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This is Dennis Dodd’s educated guess:

SEC and Big Ten combine to get half the total, $600 million ($300 million each). That's an additional $16.7 million per year for each of those leagues' schools.

ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 (depending on membership) split 30% of the pot, $360 million ($120 million each). That's approximately $10 million more per year for those schools. Another consideration: Perhaps the ACC, given the strength of some of its programs, sits on a tier of its own earning a sum between the Power Two and the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Group of Five conferences split the remaining 20% of the pot, $240 million ($48 million each). That's an additional $3.9 million per year for each school in the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA11stL9

Seems about right. I cannot imagine the reaction on the main board if the ACC ends up with getting more than B12 and Pac.
Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Ooh, let's hope it happens...!
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(09-05-2022 10:03 AM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]This is Dennis Dodd’s educated guess:

SEC and Big Ten combine to get half the total, $600 million ($300 million each). That's an additional $16.7 million per year for each of those leagues' schools.

ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 (depending on membership) split 30% of the pot, $360 million ($120 million each). That's approximately $10 million more per year for those schools. Another consideration: Perhaps the ACC, given the strength of some of its programs, sits on a tier of its own earning a sum between the Power Two and the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Group of Five conferences split the remaining 20% of the pot, $240 million ($48 million each). That's an additional $3.9 million per year for each school in the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA11stL9

Seems about right. I cannot imagine the reaction on the main board if the ACC ends up with getting more than B12 and Pac.

This might be one way ESPN uses its influence to help out the ACC without it costing them anything directly.
(09-05-2022 11:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:03 AM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]This is Dennis Dodd’s educated guess:

SEC and Big Ten combine to get half the total, $600 million ($300 million each). That's an additional $16.7 million per year for each of those leagues' schools.

ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 (depending on membership) split 30% of the pot, $360 million ($120 million each). That's approximately $10 million more per year for those schools. Another consideration: Perhaps the ACC, given the strength of some of its programs, sits on a tier of its own earning a sum between the Power Two and the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Group of Five conferences split the remaining 20% of the pot, $240 million ($48 million each). That's an additional $3.9 million per year for each school in the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA11stL9

Seems about right. I cannot imagine the reaction on the main board if the ACC ends up with getting more than B12 and Pac.

This might be one way ESPN uses its influence to help out the ACC without it costing them anything directly.

Take Dodd's educated guess with a grain of salt.

If it's based on CFP performance, then the ACC should absolutely get more than the Big 12 and PAC. The Big12 lost their only CFP team and the PAC hasn't been to the CFP in quite a while.
(09-05-2022 11:05 AM)ren.hoek Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 11:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:03 AM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]This is Dennis Dodd’s educated guess:

SEC and Big Ten combine to get half the total, $600 million ($300 million each). That's an additional $16.7 million per year for each of those leagues' schools.

ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 (depending on membership) split 30% of the pot, $360 million ($120 million each). That's approximately $10 million more per year for those schools. Another consideration: Perhaps the ACC, given the strength of some of its programs, sits on a tier of its own earning a sum between the Power Two and the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Group of Five conferences split the remaining 20% of the pot, $240 million ($48 million each). That's an additional $3.9 million per year for each school in the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA11stL9

Seems about right. I cannot imagine the reaction on the main board if the ACC ends up with getting more than B12 and Pac.

This might be one way ESPN uses its influence to help out the ACC without it costing them anything directly.

Take Dodd's educated guess with a grain of salt.

If it's based on CFP performance, then the ACC should absolutely get more than the Big 12 and PAC. The Big12 lost their only CFP team and the PAC hasn't been to the CFP in quite a while.

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(09-05-2022 10:03 AM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]This is Dennis Dodd’s educated guess:

SEC and Big Ten combine to get half the total, $600 million ($300 million each). That's an additional $16.7 million per year for each of those leagues' schools.

ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 (depending on membership) split 30% of the pot, $360 million ($120 million each). That's approximately $10 million more per year for those schools. Another consideration: Perhaps the ACC, given the strength of some of its programs, sits on a tier of its own earning a sum between the Power Two and the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Group of Five conferences split the remaining 20% of the pot, $240 million ($48 million each). That's an additional $3.9 million per year for each school in the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA11stL9

Seems about right. I cannot imagine the reaction on the main board if the ACC ends up with getting more than B12 and Pac.

