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The ACC is working on creative ways to develop new revenue streams.
This could be the ACC's suggestion to replace the ACC/Big Ten Challenge
"From 1970-80, the ACC’s four North Carolina schools did just that. Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Wake Forest competed in the Big Four tournament over two nights at Greensboro Coliseum, with the opening-round matchups rotating annually and the results not counting in the conference standings.
Carolina and Duke met eight times in those 11 Big Four events.
But why stop there? If ESPN has the air time and can sell the product, why not stage four mini-ACC tournaments in November or December? With 15 teams, the math doesn’t quite work, but there’s a solution.
In addition to the Big Four in Greensboro, send former Big East rivals Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Notre Dame to Madison Square Garden. The southern flank of Miami, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could gather in Atlanta or Miami.
That leaves Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville in need of a fourth to play, perhaps in Washington. So invite former ACC member Maryland to the four-team tournament."
Just create the ACC/SEC challenge....we already play 20 conference games.
(09-08-2022 07:22 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote: [ -> ]Just create the ACC/SEC challenge....we already play 20 conference games.
UK versus Duke or UNC would draw lots of eyeballs but would the other games with SEC teams matter. Even a matchup like U.Va versus Tennessee might not get many viewers. Apart from UK, the SEC isn't perceived as being as good in hoops as some SEC schools are.
When you said "Teel's trial balloon", I thought of the Miami to join ACC trial balloon of 2003.
So I was thinking they were coming up with a settlement for those wanting to get out of the GoR.
Fortunately that's not the case.
(09-08-2022 08:10 AM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 07:22 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote: [ -> ]Just create the ACC/SEC challenge....we already play 20 conference games.
UK versus Duke or UNC would draw lots of eyeballs but would the other games with SEC teams matter. Even a matchup like U.Va versus Tennessee might not get many viewers. Apart from UK, the SEC isn't perceived as being as good in hoops as some SEC schools are.
Doesnt matter....ESPN owns the SEC and the ACC.
And how I will miss those Nebraska vs Clemson matchups.
The real Christmas Tournament was the Dixie Classic.
You can't use the name today of course. The Big 4 versus two top 10 programs and two middling programs.
(09-08-2022 07:08 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]https://statesville.com/sports/college/d...cbe29.html
The ACC is working on creative ways to develop new revenue streams.
This could be the ACC's suggestion to replace the ACC/Big Ten Challenge
"From 1970-80, the ACC’s four North Carolina schools did just that. Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Wake Forest competed in the Big Four tournament over two nights at Greensboro Coliseum, with the opening-round matchups rotating annually and the results not counting in the conference standings.
Carolina and Duke met eight times in those 11 Big Four events.
But why stop there? If ESPN has the air time and can sell the product, why not stage four mini-ACC tournaments in November or December? With 15 teams, the math doesn’t quite work, but there’s a solution.
In addition to the Big Four in Greensboro, send former Big East rivals Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Notre Dame to Madison Square Garden. The southern flank of Miami, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could gather in Atlanta or Miami.
That leaves Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville in need of a fourth to play, perhaps in Washington. So invite former ACC member Maryland to the four-team tournament."
This would be a lot of fun as a preseason tip-off tournament sponsored by the ACC.
The "NC Big Four" and the "Former Big East" tournaments would both be great for TV. UVA/VT/UL/MD maybe as well. I'm not so sure about the Southern basketball teams - maybe they should be playing in an ACC/SEC Challenge? I'd watch Clemson/Georgia, FSU/Auburn, or Miami/Florida for sure (although the latter may be on the schedule already). GT/Tennessee would be fun in the Jackets ever get a legit MBB coach.
(09-08-2022 10:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 07:08 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]https://statesville.com/sports/college/d...cbe29.html
The ACC is working on creative ways to develop new revenue streams.
This could be the ACC's suggestion to replace the ACC/Big Ten Challenge
"From 1970-80, the ACC’s four North Carolina schools did just that. Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Wake Forest competed in the Big Four tournament over two nights at Greensboro Coliseum, with the opening-round matchups rotating annually and the results not counting in the conference standings.
Carolina and Duke met eight times in those 11 Big Four events.
But why stop there? If ESPN has the air time and can sell the product, why not stage four mini-ACC tournaments in November or December? With 15 teams, the math doesn’t quite work, but there’s a solution.
In addition to the Big Four in Greensboro, send former Big East rivals Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Notre Dame to Madison Square Garden. The southern flank of Miami, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could gather in Atlanta or Miami.
That leaves Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville in need of a fourth to play, perhaps in Washington. So invite former ACC member Maryland to the four-team tournament."
