collaborations never happen as a result of football games.
Intercollegiate academic collaborations are born of relationships made by individual faculty members during the years in training or through interactions at discipline-specific academic conferences, symposiums, study sections, or some other academic-related endeavor. Collaborations don't occur because a particular school's teams play in certain athletics conferences or because they schedule each other in football. When FSU plays NC State, there aren't joint NCSU-FSU academic symposium occurring on either campus those weekends.
Collaborations occur because there is some useful synergy of expertise or resources at the individual faculty research-project level. Athletic contests don't conjure those out of thin air.
The only things that the ACC does to foster any of this is the ACCAC undergrad research conference where some faculty able to interact because their students are attending (and this is a unique activity to the ACC), or things like ACCerlerate festival at the Smithsonian. These are things where a handful of individual faculty members can gather and discuss their research and could lead to connections between academic faculty. No conference does more of this than the ACC, to the credit of the people running the ACCAC, but it doesn't happen at athletic contests and, what is done by the ACCAC or things like the BigTen consortium, are really very minor compared to discipline-specific professional societies putting on their own events.
(09-14-2022 10:51 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2022 10:12 PM)Gitanole Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2022 01:45 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote: [ -> ]It might mean something if scholar bowls and debating contests were part of conference media contracts.
Otherwise, it is just banal conference fan chest pounding.
It makes perfect sense that university presidents care about the academic company they keep. They know that a great many intercollegiate interactions and collaborations take place around sporting events. A lot more goes on during a football weekend than just a football game.
There's a bit more to the rankings as well. The difference between a #15 and #30 ranking by US News means little, really. The difference between #15 and #315 likely signifies much more, though—especially when it happens year after year.
While its true college presidents like their schools to be associated with others of prestige, for perception purposes, intercollegiate academic collaborations never happen as a result of football games.
Intercollegiate academic collaborations are born of relationships made by individual faculty members during the years in training or through interactions at discipline-specific academic conferences, symposiums, study sections, or some other academic-related endeavor.
....
A variety of interactions take place, as I mentioned. Clubs and social societies have get-togethers and seed new chapters. Bands rehearse and socialise. Undergrads start thinking about where they will go to grad school. Grad students take the opportunity to visit a different campus library. Conversations begin. And conversations go many places.
University communities are complex social systems.
If your job is to see that your students get the best experience you can provide them, and you have a choice about sports partners, you'll choose partners who help your institution meet a number of goals as well as advance your athletic goals. When you do get a choice.
And if you're a university president, that is your job.