08-22-2022, 04:52 PM
Not sure if the roughly 8,000 students at Blue Ash and Clermont are included in those figures. They could maybe look to expand the regional campuses to get to 60k?
(08-22-2022 04:13 PM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 03:55 PM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 02:02 PM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:48 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:44 AM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ]Quantity vs. quality. Should we expect another downgrade when the next USN&WR ratings come out?
UC gave up on cracking the top 100 in the USNWR almost a decade ago. The goal is clearly to expand enrollment. This spring/early summer Dr. Pinto said the goal is to be at 60,000 students by 2030.
Bolded, and they're doing a fine job at that. Bigger isn't always better but it's still more--more tuition revenue, more state support for operations and capital improvements in the way Ohio funds the public universities.
UC is now clearly separated from the regional publics as Ohio's "other" major public research engine and the undergraduate school of choice in Ohio, alongside that school up I-71. OSU first got big, then upped its game on enrollment selectivity. Maybe UC follows this same playbook, albeit decades later.
As we all know too, being part of a "power" conference in athletics was another step forward on a big stage. Prospective students don't always make rational choices for their undergraduate education, but if big-time athletics is a draw, the Bearcats have helped the cause and this will only get better with the increased exposure of the Big 12.
Unless campus builds vertically, more capital improvements will soon require an expanded footprint, and there aren't a lot of socially or politically palatable options available. Something's gotta give. Either we acquire Burnett Woods or resume nibbling away at surrounding residential neighborhoods. Without more ground, and with the construction of more facilities to accommodate the incoming hordes, UC's campus may soon have the same panache as an in-grown toenail.
Has UC officially and publicly identified current enrollment growth and an eventual shift to greater selectivity as a strategy or goal?
It appears Hebrew Union College will exit Cincinnati and that's a beautiful, small campus that practically connects the dots between the intersection of Clifton Avenue and MLK. I have no idea if that's been explored by UC, but with the footprint issue you've alluded to, I would think there might be a mutually beneficial opportunity there.
(08-22-2022 04:52 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if the roughly 8,000 students at Blue Ash and Clermont are included in those figures. They could maybe look to expand the regional campuses to get to 60k?
(08-22-2022 10:48 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:44 AM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ]Quantity vs. quality. Should we expect another downgrade when the next USN&WR ratings come out?
UC gave up on cracking the top 100 in the USNWR almost a decade ago. The goal is clearly to expand enrollment. This spring/early summer Dr. Pinto said the goal is to be at 60,000 students by 2030.
(08-22-2022 05:43 PM)Patmog Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 04:52 PM)Cat-Man Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if the roughly 8,000 students at Blue Ash and Clermont are included in those figures. They could maybe look to expand the regional campuses to get to 60k?
I was wondering the same thing.
(08-22-2022 11:36 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:58 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]and our most diverse class in history,” says Jack Miner, vice provost of enrollment management.
% of African American people in the Ohio - 14.4%
% of African American people in the U.S. - 13.4%
% of African American people in this class - 23%
% of Latinix American people in Ohio - 4.3%
% of Latinix American people in the U.S. - 16.7%
% of African American people in this class - 21%
Looks to me like UC is acting a bit racist by disproportionately favoring these demographics. I hope these students were selected due to their academic portfolio any not because of their race.
(08-22-2022 12:15 PM)ucdmb Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 11:36 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:58 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]and our most diverse class in history,” says Jack Miner, vice provost of enrollment management.
% of African American people in the Ohio - 14.4%
% of African American people in the U.S. - 13.4%
% of African American people in this class - 23%
% of Latinix American people in Ohio - 4.3%
% of Latinix American people in the U.S. - 16.7%
% of African American people in this class - 21%
Looks to me like UC is acting a bit racist by disproportionately favoring these demographics. I hope these students were selected due to their academic portfolio any not because of their race.
Here's what the article specifically said regarding the race of the incoming students..."23% increase in Black students in incoming class
21% increase in Latinx students in incoming class."
You left out the most important word...INCREASE. That doesn't mean 21% of this class is African American. It means this class has seen an INCREASE of 21% of African American students from last year.
That's a very important distinction and shows that while UC diversity is improving, it is still much lower the national averages for the minority groups you pointed out.
(08-22-2022 04:15 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 03:55 PM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 02:02 PM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:48 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:44 AM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ]Quantity vs. quality. Should we expect another downgrade when the next USN&WR ratings come out?
UC gave up on cracking the top 100 in the USNWR almost a decade ago. The goal is clearly to expand enrollment. This spring/early summer Dr. Pinto said the goal is to be at 60,000 students by 2030.
Bolded, and they're doing a fine job at that. Bigger isn't always better but it's still more--more tuition revenue, more state support for operations and capital improvements in the way Ohio funds the public universities.