If you go back over the last decade and fill the 12 spots using the final CFP poll and taking into account who gets bumped regarding a G-5 spot and then subtract USC, and Oklahoma from the P12 and B12 and give their values to the B10 and SEC you get:

29% of spots to the SEC
18% of spots to the B10
13% of spots to the ACC
9% of spots to the P12
9% of sports to non P-5
8% of sports to the B12
5% of spots to Notre Dame

If you divide this into $600 million you get

$156 million for the SEC or $9.75 million per school

$108 million for the B10 or $6.75 million per school

$78 million for the ACC or $5.57 million per school

$54 million for the P12 or $5.4 million per school

$48 million for the B12 of $4 million per school

$5 million for ND for each appearance

A formula like this helps shows the value of Oklahoma and USC versus Texas and UCLA to the SEC and B10.
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.
(09-05-2022 02:16 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.

True but The Big 12 fan boys have been predicting the end of The ACC for the last 20 years. A bigger piece of the CFP pie would validate The ACC’s superiority over The Big 12.
(09-05-2022 02:16 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.

No, it DOES matter. Ask yourself how much better FSU would be if it only had the best players and coaches from the left-behind Big XII teams? Money does not win games - players and coaches do. Money is just a resource to help you get what you really need to win.

As long as you have enough money to compete, you don't have to be on equal footing (Alabama will never be equal to either Texas or Texas A&M in terms of money, yet look at their records).

I'm convinced that a clear 3rd ACC - with some additions to gain access to key recruiting fields and some rivalry games to pump up the fans - will always be able to compete with the P2. But it MUST be clearly ahead of the Big XII and Pac-12 - if you're competing with them, you're NOT competing with the SEC and Big Ten.

(Maybe that's a round-about way of saying I basically agree with except for one point?)
(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:16 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.

No, it DOES matter. Ask yourself how much better FSU would be if it only had the best players and coaches from the left-behind Big XII teams? Money does not win games - players and coaches do. Money is just a resource to help you get what you really need to win.

As long as you have enough money to compete, you don't have to be on equal footing (Alabama will never be equal to either Texas or Texas A&M in terms of money, yet look at their records).

I'm convinced that a clear 3rd ACC - with some additions to gain access to key recruiting fields and some rivalry games to pump up the fans - will always be able to compete with the P2. But it MUST be clearly ahead of the Big XII and Pac-12 - if you're competing with them, you're NOT competing with the SEC and Big Ten.

(Maybe that's a round-about way of saying I basically agree with except for one point?)

Means NOTHING. There is no battle for 3rd. There is only revenue that allows you to compete in the future....or not. If you have a $40 Million revenue gap. You will NOT compete.
(09-05-2022 03:52 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:16 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.

No, it DOES matter. Ask yourself how much better FSU would be if it only had the best players and coaches from the left-behind Big XII teams? Money does not win games - players and coaches do. Money is just a resource to help you get what you really need to win.

As long as you have enough money to compete, you don't have to be on equal footing (Alabama will never be equal to either Texas or Texas A&M in terms of money, yet look at their records).

I'm convinced that a clear 3rd ACC - with some additions to gain access to key recruiting fields and some rivalry games to pump up the fans - will always be able to compete with the P2. But it MUST be clearly ahead of the Big XII and Pac-12 - if you're competing with them, you're NOT competing with the SEC and Big Ten.

(Maybe that's a round-about way of saying I basically agree with except for one point?)

Means NOTHING. There is no battle for 3rd. There is only revenue that allows you to compete in the future....or not. If you have a $40 Million revenue gap. You will NOT compete.

What if it's only $30M? $20M? $10M? How close is close enough?
(09-05-2022 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 03:52 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:16 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.

No, it DOES matter. Ask yourself how much better FSU would be if it only had the best players and coaches from the left-behind Big XII teams? Money does not win games - players and coaches do. Money is just a resource to help you get what you really need to win.

As long as you have enough money to compete, you don't have to be on equal footing (Alabama will never be equal to either Texas or Texas A&M in terms of money, yet look at their records).

I'm convinced that a clear 3rd ACC - with some additions to gain access to key recruiting fields and some rivalry games to pump up the fans - will always be able to compete with the P2. But it MUST be clearly ahead of the Big XII and Pac-12 - if you're competing with them, you're NOT competing with the SEC and Big Ten.

(Maybe that's a round-about way of saying I basically agree with except for one point?)

Means NOTHING. There is no battle for 3rd. There is only revenue that allows you to compete in the future....or not. If you have a $40 Million revenue gap. You will NOT compete.

