(09-05-2022 12:16 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 11:14 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 10:27 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 08:38 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 07:31 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]While it’s your opinion, that’s a silly one. If NIU lost to Alabama by one they would be below Akron? Got it lol.
Yes, I would rank NIU below every MAC team that won a game. You're trying to pull something out of a loss to place that team over one that won. That's silly to me.
What's also silly is preseason rankings. Ranking teams before they have played a game makes no sense.
I would drop every top 25 team that is 0-1 out of the next rankings, including Notre Dame. There are enough teams that won games that should be ranked.
Well thankfully the polls don’t factor in epasnoopy’s rankings, that ignore SOS and level of competition. 2016 WMU would have played Bama in the natty lol.
You're complaining about Week 1 rankings. There's still 11 more regular season games. Every MAC team has a chance to prove themselves throughout the season who is the best. Ranking teams who are 0-1 over teams who are 1-0 is silly.
NIU played and lost to #1 Ohio State 20-13 in 2015. We ended up being an 8-6 team that didn't win the MAC and got blown out in a bowl game.
We should continue to rank Oregon, Notre Dame, and Utah in top 25 just because they lost to a P5 team? If that's the case then Utah State, CMU, WVU, ECU, and others should be top 25 teams this week.
Yes CMU and ND are a pickem on a neutral field... Come on.
There is a bad preseason bias for sure. More G5 teams than 2 should be ranked. But its money, facilities, coaches and stars that dictate the talent. ND and Utah have more than enough of those things to deserve to stay ranked even if they lost to VERY GOOD teams in week 1. If Alabama is #1 and all 130 schools would lose to Alabama, then no one else should be ranked? Use ya head.
Just like CMU has a chance to prove how good they are throughout the season so does Utah and ND. Let those schools win some games before deciding they should be ranked top 25 over teams that are 1-0 or 2-0.
Just like college football playoff committee rankings, the rest of the rankings should not come out until teams have a body of work to show they deserve it. Shouldn't rank someone solely because they play a P5, they play in a P5 conference, or because they are a popular brand.
As for Alabama, I wouldn't rank them #1 after this week. Georgia, Arkansas, and Ohio State had wins over better competition.
My rankings Miami RedHawks in the East and North Illinois in the West. As for my Buffalo we are the worse team in the MAC and one of the worse teams in all of FBS sadly. UB Bulls are heading towards a lot of stormy weather and tough times with this present coaching staff the head coach is learning to be a head coach on the job. If it was me I would never hired a assistant coach to become a head coach. I would dip into Division I-AA, 2 or 3 head coaching ranks like how we got Lance Leipold that know how to be a head coach where the lights aren’t as bright as Buffalo in UW-Whitewater. This Buffalo market is a hardcore smart football market your not going to give word salad answers in press conferences and draw fans Buffalo is too smart for that. There is no digging out now the present UB coaches created this mess. I feel bad for the Buffalo sports fans and the UB alums. We are all going to have to remember UB Bulls Lance Leipold football teams from 2019 and 2020 UB bowl victories. We are looking at 2030 before UB Bulls are bowl eligible again if UB is still playing football than because I am not so sure.
By the time UB fires Maurice Linquist than a new head coach is going to have to beg players to come to Buffalo after Maurice Linquist lost any momentum UB football had built it will be 2030. As for the this years UB football team your not winning with Cole Snyder he isn’t a MAC FBS QB he belongs in FCS football. QB Cole Snyder locks into one receiver always never scans the field and has a QVR of 41.5 your not winning anything with those numbers. We have no offensive line all the Maurice Linquist players are horrible offensively they can’t shredded blocks they can’t create separation and if they can the quarterback doesn’t see them wide open tight ends just a mess. If UB loses to Holy Cross Saturday we could go 0-12 Maurice Linquist and OC Shane Montgomery are a joke they should have been never been hired after last year they should have been fired not given contract extension. Buffalo Bills football season can’t get here fast enough in my opinion. UB Horns Up! Go Bulls! Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo
(09-05-2022 12:30 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:16 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 11:14 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 10:27 AM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 08:38 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I would rank NIU below every MAC team that won a game. You're trying to pull something out of a loss to place that team over one that won. That's silly to me.
What's also silly is preseason rankings. Ranking teams before they have played a game makes no sense.
I would drop every top 25 team that is 0-1 out of the next rankings, including Notre Dame. There are enough teams that won games that should be ranked.
Well thankfully the polls don’t factor in epasnoopy’s rankings, that ignore SOS and level of competition. 2016 WMU would have played Bama in the natty lol.
You're complaining about Week 1 rankings. There's still 11 more regular season games. Every MAC team has a chance to prove themselves throughout the season who is the best. Ranking teams who are 0-1 over teams who are 1-0 is silly.