This would be a lot of fun as a preseason tip-off tournament sponsored by the ACC.
The "NC Big Four" and the "Former Big East" tournaments would both be great for TV. UVA/VT/UL/MD maybe as well. I'm not so sure about the Southern basketball teams - maybe they should be playing in an ACC/SEC Challenge? I'd watch Clemson/Georgia, FSU/Auburn, or Miami/Florida for sure (although the latter may be on the schedule already). GT/Tennessee would be fun in the Jackets ever get a legit MBB coach.
There are 4 satisfactory venues in NC - Greensboro, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Chapel Hill. The Big 4 could be sent to their natural home.
Then mix in
ACC - 2 (Clemson in Charlotte, UVa or VT in Greensboro)
ACC Rotating 1 (Syracuse, Louisville, Miami, FSU)
SEC -2 (Always one in Charlotte)
Big East - 1
Big 12 - 2
P10 - 1
True At Large - 3 (NC Central, Wofford, Richmond, Temple, etc., etc)
Call it the ACC Piedmont Invitational.
Everyone plays two games in the four sites, then 2 move on from each site.
Greensboro for example - WF/UVa/George Mason/Georgetown
Charlotte for example - Duke/Clemson/South Carolina/Wofford
Chapel Hill for example - UNC/Kansas/NC Central/Stanford
Raleigh for example - NC State/Syracuse/Houston/Texas
No Big 10.
(09-08-2022 10:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 07:08 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]https://statesville.com/sports/college/d...cbe29.html
The ACC is working on creative ways to develop new revenue streams.
This could be the ACC's suggestion to replace the ACC/Big Ten Challenge
"From 1970-80, the ACC’s four North Carolina schools did just that. Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Wake Forest competed in the Big Four tournament over two nights at Greensboro Coliseum, with the opening-round matchups rotating annually and the results not counting in the conference standings.
Carolina and Duke met eight times in those 11 Big Four events.
But why stop there? If ESPN has the air time and can sell the product, why not stage four mini-ACC tournaments in November or December? With 15 teams, the math doesn’t quite work, but there’s a solution.
In addition to the Big Four in Greensboro, send former Big East rivals Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Notre Dame to Madison Square Garden. The southern flank of Miami, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could gather in Atlanta or Miami.
That leaves Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville in need of a fourth to play, perhaps in Washington. So invite former ACC member Maryland to the four-team tournament."
This would be a lot of fun as a preseason tip-off tournament sponsored by the ACC.
The "NC Big Four" and the "Former Big East" tournaments would both be great for TV. UVA/VT/UL/MD maybe as well. I'm not so sure about the Southern basketball teams - maybe they should be playing in an ACC/SEC Challenge? I'd watch Clemson/Georgia, FSU/Auburn, or Miami/Florida for sure (although the latter may be on the schedule already). GT/Tennessee would be fun in the Jackets ever get a legit MBB coach.
I'll make a wild suggestion. Agree with the Big East, SEC and B12 for three 8 team tournaments each year, with half of each tournament being from the ACC and the other half being from one of the other conferences. It would be ACC-Big East in one tournament, ACC-SEC in another, and ACC-B12 in the third. The tournaments would rotate between the ACC area and the other conference's territory and teams would rotate among them. Possible locations would be MSG, Philly, DC, Greensboro, Charlotte, Atlanta, Tampa, Nashville, Louisville, Memphis, Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Kansas City, etc. The tournaments could be around Thanksgiving or Christmas.
If you want to be really daring, do these tournaments in February but, of course, that would require playing a lot of conference games before New Year's Day
(09-08-2022 10:31 AM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 10:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 07:08 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]https://statesville.com/sports/college/d...cbe29.html
The ACC is working on creative ways to develop new revenue streams.
This could be the ACC's suggestion to replace the ACC/Big Ten Challenge
"From 1970-80, the ACC’s four North Carolina schools did just that. Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Wake Forest competed in the Big Four tournament over two nights at Greensboro Coliseum, with the opening-round matchups rotating annually and the results not counting in the conference standings.
Carolina and Duke met eight times in those 11 Big Four events.
But why stop there? If ESPN has the air time and can sell the product, why not stage four mini-ACC tournaments in November or December? With 15 teams, the math doesn’t quite work, but there’s a solution.
In addition to the Big Four in Greensboro, send former Big East rivals Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Notre Dame to Madison Square Garden. The southern flank of Miami, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could gather in Atlanta or Miami.
That leaves Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville in need of a fourth to play, perhaps in Washington. So invite former ACC member Maryland to the four-team tournament."