What if it's only $30M? $20M? $10M? How close is close enough?

IMHO $10 million revenue gap. Anymore and the GOR dies in 14 years. JMHO.
(09-05-2022 04:51 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 03:52 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:16 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.

No, it DOES matter. Ask yourself how much better FSU would be if it only had the best players and coaches from the left-behind Big XII teams? Money does not win games - players and coaches do. Money is just a resource to help you get what you really need to win.

As long as you have enough money to compete, you don't have to be on equal footing (Alabama will never be equal to either Texas or Texas A&M in terms of money, yet look at their records).

I'm convinced that a clear 3rd ACC - with some additions to gain access to key recruiting fields and some rivalry games to pump up the fans - will always be able to compete with the P2. But it MUST be clearly ahead of the Big XII and Pac-12 - if you're competing with them, you're NOT competing with the SEC and Big Ten.

(Maybe that's a round-about way of saying I basically agree with except for one point?)

Means NOTHING. There is no battle for 3rd. There is only revenue that allows you to compete in the future....or not. If you have a $40 Million revenue gap. You will NOT compete.

What if it's only $30M? $20M? $10M? How close is close enough?

IMHO $10 million revenue gap. Anymore and the GOR dies in 14 years. JMHO.

I knew your answer before I even looked.

Notre Dame is okay with a 20-25M difference but the Noles (in your mind at least, not necessarily the institution's stance - but could be) need it to be $10M.

To me, this says a lot more about your confidence in the Noles than it does the ACC. 01-wingedeagle

But, in reality, to me, IF I were a Noles fan my answer would have been I am not even sure a $20M difference between the SEC and ACC is even doable. But if it were I wouldn't be so adamant about going to the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil
(09-05-2022 05:05 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:51 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 03:52 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]No, it DOES matter. Ask yourself how much better FSU would be if it only had the best players and coaches from the left-behind Big XII teams? Money does not win games - players and coaches do. Money is just a resource to help you get what you really need to win.

As long as you have enough money to compete, you don't have to be on equal footing (Alabama will never be equal to either Texas or Texas A&M in terms of money, yet look at their records).

I'm convinced that a clear 3rd ACC - with some additions to gain access to key recruiting fields and some rivalry games to pump up the fans - will always be able to compete with the P2. But it MUST be clearly ahead of the Big XII and Pac-12 - if you're competing with them, you're NOT competing with the SEC and Big Ten.

(Maybe that's a round-about way of saying I basically agree with except for one point?)

Means NOTHING. There is no battle for 3rd. There is only revenue that allows you to compete in the future....or not. If you have a $40 Million revenue gap. You will NOT compete.

What if it's only $30M? $20M? $10M? How close is close enough?

IMHO $10 million revenue gap. Anymore and the GOR dies in 14 years. JMHO.

I knew your answer before I even looked.

Notre Dame is okay with a 20-25M difference but the Noles (in your mind at least, not necessarily the institution's stance - but could be) need it to be $10M.

To me, this says a lot more about your confidence in the Noles than it does the ACC. 01-wingedeagle

But, in reality, to me, IF I were a Noles fan my answer would have been I am not even sure a $20M difference between the SEC and ACC is even doable. But if it were I wouldn't be so adamant about going to the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Actually it is because ND has many MANY more wealthy alumni that can make up the revenue gaps. They have generational wealth FSU doesn't have. Simple as that.

Regardless, I don't see any conference keeping up with the P2. I mean Texas, USC, and OK gave into it. FSU doesn't have the $$$ of any of them.

Also, I doubt another GOR is every signed again without revenue assurances. Maybe not another at all.
(09-05-2022 05:18 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 05:05 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:51 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 03:52 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]Means NOTHING. There is no battle for 3rd. There is only revenue that allows you to compete in the future....or not. If you have a $40 Million revenue gap. You will NOT compete.

What if it's only $30M? $20M? $10M? How close is close enough?

IMHO $10 million revenue gap. Anymore and the GOR dies in 14 years. JMHO.

I knew your answer before I even looked.

Notre Dame is okay with a 20-25M difference but the Noles (in your mind at least, not necessarily the institution's stance - but could be) need it to be $10M.