NIU played and lost to #1 Ohio State 20-13 in 2015. We ended up being an 8-6 team that didn't win the MAC and got blown out in a bowl game.
We should continue to rank Oregon, Notre Dame, and Utah in top 25 just because they lost to a P5 team? If that's the case then Utah State, CMU, WVU, ECU, and others should be top 25 teams this week.
Yes CMU and ND are a pickem on a neutral field... Come on.
There is a bad preseason bias for sure. More G5 teams than 2 should be ranked. But its money, facilities, coaches and stars that dictate the talent. ND and Utah have more than enough of those things to deserve to stay ranked even if they lost to VERY GOOD teams in week 1. If Alabama is #1 and all 130 schools would lose to Alabama, then no one else should be ranked? Use ya head.
Just like CMU has a chance to prove how good they are throughout the season so does Utah and ND. Let those schools win some games before deciding they should be ranked top 25 over teams that are 1-0 or 2-0.
Just like college football playoff committee rankings, the rest of the rankings should not come out until teams have a body of work to show they deserve it. Shouldn't rank someone solely because they play a P5, they play in a P5 conference, or because they are a popular brand.
As for Alabama, I wouldn't rank them #1 after this week. Georgia, Arkansas, and Ohio State had wins over better competition.
We rank bama 1 because we have years of trust in that coach and program of proof. You said Notre Dame shouldnt be ranked. So how did Ohio State have a better win??? In your world theyre not ranked now.
In your world the the final standings would reflect undefeated teams at the top, 1 loss next, then 2 and so forth.... When you play in the SEC you could easily have 4 losses and make a mockery of teams with 0, 1 or 2, or 3 losses just based on caliber of teams played. Use your head, judgement, SOS... EVERYTHING. Or youll have WMU in the natty title against Alabama. You know thats incorrect lol.
(09-05-2022 12:57 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:30 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]Just like CMU has a chance to prove how good they are throughout the season so does Utah and ND. Let those schools win some games before deciding they should be ranked top 25 over teams that are 1-0 or 2-0.
Just like college football playoff committee rankings, the rest of the rankings should not come out until teams have a body of work to show they deserve it. Shouldn't rank someone solely because they play a P5, they play in a P5 conference, or because they are a popular brand.
As for Alabama, I wouldn't rank them #1 after this week. Georgia, Arkansas, and Ohio State had wins over better competition.
We rank bama 1 because we have years of trust in that coach and program of proof. You said Notre Dame shouldnt be ranked. So how did Ohio State have a better win??? In your world theyre not ranked now.
In your world the the final standings would reflect undefeated teams at the top, 1 loss next, then 2 and so forth.... When you play in the SEC you could easily have 4 losses and make a mockery of teams with 0, 1 or 2, or 3 losses just based on caliber of teams played. Use your head, judgement, SOS... EVERYTHING. Or youll have WMU in the natty title against Alabama. You know thats incorrect lol.
So again, you are ranking a team #1 based on history and not what they've done this year. That's your opinion and choice. I choose to rank teams based on wins and who they beat. I never said SOS doesn't come into play. Did you not notice I ranked Ohio #1 for the MAC rankings? I did that because they had the only FBS win. Their win was a better win than any of the FCS wins.
Sorry I choose to rank teams based on wins and who they beat over teams that are 0-1. If someone wants to rank CMU #1 just because they scored 44 points against Oklahoma St. then do that. If you think Alabama's win over Utah St. was a better win than Georgia's win over Oregon then I disagree.
(09-05-2022 01:18 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:57 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2022 12:30 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]Just like CMU has a chance to prove how good they are throughout the season so does Utah and ND. Let those schools win some games before deciding they should be ranked top 25 over teams that are 1-0 or 2-0.
Just like college football playoff committee rankings, the rest of the rankings should not come out until teams have a body of work to show they deserve it. Shouldn't rank someone solely because they play a P5, they play in a P5 conference, or because they are a popular brand.
As for Alabama, I wouldn't rank them #1 after this week. Georgia, Arkansas, and Ohio State had wins over better competition.
We rank bama 1 because we have years of trust in that coach and program of proof. You said Notre Dame shouldnt be ranked. So how did Ohio State have a better win??? In your world theyre not ranked now.
In your world the the final standings would reflect undefeated teams at the top, 1 loss next, then 2 and so forth.... When you play in the SEC you could easily have 4 losses and make a mockery of teams with 0, 1 or 2, or 3 losses just based on caliber of teams played. Use your head, judgement, SOS... EVERYTHING. Or youll have WMU in the natty title against Alabama. You know thats incorrect lol.