This would be a lot of fun as a preseason tip-off tournament sponsored by the ACC.
The "NC Big Four" and the "Former Big East" tournaments would both be great for TV. UVA/VT/UL/MD maybe as well. I'm not so sure about the Southern basketball teams - maybe they should be playing in an ACC/SEC Challenge? I'd watch Clemson/Georgia, FSU/Auburn, or Miami/Florida for sure (although the latter may be on the schedule already). GT/Tennessee would be fun in the Jackets ever get a legit MBB coach.
I'll make a wild suggestion. Agree with the Big East, SEC and B12 for three 8 team tournaments each year, with half of each tournament being from the ACC and the other half being from one of the other conferences. It would be ACC-Big East in one tournament, ACC-SEC in another, and ACC-B12 in the third. The tournaments would rotate between the ACC area and the other conference's territory and teams would rotate among them. Possible locations would be MSG, Philly, DC, Greensboro, Charlotte, Atlanta, Tampa, Nashville, Louisville, Memphis, Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Kansas City, etc. The tournaments could be around Thanksgiving or Christmas.
If you want to be really daring, do these tournaments in February but, of course, that would require playing a lot of conference games before New Year's Day
The basketball schools need to give CBS an ultimatum about the Masters and use the Master week as a week off for Basketball - Basketball Season should not start until mid December and should go to the third week of April.
If, for example, UNC is playing in a tournament in Hawaii, ESPN pays the "owner" of the tournament for broadcast rights. If UNC is hosting a tournament, or even a single game, wouldn't ESPN already have the broadcast rights via the current media contract?
I don't know the legal side but if UNC were to play a game in Greensboro, could EPSN argue that it was a home game that UNC moved to circumvent the media contract?
(09-08-2022 10:34 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 10:31 AM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 10:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 07:08 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]https://statesville.com/sports/college/d...cbe29.html
The ACC is working on creative ways to develop new revenue streams.
This could be the ACC's suggestion to replace the ACC/Big Ten Challenge
"From 1970-80, the ACC’s four North Carolina schools did just that. Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Wake Forest competed in the Big Four tournament over two nights at Greensboro Coliseum, with the opening-round matchups rotating annually and the results not counting in the conference standings.
Carolina and Duke met eight times in those 11 Big Four events.
But why stop there? If ESPN has the air time and can sell the product, why not stage four mini-ACC tournaments in November or December? With 15 teams, the math doesn’t quite work, but there’s a solution.
In addition to the Big Four in Greensboro, send former Big East rivals Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Notre Dame to Madison Square Garden. The southern flank of Miami, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could gather in Atlanta or Miami.
That leaves Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville in need of a fourth to play, perhaps in Washington. So invite former ACC member Maryland to the four-team tournament."
This would be a lot of fun as a preseason tip-off tournament sponsored by the ACC.
The "NC Big Four" and the "Former Big East" tournaments would both be great for TV. UVA/VT/UL/MD maybe as well. I'm not so sure about the Southern basketball teams - maybe they should be playing in an ACC/SEC Challenge? I'd watch Clemson/Georgia, FSU/Auburn, or Miami/Florida for sure (although the latter may be on the schedule already). GT/Tennessee would be fun in the Jackets ever get a legit MBB coach.
I'll make a wild suggestion. Agree with the Big East, SEC and B12 for three 8 team tournaments each year, with half of each tournament being from the ACC and the other half being from one of the other conferences. It would be ACC-Big East in one tournament, ACC-SEC in another, and ACC-B12 in the third. The tournaments would rotate between the ACC area and the other conference's territory and teams would rotate among them. Possible locations would be MSG, Philly, DC, Greensboro, Charlotte, Atlanta, Tampa, Nashville, Louisville, Memphis, Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Kansas City, etc. The tournaments could be around Thanksgiving or Christmas.
If you want to be really daring, do these tournaments in February but, of course, that would require playing a lot of conference games before New Year's Day
The basketball schools need to give CBS an ultimatum about the Masters and use the Master week as a week off for Basketball - Basketball Season should not start until mid December and should go to the third week of April.
No, I'm sorry but if anyone is going to be giving ultimatums, it's the Masters, not CBB.
(09-08-2022 02:50 PM)Wolfman Wrote: [ -> ]If, for example, UNC is playing in a tournament in Hawaii, ESPN pays the "owner" of the tournament for broadcast rights. If UNC is hosting a tournament, or even a single game, wouldn't ESPN already have the broadcast rights via the current media contract?
I don't know the legal side but if UNC were to play a game in Greensboro, could EPSN argue that it was a home game that UNC moved to circumvent the media contract?
