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Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.

(09-04-2022 09:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.

I agree with this assessment but I still feel 1) NIU 2) CMU

Those two are easily interchangeable

(09-04-2022 09:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.

Lol, those weren't Oklahoma State's backups!

Nice to see my team up there at #2 but I have to say I have some doubts about that so far. Penn State and Iowa State are going to be big tests.

Is the team good enough to get back into a bowl game? Can they win 4 in the MAC? It would seem like they might be able to do so.

They need FCS win (Fordham) and 4-4 in MAC play to do it.

I thought Miami had a chance against Kentucky due to the timing and it being 1st game rust. Kentucky had all the controversy with their stud RB getting in trouble and sitting out. I'm sure by game 4 against us he will be back in the lineup.

(09-04-2022 11:48 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2022 09:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.

Lol, those weren't Oklahoma State's backups!

At 55-15? I mean i didnt watch the game. I was warmed up in the Glass Bowl. Just assumed.

(09-04-2022 12:29 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]Nice to see my team up there at #2 but I have to say I have some doubts about that so far. Penn State and Iowa State are going to be big tests.

Is the team good enough to get back into a bowl game? Can they win 4 in the MAC? It would seem like they might be able to do so.

They need FCS win (Fordham) and 4-4 in MAC play to do it.

Kent is probably a tad worse. BG a tad better. Akron a tad better. Buffalo cant tell. Miami cant tell. Dont know your crossovers but you miss Toledo. Its possible. Didnt expect em to beat FAU.

(09-04-2022 09:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.

I watched the MSU game. They are not all that good right now. MSU will struggle in Big10 play unless they improve a lot in the coming weeks.

Really wished CMU played MSU this season instead of next year.

Quote:Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.

IMO:
(1) POSITIVE RESULTS
WMU - Had 2x TOP late in 3rd Q for the game + significantly more yards; two fumbles deep in MSU territory down by 1 poss. New QB, new O against a high-level B1G -- WMU fell in 4th Q.
CMU - Fought back against the woodshed, as OkSt coming in hated CMU more than WMU does -- by a lot. Sure, guys playing for OkSt who would give starters rest after 2nd half got settled in, instead -- but CMU was still at half having great stats
Ohio - Beat a climbing G5 team, albeit almost blew it at the end. But a solid G5 win.

(2) NEUTRAL
Toledo - Long Island State has been a bad D1AA. Toledo had to chip away to create such a big lead. Not impressive, but it's 1st game, got the job done in the end without any threat
Miami - Toe to toe for a while, 1st half was positive, 2nd half not. Overall OK, expected
UB - Buffalo wasn't expected to be good this year, but Maryland is supposed to score a lot, and they didn't get out of control. Positive for Buffalo. Maryland can't stop teams from scoring tho, but Buffalo doesn't have an O.
BG - Punched them in the face 1st half -- but then got creamed 2nd half
Kent - Showed they can move the ball against anyone, but their D, as expected, is going to give it up big.

(3) BAD
BSU - Yeah, a big pt-diff loss was expected, but BSU was like a redheaded step child the whole way.
EMU - Had to Hang On to beat Eastern Kentucky. Granted, a decent D1AA, but still. It's a home opener, and EKU scored very well against them and EMU had to bite the pillow to hang on
NIU - Eastern Illinois has been Bad in recent years. Like the chubby gal who gained tons of weight and no amount of beer would make average Joe go home with her. NIU hung on for dear life to win.
Akron - Good gawd. Akron needed OT at home to beat a decent D1AA team. Granted, I didn't expect a blowout. But losing in the 1st half and needing OT to win? I expected 10-13pt win in the end for 3Q of it maybe being 1 poss for a hot second or two.

(09-04-2022 02:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2022 11:48 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2022 09:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.

Lol, those weren't Oklahoma State's backups!

At 55-15? I mean i didnt watch the game. I was warmed up in the Glass Bowl. Just assumed.

Starting QB, RB, and some WRs were still in at 51-15. CMU definitely wasn’t playing against all backups, maybe some.

If I were ranking teams based on what I saw and not on any pre-season expectations, and I watched some of every team except Ohio and Buffalo, I’d rank CMU #1.

I wouldn't rank teams who lost over teams who won. Doesn't matter who you lose to a loss is a loss.

So my rankings would be:

1. Ohio - only FBS win
2. Toledo
3. EMU
4. NIU
5. Akron
6. CMU
7. WMU
8. Miami
9. KSU
10. BG
11. Buffalo
12. BSU

(09-04-2022 10:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't rank teams who lost over teams who won. Doesn't matter who you lose to a loss is a loss.

So my rankings would be:

1. Ohio - only FBS win
2. Toledo
3. EMU
4. NIU
5. Akron
6. CMU
7. WMU
8. Miami
9. KSU
10. BG
11. Buffalo
12. BSU

If that bottom 3 stayed the same id be happy! UT would be favored in the rest.

At the end of the day, there was much more to be lost than gained, and we fought off our ppssible losses. All of the P5 beat all of the G5 this week basically. Headlines will come in future weeks.

(09-04-2022 10:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't rank teams who lost over teams who won. Doesn't matter who you lose to a loss is a loss.

So my rankings would be:

1. Ohio - only FBS win
2. Toledo
3. EMU
4. NIU
5. Akron
6. CMU
7. WMU
8. Miami
9. KSU
10. BG
11. Buffalo
12. BSU

While it’s your opinion, that’s a silly one. If NIU lost to Alabama by one they would be below Akron? Got it lol.

(09-04-2022 09:44 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]If I were ranking teams based on what I saw and not on any pre-season expectations, and I watched some of every team except Ohio and Buffalo, I’d rank CMU #1.