So again, you are ranking a team #1 based on history and not what they've done this year. That's your opinion and choice. I choose to rank teams based on wins and who they beat. I never said SOS doesn't come into play. Did you not notice I ranked Ohio #1 for the MAC rankings? I did that because they had the only FBS win. Their win was a better win than any of the FCS wins.
Sorry I choose to rank teams based on wins and who they beat over teams that are 0-1. If someone wants to rank CMU #1 just because they scored 44 points against Oklahoma St. then do that. If you think Alabama's win over Utah St. was a better win than Georgia's win over Oregon then I disagree.
I Just believe a loss to a very good team can prove far far more than an Overtime win vs. a terrible FCS team. And i will rank as so. In the end i dont care what your ranking is. We are all fans. But your opinion on how the AP or Coaches vote will never change. Good losses can happen and bad wins also. I wont rank soley based on Ws and Ls if schedules arent close to even after 1 week.
(09-04-2022 10:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't rank teams who lost over teams who won. Doesn't matter who you lose to a loss is a loss.
So my rankings would be:
1. Ohio - only FBS win
2. Toledo
3. EMU
4. NIU
5. Akron
6. CMU
7. WMU
8. Miami
9. KSU
10. BG
11. Buffalo
12. BSU
Akron 5th? Are you serious? Akron is the worst team in the MAC.
Dear WMU2013,
Akron may be the worst team in the Mid-American, but do you know how good St. Francis is? They may be a very good FCS team, and that could be why it took Akron to overtime to beat them.
This is part of the argument. People are saying Akron is terrible based on pre-season rankings, just as they are saying Alabama is great based on pre-season rankings. It is going to take a few games to be played before a real ranking can begin to be formed.
(09-05-2022 03:03 PM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear WMU2013,
Akron may be the worst team in the Mid-American, but do you know how good St. Francis is? They may be a very good FCS team, and that could be why it took Akron to overtime to beat them.
This is part of the argument. People are saying Akron is terrible based on pre-season rankings, just as they are saying Alabama is great based on pre-season rankings. It is going to take a few games to be played before a real ranking can begin to be formed.
Good post.
Many people had NIU as the worst team in the West last year and then as the season progressed they proved those preseason rankings incorrect.
Once the games have been played we will know how good each MAC team is and how good the opponents they played are. Until then, it's all guess work.
(09-05-2022 03:03 PM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear WMU2013,
Akron may be the worst team in the Mid-American, but do you know how good St. Francis is? They may be a very good FCS team, and that could be why it took Akron to overtime to beat them.
This is part of the argument. People are saying Akron is terrible based on pre-season rankings, just as they are saying Alabama is great based on pre-season rankings. It is going to take a few games to be played before a real ranking can begin to be formed.
P5 win 2 pts.
G5 win 1 pt.
P5 loss 0. FCS win 0.
G5 loss -1.
FCS loss -2.
Ohio 1.
Every other MAC team 0. So you have to rank based on opponent and outcome. An FCS OT win is maybe only better than what Ball State did.
Quote:So my rankings would be:
1. Ohio - only FBS win
2. Toledo
3. EMU
4. NIU
5. Akron
6. CMU
7. WMU
8. Miami
9. KSU
10. BG
11. Buffalo
12. BSU
I have to throw out a flag on this one, too. Akron's not #5 in the MAC (above average) - lol. EMU #3 despite a barn-burner against EKU? Granted, EKU is an upper D1AA, but they're by No means a NDState or SDState. There's too little info to go on right now, outside any team breaking out awesomely or super poorly, when playing a team with whom you could measure that by. Only 1 game. But still, not a good thing for EMU if you're going to judge them by that 1 game.
Quote:Akron may be the worst team in the Mid-American, but do you know how good St. Francis is? They may be a very good FCS team, and that could be why it took Akron to overtime to beat them.
Dear Ken,
St Francis isn't a great team. In D1AA, outside the Top 3-5 teams per year, difficulty level drops like a rock. CMU several years back barely had a win in the season -- and they beat a D1AA team handily who made progress in their playoffs.
St Francis:
2016: 7-5 [No FBS]
2017: 5-6 [No FBS]
2018: 4-8 [No FBS; 1 D2]
2019: 6-6 [No FBS]
2021: 5-6 [Lost to EMU by 20]
There's no reason to believe this is some breakout year for St Francis because they almost beat Akron. It's that Akron sucks bigtime. They feared no 'Roo, as they shouldn't have.
Dear toddjnsn,
I was not arguing that St. Francis is/was going to be a terrific team. Only using what I described to argue with the way people rank teams. History is important, but it should not be the most important factor when it comes to rankings with a new season.