To me, this says a lot more about your confidence in the Noles than it does the ACC. 01-wingedeagle

But, in reality, to me, IF I were a Noles fan my answer would have been I am not even sure a $20M difference between the SEC and ACC is even doable. But if it were I wouldn't be so adamant about going to the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Actually it is because ND has many MANY more wealthy alumni that can make up the revenue gaps. They have generational wealth FSU doesn't have. Simple as that.

Regardless, I don't see any conference keeping up with the P2. I mean Texas, USC, and OK gave into it. FSU doesn't have the $$$ of any of them.

Also, I doubt another GOR is every signed again without revenue assurances. Maybe not another at all.

Then by 2030 we will know the answer since my own belief is that even with SEC/B1G type money programs like USC and UCLA will be more like Wisconsin and Purdue than Ohio State and Texas and Oklahoma will perform more like LSU and Texas A&M than Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.

So by the time ND considers jumping to the B1G and FSU considers jumping to the SEC they will be lucky to be the 5th/6th best in those conferences.

But I have been known to be wrong before.

I can understand though an FSU fan wanting to play those blockbuster programs moreso than ACC opponents.

Cheers,
Neil
(09-05-2022 05:47 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 05:18 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 05:05 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:51 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]What if it's only $30M? $20M? $10M? How close is close enough?

IMHO $10 million revenue gap. Anymore and the GOR dies in 14 years. JMHO.

I knew your answer before I even looked.

Notre Dame is okay with a 20-25M difference but the Noles (in your mind at least, not necessarily the institution's stance - but could be) need it to be $10M.

To me, this says a lot more about your confidence in the Noles than it does the ACC. 01-wingedeagle

But, in reality, to me, IF I were a Noles fan my answer would have been I am not even sure a $20M difference between the SEC and ACC is even doable. But if it were I wouldn't be so adamant about going to the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Actually it is because ND has many MANY more wealthy alumni that can make up the revenue gaps. They have generational wealth FSU doesn't have. Simple as that.

Regardless, I don't see any conference keeping up with the P2. I mean Texas, USC, and OK gave into it. FSU doesn't have the $$$ of any of them.

Also, I doubt another GOR is every signed again without revenue assurances. Maybe not another at all.

Then by 2030 we will know the answer since my own belief is that even with SEC/B1G type money programs like USC and UCLA will be more like Wisconsin and Purdue than Ohio State and Texas and Oklahoma will perform more like LSU and Texas A&M than Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.

So by the time ND considers jumping to the B1G and FSU considers jumping to the SEC they will be lucky to be the 5th/6th best in those conferences.

But I have been known to be wrong before.

I can understand though an FSU fan wanting to play those blockbuster programs moreso than ACC opponents.

Cheers,
Neil

This issue isn't just about FSU. Start with that. But FSU would love to stay in the ACC...I don't doubt that.

But at the end of the day, it won't lock itself into $40 million revenue gaps....or $25 million revenue gaps. I don't think other schools will either. No leader can justify such a decision.

Schools like UT, OK, and USC....blue bloods made this choice. I doubt FSU or any other school can go against the logic. It would be suicide.
(09-05-2022 06:02 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 05:47 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 05:18 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 05:05 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 04:51 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]IMHO $10 million revenue gap. Anymore and the GOR dies in 14 years. JMHO.

I knew your answer before I even looked.

Notre Dame is okay with a 20-25M difference but the Noles (in your mind at least, not necessarily the institution's stance - but could be) need it to be $10M.

To me, this says a lot more about your confidence in the Noles than it does the ACC. 01-wingedeagle

But, in reality, to me, IF I were a Noles fan my answer would have been I am not even sure a $20M difference between the SEC and ACC is even doable. But if it were I wouldn't be so adamant about going to the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Actually it is because ND has many MANY more wealthy alumni that can make up the revenue gaps. They have generational wealth FSU doesn't have. Simple as that.

Regardless, I don't see any conference keeping up with the P2. I mean Texas, USC, and OK gave into it. FSU doesn't have the $$$ of any of them.

Also, I doubt another GOR is every signed again without revenue assurances. Maybe not another at all.

Then by 2030 we will know the answer since my own belief is that even with SEC/B1G type money programs like USC and UCLA will be more like Wisconsin and Purdue than Ohio State and Texas and Oklahoma will perform more like LSU and Texas A&M than Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.

So by the time ND considers jumping to the B1G and FSU considers jumping to the SEC they will be lucky to be the 5th/6th best in those conferences.

But I have been known to be wrong before.

I can understand though an FSU fan wanting to play those blockbuster programs moreso than ACC opponents.