Tough to rank a team #1 that gave up 55 and was behind by 40 after three quarters just because they made margin of defeat "respectable."

(09-05-2022 07:31 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2022 10:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't rank teams who lost over teams who won. Doesn't matter who you lose to a loss is a loss.

So my rankings would be:

1. Ohio - only FBS win
2. Toledo
3. EMU
4. NIU
5. Akron
6. CMU
7. WMU
8. Miami
9. KSU
10. BG
11. Buffalo
12. BSU

While it’s your opinion, that’s a silly one. If NIU lost to Alabama by one they would be below Akron? Got it lol.

Yes, I would rank NIU below every MAC team that won a game. You're trying to pull something out of a loss to place that team over one that won. That's silly to me.

What's also silly is preseason rankings. Ranking teams before they have played a game makes no sense.

I would drop every top 25 team that is 0-1 out of the next rankings, including Notre Dame. There are enough teams that won games that should be ranked.

(09-05-2022 08:38 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2022 07:31 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2022 10:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't rank teams who lost over teams who won. Doesn't matter who you lose to a loss is a loss.

So my rankings would be:

1. Ohio - only FBS win
2. Toledo
3. EMU
4. NIU
5. Akron
6. CMU
7. WMU
8. Miami
9. KSU
10. BG
11. Buffalo
12. BSU

While it’s your opinion, that’s a silly one. If NIU lost to Alabama by one they would be below Akron? Got it lol.

Yes, I would rank NIU below every MAC team that won a game. You're trying to pull something out of a loss to place that team over one that won. That's silly to me.

What's also silly is preseason rankings. Ranking teams before they have played a game makes no sense.

I would drop every top 25 team that is 0-1 out of the next rankings, including Notre Dame. There are enough teams that won games that should be ranked.

Well thankfully the polls don’t factor in epasnoopy’s rankings, that ignore SOS and level of competition. 2016 WMU would have played Bama in the natty lol.

(09-05-2022 08:12 AM)MajorHoople Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2022 09:44 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]If I were ranking teams based on what I saw and not on any pre-season expectations, and I watched some of every team except Ohio and Buffalo, I’d rank CMU #1.

Tough to rank a team #1 that gave up 55 and was behind by 40 after three quarters just because they made margin of defeat "respectable."

Yep, I agree! It was very tough. And yet, I managed to do it! And now I’m tired and need to rest.

(What I was trying to do is simple. It’s a “Power Ranking”: who are the best teams right now? So, which team looked like the best MAC team after one game in which all 12 teams played opponents of vastly different abilities and potential? CMU seemed to have the highest high end. But hey, it’s one week. Power rankings change by the week. It’s not a poll where you judge teams by historical trends and pre-season expectations and it’s not simply standings where the only thing that counts is wins and losses. It’s a power ranking: where does this week’s performance put the teams if they continue to play like that.

(09-05-2022 10:27 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2022 08:38 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2022 07:31 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]While it’s your opinion, that’s a silly one. If NIU lost to Alabama by one they would be below Akron? Got it lol.

Yes, I would rank NIU below every MAC team that won a game. You're trying to pull something out of a loss to place that team over one that won. That's silly to me.

What's also silly is preseason rankings. Ranking teams before they have played a game makes no sense.

I would drop every top 25 team that is 0-1 out of the next rankings, including Notre Dame. There are enough teams that won games that should be ranked.

Well thankfully the polls don’t factor in epasnoopy’s rankings, that ignore SOS and level of competition. 2016 WMU would have played Bama in the natty lol.

You're complaining about Week 1 rankings. There's still 11 more regular season games. Every MAC team has a chance to prove themselves throughout the season who is the best. Ranking teams who are 0-1 over teams who are 1-0 is silly.

NIU played and lost to #1 Ohio State 20-13 in 2015. We ended up being an 8-6 team that didn't win the MAC and got blown out in a bowl game.

We should continue to rank Oregon, Notre Dame, and Utah in top 25 just because they lost to a P5 team? If that's the case then Utah State, CMU, WVU, ECU, and others should be top 25 teams this week.

(09-05-2022 11:14 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2022 10:27 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2022 08:38 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-05-2022 07:31 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]While it’s your opinion, that’s a silly one. If NIU lost to Alabama by one they would be below Akron? Got it lol.

Yes, I would rank NIU below every MAC team that won a game. You're trying to pull something out of a loss to place that team over one that won. That's silly to me.

What's also silly is preseason rankings. Ranking teams before they have played a game makes no sense.

I would drop every top 25 team that is 0-1 out of the next rankings, including Notre Dame. There are enough teams that won games that should be ranked.

Well thankfully the polls don’t factor in epasnoopy’s rankings, that ignore SOS and level of competition. 2016 WMU would have played Bama in the natty lol.

You're complaining about Week 1 rankings. There's still 11 more regular season games. Every MAC team has a chance to prove themselves throughout the season who is the best. Ranking teams who are 0-1 over teams who are 1-0 is silly.

NIU played and lost to #1 Ohio State 20-13 in 2015. We ended up being an 8-6 team that didn't win the MAC and got blown out in a bowl game.

We should continue to rank Oregon, Notre Dame, and Utah in top 25 just because they lost to a P5 team? If that's the case then Utah State, CMU, WVU, ECU, and others should be top 25 teams this week.

Yes CMU and ND are a pickem on a neutral field... Come on.

There is a bad preseason bias for sure. More G5 teams than 2 should be ranked. But its money, facilities, coaches and stars that dictate the talent. ND and Utah have more than enough of those things to deserve to stay ranked even if they lost to VERY GOOD teams in week 1. If Alabama is #1 and all 130 schools would lose to Alabama, then no one else should be ranked? Use ya head.