Toledo
Ohio
Northern Illinois
Eastern Michigan
Akron
Central Michigan
Buffalo
Western Michigan
Miami
Kent St
Bowling Green St
Ball St
My rankings are similar to epasnoopy's. I also value FCS wins over Power 5 losses. I'm not going to punish Akron for winning.
Toledo gets shutout win. They're #1.
Ohio only team to beat FBS. They're #2.
EMU, NIU, UA all wins over FCS.
Central most competitive in Loss.
UB thru BGSU all okay performances in Loss.
BSU blown out.
NIU
CMU
Toledo
WMU
Kent State
Ohio
EMU
Miami
BGSU
Buffalo
Ball State
Akron
I'd put NIU somewhere in the middle of the MAC based on week 1.
(09-04-2022 09:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.
Defending champs open with a win and we are #10? Toledo hate incoming...
(09-06-2022 07:52 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote: [ -> ]NIU
CMU
Toledo
WMU
Kent State
Ohio
EMU
Miami
BGSU
Buffalo
Ball State
Akron
Very difficult ranking the teams given the wide range of opening week opponents. But this is probably the closest I've seen to what I'd put together.
(09-06-2022 03:45 PM)NIU05 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-04-2022 09:03 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Based on what I saw with opponent considered:
1. WMU- good opponent and close throughout
2. Ohio- G5 win
3. Toledo- shutout win, but bad opponent
4. Kent- tough ask with the time difference and caliber of opponent
5. CMU- 1 good qtr against a good team. Offense was zoomin against their backups.
6. Miami- about as expected
7. UB- Maryland and UCLA are even teams atm
8. BG- good specs
9. EMU- Regulation win vs FCS
10. NIU- Regulation win vs. FCS
11. Akron- OT win vs FCS
12. Ball State- trounced a bit worse than the other MAC vs. P5.
Defending champs open with a win and we are #10? Toledo hate incoming...
Not a prediction, just a reflection. Who ahead of you did NIU do better than? Beat a 1-10 (im aware new season) by a TD at home. Im not sure from the replay insaw NIU looked better than UB, Miami or BG in week 1. Sorry.
(09-06-2022 06:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Not a prediction, just a reflection. Who ahead of you did NIU do better than? Beat a 1-10 (im aware new season) by a TD at home. Im not sure from the replay insaw NIU looked better than UB, Miami or BG in week 1. Sorry.
People are only looking at past history to assume someone's strength for this year. NIU had zero wins in 2020 and then nine last year. While EIU had one win last year they have a new coaching staff and players. If they play like they did against us I'd expect them to have a better season.
If you saw the game then you saw how vanilla NIU played on offense and defense. We didn't try very hard, led the entire game, and still won. We had like 7 pass attempts in the entire first half. We played straight man defense. Didn't blitz, stunt, or play any zone.
(09-06-2022 07:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2022 06:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Not a prediction, just a reflection. Who ahead of you did NIU do better than? Beat a 1-10 (im aware new season) by a TD at home. Im not sure from the replay insaw NIU looked better than UB, Miami or BG in week 1. Sorry.
People are only looking at past history to assume someone's strength for this year. NIU had zero wins in 2020 and then nine last year. While EIU had one win last year they have a new coaching staff and players. If they play like they did against us I'd expect them to have a better season.
If you saw the game then you saw how vanilla NIU played on offense and defense. We didn't try very hard, led the entire game, and still won. We had like 7 pass attempts in the entire first half. We played straight man defense. Didn't blitz, stunt, or play any zone.
Agree. Hard to rank after week 1. Spell this out to the Fire Candle crowd where 37-0 in atrocious and 6-6 is on the horizon. To me it looks pretty decent compared to what the rest of this conference showed.
(09-06-2022 09:08 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2022 07:05 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2022 06:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]Not a prediction, just a reflection. Who ahead of you did NIU do better than? Beat a 1-10 (im aware new season) by a TD at home. Im not sure from the replay insaw NIU looked better than UB, Miami or BG in week 1. Sorry.
People are only looking at past history to assume someone's strength for this year. NIU had zero wins in 2020 and then nine last year. While EIU had one win last year they have a new coaching staff and players. If they play like they did against us I'd expect them to have a better season.
If you saw the game then you saw how vanilla NIU played on offense and defense. We didn't try very hard, led the entire game, and still won. We had like 7 pass attempts in the entire first half. We played straight man defense. Didn't blitz, stunt, or play any zone.
Agree. Hard to rank after week 1. Spell this out to the Fire Candle crowd where 37-0 in atrocious and 6-6 is on the horizon. To me it looks pretty decent compared to what the rest of this conference showed.
I'd take a shutout win. No matter who the opponent that is impressive and rare. In 93 games featuring FBS teams in weeks 0 & 1, only 9 of them were a shutout.