That's not how you negotiate. You go to ESPN and say "we're thinking of doing this - how much extra will you pay us if we do?"
(09-08-2022 03:24 PM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 10:34 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 10:31 AM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 10:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2022 07:08 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]https://statesville.com/sports/college/d...cbe29.html
The ACC is working on creative ways to develop new revenue streams.
This could be the ACC's suggestion to replace the ACC/Big Ten Challenge
"From 1970-80, the ACC’s four North Carolina schools did just that. Duke, UNC, N.C. State and Wake Forest competed in the Big Four tournament over two nights at Greensboro Coliseum, with the opening-round matchups rotating annually and the results not counting in the conference standings.
Carolina and Duke met eight times in those 11 Big Four events.
But why stop there? If ESPN has the air time and can sell the product, why not stage four mini-ACC tournaments in November or December? With 15 teams, the math doesn’t quite work, but there’s a solution.
In addition to the Big Four in Greensboro, send former Big East rivals Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Notre Dame to Madison Square Garden. The southern flank of Miami, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech could gather in Atlanta or Miami.
That leaves Virginia, Virginia Tech and Louisville in need of a fourth to play, perhaps in Washington. So invite former ACC member Maryland to the four-team tournament."
This would be a lot of fun as a preseason tip-off tournament sponsored by the ACC.
The "NC Big Four" and the "Former Big East" tournaments would both be great for TV. UVA/VT/UL/MD maybe as well. I'm not so sure about the Southern basketball teams - maybe they should be playing in an ACC/SEC Challenge? I'd watch Clemson/Georgia, FSU/Auburn, or Miami/Florida for sure (although the latter may be on the schedule already). GT/Tennessee would be fun in the Jackets ever get a legit MBB coach.
I'll make a wild suggestion. Agree with the Big East, SEC and B12 for three 8 team tournaments each year, with half of each tournament being from the ACC and the other half being from one of the other conferences. It would be ACC-Big East in one tournament, ACC-SEC in another, and ACC-B12 in the third. The tournaments would rotate between the ACC area and the other conference's territory and teams would rotate among them. Possible locations would be MSG, Philly, DC, Greensboro, Charlotte, Atlanta, Tampa, Nashville, Louisville, Memphis, Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Kansas City, etc. The tournaments could be around Thanksgiving or Christmas.
If you want to be really daring, do these tournaments in February but, of course, that would require playing a lot of conference games before New Year's Day
The basketball schools need to give CBS an ultimatum about the Masters and use the Master week as a week off for Basketball - Basketball Season should not start until mid December and should go to the third week of April.
No, I'm sorry but if anyone is going to be giving ultimatums, it's the Masters, not CBB.
No one said anything about moving the Masters - "use the Master week as a week off for Basketball". Are you saying the Masters cares if the NCAA tournament is not finished before them?
Round 1 - Third week in March - Teams 25-104 to cut the non bye field to 40
Round 2 - Fourth week in March - 40 winners join 24 first round byes
Round 3 - Fifth week in March (week before Masters) 64 cut to 16
Week Off - Masters Week
Round 4 - Second week in April Sweet 16
Round 5 - Third week in April Final 4
1. Get rid of November basketball games
2. Expand NCAA field to 104 and award 24 first round byes to 16 Conference champions and 8 at large.
3. Just avoid the Masters
4. Make money in April
If we need a 16th
Send ND to play the VA teams and UL
Invite UConn to play Cuse, Pitt and BC
So we can't call it the Dixie Classic. Call it the Longleaf Pine Invitational. Play it in Greensboro and make it a round robin 4 day event. The Big Four plus guests from the SEC, B12, PAC and Big East.
Personally I would rather see The ACC invite UCONN, Villanova or Georgetown instead of Maryland. Better basketball better over tournament
This is just a stupid idea....No point, no creativity.... I agree with above, just created the SEC/ACC challenge and don't over think this or make a stupid pivot to just more ACC games.....If you want to create a reason for UNC & Duke to play more...just schedule a weekly game with each other starting Thanksgiving week and go all the way thru to end of regular season....LOL
(09-09-2022 05:44 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]This is just a stupid idea....No point, no creativity.... I agree with above, just created the SEC/ACC challenge and don't over think this or make a stupid pivot to just more ACC games.....If you want to create a reason for UNC & Duke to play more...just schedule a weekly game with each other starting Thanksgiving week and go all the way thru to end of regular season....LOL
I think his point was that the ACC actually did this (a third game between UNC and Duke, NC State, and Wake Forest) during the formative years of the league - and it was really successful back then. This isn't a new idea, just bringing back an old one.