UC is now clearly separated from the regional publics as Ohio's "other" major public research engine and the undergraduate school of choice in Ohio, alongside that school up I-71. OSU first got big, then upped its game on enrollment selectivity. Maybe UC follows this same playbook, albeit decades later.
As we all know too, being part of a "power" conference in athletics was another step forward on a big stage. Prospective students don't always make rational choices for their undergraduate education, but if big-time athletics is a draw, the Bearcats have helped the cause and this will only get better with the increased exposure of the Big 12.
Unless campus builds vertically, more capital improvements will soon require an expanded footprint, and there aren't a lot of socially or politically palatable options available. Something's gotta give. Either we acquire Burnett Woods or resume nibbling away at surrounding residential neighborhoods. Without more ground, and with the construction of more facilities to accommodate the incoming hordes, UC's campus may soon have the same panache as an in-grown toenail.
Has UC officially and publicly identified current enrollment growth and an eventual shift to greater selectivity as a strategy or goal?
They plan to continue to grow, with an enrollment goal of 60,000 by 2030.
The devil is in the details on how they are getting to that number, whether they intend to buy up more land in the uptown area, an adjacent area or elsewhere.
(08-22-2022 09:19 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 04:15 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 03:55 PM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 02:02 PM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:48 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]UC gave up on cracking the top 100 in the USNWR almost a decade ago. The goal is clearly to expand enrollment. This spring/early summer Dr. Pinto said the goal is to be at 60,000 students by 2030.
Bolded, and they're doing a fine job at that. Bigger isn't always better but it's still more--more tuition revenue, more state support for operations and capital improvements in the way Ohio funds the public universities.
UC is now clearly separated from the regional publics as Ohio's "other" major public research engine and the undergraduate school of choice in Ohio, alongside that school up I-71. OSU first got big, then upped its game on enrollment selectivity. Maybe UC follows this same playbook, albeit decades later.
As we all know too, being part of a "power" conference in athletics was another step forward on a big stage. Prospective students don't always make rational choices for their undergraduate education, but if big-time athletics is a draw, the Bearcats have helped the cause and this will only get better with the increased exposure of the Big 12.
Unless campus builds vertically, more capital improvements will soon require an expanded footprint, and there aren't a lot of socially or politically palatable options available. Something's gotta give. Either we acquire Burnett Woods or resume nibbling away at surrounding residential neighborhoods. Without more ground, and with the construction of more facilities to accommodate the incoming hordes, UC's campus may soon have the same panache as an in-grown toenail.
Has UC officially and publicly identified current enrollment growth and an eventual shift to greater selectivity as a strategy or goal?
They plan to continue to grow, with an enrollment goal of 60,000 by 2030.
The devil is in the details on how they are getting to that number, whether they intend to buy up more land in the uptown area, an adjacent area or elsewhere.
Why in the world does UC need to get to 60,000? I thought 48,000 was the goal
(08-22-2022 07:15 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 11:36 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:58 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]and our most diverse class in history,” says Jack Miner, vice provost of enrollment management.
% of African American people in the Ohio - 14.4%
% of African American people in the U.S. - 13.4%
% of African American people in this class - 23%
% of Latinix American people in Ohio - 4.3%
% of Latinix American people in the U.S. - 16.7%
% of African American people in this class - 21%
Looks to me like UC is acting a bit racist by disproportionately favoring these demographics. I hope these students were selected due to their academic portfolio any not because of their race.
Post of the Year candidate
(08-22-2022 12:15 PM)ucdmb Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 11:36 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: [ -> ](08-22-2022 10:58 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]and our most diverse class in history,” says Jack Miner, vice provost of enrollment management.
% of African American people in the Ohio - 14.4%
% of African American people in the U.S. - 13.4%
% of African American people in this class - 23%
% of Latinix American people in Ohio - 4.3%
% of Latinix American people in the U.S. - 16.7%
% of African American people in this class - 21%
Looks to me like UC is acting a bit racist by disproportionately favoring these demographics. I hope these students were selected due to their academic portfolio any not because of their race.
Here's what the article specifically said regarding the race of the incoming students..."23% increase in Black students in incoming class
21% increase in Latinx students in incoming class."
You left out the most important word...INCREASE. That doesn't mean 21% of this class is African American. It means this class has seen an INCREASE of 21% of African American students from last year.
That's a very important distinction and shows that while UC diversity is improving, it is still much lower the national averages for the minority groups you pointed out.
(08-22-2022 09:19 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote: [ -> ]Why in the world does UC need to get to 60,000? I thought 48,000 was the goal
(08-24-2022 08:51 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]Those who were around even 10-15 years ago would be amazed how much of the stretch from Clifton Ave to I-71 has turned into UC student housing.