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... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.
(08-18-2022 11:38 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.

TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.
(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 11:38 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.

TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.

Let's say Notre Dame remains Independent and the B2G grows with California, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington. I would see SEC growing to 20 with Clemson, Florida St, North Carolina, and Virginia. The ACC (now at 10) expanding with some combination of XII/AAC schools and the remainder of the XII/PAC merging plus a couple MWC schools.

Independent: Notre Dame

B2G
Atlantic: Maryland, Michigan St, Notre Dame, Penn St, Rutgers
Central: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Midwest: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio St, Purdue
Pacific: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC

SEC
East: Clemson, Florida St, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Southeast: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Southwest: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

ACC
Eastern: Boston College, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Metro: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, North Carolina St, South Florida, Temple, Wake Forest

XVI
Central: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech
Western: Arizona, Arizona St, BYU, Colorado, Oregon St, San Diego St, Utah, Washington St

MWC
Mountain: Boise St, Fresno St, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose St, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
West: Air Force, Colorado St, Navy*, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
* Football-only
^ Non-football: Wichita St
If ESPN needs/wants west coast content they are not going to allow their competitor to take the most valuable properties first.
(08-18-2022 09:00 PM)Wolfman Wrote: [ -> ]If ESPN needs/wants west coast content they are not going to allow their competitor to take the most valuable properties first.

Under normal circumstances , I would agree with you. But, look at what I bolded. "Under normal circumstances. " Got news for you, Wolfman: circumstances are anything but normal!!!

ESPN would be incredibly dumb to think that they could get Oregon and Washington in the ACC. That is incredibly moronic thinking, IMO, especially when you consider that the University of Oregon and the University of Washington applied for B1G membership. It doesn't get any more clear than that. But, just in case you still needed clarity, Phil Knight said himself he wanted Oregon in the B1G or the SEC . Nowhere was there any mention of the ACC . All I heard around the SEC was crickets. Stanford's rep speaks for itself, IMHO.

The only team that the ACC had a slight chance at, IMO, was Cal. But Cal is not very familiar with the ACC, and when you add the fact that very few teams in the ACC like the ACC to begin with, Cal probably told Worldwide, "Thanks, but no thanks. "
Now, that being said, I think that the ACC has a great shot at the 4 corners schools, Oregon State and Washington State, but from everything I have heard, you guys aren't too keen on those teams, so the Big 12, hardly a world beater, will probably get those teams due to the appearance that nobody else seems to be interested in them, which I believe is a huge mistake on the ACC's part.
(08-18-2022 11:38 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.

FOX was the strategist.
It wasn't so much about the B1G media rights as it was the alignment of all of the OTA platforms (sans ABC) to distribute B1G product.
FOX (including the BTN) used the B1G to cobble together a distribution network that included OTA networks with prime distribution windows.
Will ESPN be interested in the PAC/Big 12 leftovers? ESPN needs enough inventory to insure that all of it's platforms have content, plus it needs variety to be able to bill itself as a national distribution system. So I would think it would be necessary for ESPN to secure what's left of the PAC/Big 12.
That would give ESPN access to three separate major platforms that would perpetuate the illusion that the Mouse was still a "national" network for content and distribution, while FOX was billing itself the same but with proprietary content.
(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 11:38 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.

TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.

Do you think ESPN will pay B1G/SEC money to add those four schools? That's what it would take to give the ACC a $10M bump. At $20M they would have to value those four schools at $120M each. I'm hoping to win the lottery, but I'm not holding my breath.
(08-19-2022 06:38 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 11:38 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.

TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.

Do you think ESPN will pay B1G/SEC money to add those four schools? That's what it would take to give the ACC a $10M bump. At $20M they would have to value those four schools at $120M each. I'm hoping to win the lottery, but I'm not holding my breath.

At this point ESPN does not have a choice.
FOX and the B1G are on the verge of replacing ESPN as the WWL.
If ESPN opens the ACC's GOR and the B1G is able to scoop up another couple of teams, they will have a national network with coverage on all of the OTA networks with the exception of ABC.
Content for the B1G? More than football to create a national network? Maybe Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Colorado, or Duke Carolina, Syracuse and Colorado leaving Notre Dame independent but with a minimum of B1G games per year.
That gives FOX year round content with a coast to coast network.
ESPN is now behind the eight ball and is being forced to be reactive, and it's going to cost them.
(08-19-2022 07:25 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 06:38 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 11:38 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.

TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.

Do you think ESPN will pay B1G/SEC money to add those four schools? That's what it would take to give the ACC a $10M bump. At $20M they would have to value those four schools at $120M each. I'm hoping to win the lottery, but I'm not holding my breath.