Cheers,
Neil

This issue isn't just about FSU. Start with that. But FSU would love to stay in the ACC...I don't doubt that.

But at the end of the day, it won't lock itself into $40 million revenue gaps....or $25 million revenue gaps. I don't think other schools will either. No leader can justify such a decision.

Schools like UT, OK, and USC....blue bloods made this choice. I doubt FSU or any other school can go against the logic. It would be suicide.

It's suicide ONLY IF the End-game is 2 Super Conferences. And if that is the case I agree. But there is no need to bow to that at this moment in time. Which is why I believe 2030 is the year we will know one way or the other.

Cheers,
Neil
(09-05-2022 03:52 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 02:16 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:11 AM)CardinalJim Wrote: [ -> ]Great find…
You’re right. If The ACC gets a larger piece of the pie than The Big 12 you’ll have to put half the realignment posters on suicide watch

Big 12 is irrelevant.

The revenue issue is ONLY about how far behind you are compared to SEC/B1G. For some reason, this simple reality gets ignored.

No, it DOES matter. Ask yourself how much better FSU would be if it only had the best players and coaches from the left-behind Big XII teams? Money does not win games - players and coaches do. Money is just a resource to help you get what you really need to win.

As long as you have enough money to compete, you don't have to be on equal footing (Alabama will never be equal to either Texas or Texas A&M in terms of money, yet look at their records).

I'm convinced that a clear 3rd ACC - with some additions to gain access to key recruiting fields and some rivalry games to pump up the fans - will always be able to compete with the P2. But it MUST be clearly ahead of the Big XII and Pac-12 - if you're competing with them, you're NOT competing with the SEC and Big Ten.

(Maybe that's a round-about way of saying I basically agree with except for one point?)

Means NOTHING. There is no battle for 3rd. There is only revenue that allows you to compete in the future....or not. If you have a $40 Million revenue gap. You will NOT compete.

The revenue gap is a real issue and I honestly don’t think the ACC will ever be able to catch up with the P2.

Having said that, you don’t have to bring that up in every posting. The topic of this thread is about the future playoff money, which the ACC may earn more than the B12 and the Pac.

The #3 spot may mean nothing for some people, but some other people may be completely fine with that.
(09-05-2022 01:10 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2022 10:03 AM)random asian guy Wrote: [ -> ]This is Dennis Dodd’s educated guess:

SEC and Big Ten combine to get half the total, $600 million ($300 million each). That's an additional $16.7 million per year for each of those leagues' schools.

ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12 (depending on membership) split 30% of the pot, $360 million ($120 million each). That's approximately $10 million more per year for those schools. Another consideration: Perhaps the ACC, given the strength of some of its programs, sits on a tier of its own earning a sum between the Power Two and the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Group of Five conferences split the remaining 20% of the pot, $240 million ($48 million each). That's an additional $3.9 million per year for each school in the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA11stL9

Seems about right. I cannot imagine the reaction on the main board if the ACC ends up with getting more than B12 and Pac.

If you go back over the last decade and fill the 12 spots using the final CFP poll and taking into account who gets bumped regarding a G-5 spot and then subtract USC, and Oklahoma from the P12 and B12 and give their values to the B10 and SEC you get:

29% of spots to the SEC
18% of spots to the B10
13% of spots to the ACC
9% of spots to the P12
9% of sports to non P-5
8% of sports to the B12
5% of spots to Notre Dame

If you divide this into $600 million you get

$156 million for the SEC or $9.75 million per school

$108 million for the B10 or $6.75 million per school

$78 million for the ACC or $5.57 million per school

$54 million for the P12 or $5.4 million per school

$48 million for the B12 of $4 million per school

$5 million for ND for each appearance

A formula like this helps shows the value of Oklahoma and USC versus Texas and UCLA to the SEC and B10.

Your calculation is roughly consistent with Dennis Dodd’s numbers. He thinks the SEC and the BIG will get 25 percent each. The ACC may get slightly over 10 percent and the Pac and the B12 would get slightly less than 10 percent. G5 will get the other 20 percent. For some reason, Dodd didn’t take ND into account.

By the way, Dodd expects the expanded playoff money would be doubled so the total payout would be $1.2B instead of $600 million. If the ACC gets 13 percent as you calculated, each ACC school would get more than $11 million each year. We are talking about real money here and I think this is one area where the league can adopt the uneqaul revenue distribution to make Clemson/FSU happy (or less unhappy).
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