At this point ESPN does not have a choice.
FOX and the B1G are on the verge of replacing ESPN as the WWL.
If ESPN opens the ACC's GOR and the B1G is able to scoop up another couple of teams, they will have a national network with coverage on all of the OTA networks with the exception of ABC.
Content for the B1G? More than football to create a national network? Maybe Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Colorado, or Duke Carolina, Syracuse and Colorado leaving Notre Dame independent but with a minimum of B1G games per year.
That gives FOX year round content with a coast to coast network.
ESPN is now behind the eight ball and is being forced to be reactive, and it's going to cost them.

What good is coast to coast if the people don't watch college football anywhere but the SE/SW and Northern Midwest. It's what we used to call a paper tiger (looks great on paper but has no teeth). ESPN landed more umph with OU and UT for actual viewers than FOX did with USC/UCLA.
(08-19-2022 07:39 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 07:25 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 06:38 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 11:38 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]The Big 10's new deal set the cap on the upper tier at 20 schools. Taking the final value of 8 billion for 7 years a 10 billion cap on additions means only 4 have been budgeted. Notre Dame will eclipse the Big 10 in earnings, so they are out. 20 million from the ACC money and 60 million from NBC makes them independent as long as they desire. They likely played the Big 10 until they saw the real numbers and knew what they had to get from NBC.

So, if Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon round out the B2G, the question becomes truly who is interested in the PAC and B12 rights? If PAC schools are rolled into the B12 then we may sit pat. The lowest SEC estimate on 14 members was 71.7 million in payouts before OU and UT were added. The B1G estimate is 63 million per school for the average of their new deal in payouts. The SEC may opt to keep the advantage plus OU and UT's money and let nature take its course.

If the SEC expands to 18 or 20 out of the ACC, then ESPN may choose to roll the Best of the B12 and PAC into the ACC making it a tweener. Otherwise, it now looks like should the B12 add the PAC schools we will be an S2 / P2 configuration with the B12 and ACC being under ESPN control and left as is.

TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.

Do you think ESPN will pay B1G/SEC money to add those four schools? That's what it would take to give the ACC a $10M bump. At $20M they would have to value those four schools at $120M each. I'm hoping to win the lottery, but I'm not holding my breath.

At this point ESPN does not have a choice.
FOX and the B1G are on the verge of replacing ESPN as the WWL.
If ESPN opens the ACC's GOR and the B1G is able to scoop up another couple of teams, they will have a national network with coverage on all of the OTA networks with the exception of ABC.
Content for the B1G? More than football to create a national network? Maybe Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Colorado, or Duke Carolina, Syracuse and Colorado leaving Notre Dame independent but with a minimum of B1G games per year.
That gives FOX year round content with a coast to coast network.
ESPN is now behind the eight ball and is being forced to be reactive, and it's going to cost them.

What good is coast to coast if the people don't watch college football anywhere but the SE/SW and Northern Midwest. It's what we used to call a paper tiger (looks great on paper but has no teeth). ESPN landed more umph with OU and UT for actual viewers than FOX did with USC/UCLA.

Obviously the major networks feel that they have an audience or they wouldn't have given up so much air time to broadcast that product.

ESPN is on the ropes JR, they will have to do something to placate the ACC and the Big12/4 corners to have appealing content year round.
(08-19-2022 07:58 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 07:39 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 07:25 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 06:38 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.

Do you think ESPN will pay B1G/SEC money to add those four schools? That's what it would take to give the ACC a $10M bump. At $20M they would have to value those four schools at $120M each. I'm hoping to win the lottery, but I'm not holding my breath.

At this point ESPN does not have a choice.
FOX and the B1G are on the verge of replacing ESPN as the WWL.
If ESPN opens the ACC's GOR and the B1G is able to scoop up another couple of teams, they will have a national network with coverage on all of the OTA networks with the exception of ABC.
Content for the B1G? More than football to create a national network? Maybe Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Colorado, or Duke Carolina, Syracuse and Colorado leaving Notre Dame independent but with a minimum of B1G games per year.
That gives FOX year round content with a coast to coast network.
ESPN is now behind the eight ball and is being forced to be reactive, and it's going to cost them.

What good is coast to coast if the people don't watch college football anywhere but the SE/SW and Northern Midwest. It's what we used to call a paper tiger (looks great on paper but has no teeth). ESPN landed more umph with OU and UT for actual viewers than FOX did with USC/UCLA.

Obviously the major networks feel that they have an audience or they wouldn't have given up so much air time to broadcast that product.

ESPN is on the ropes JR, they will have to do something to placate the ACC and the Big12/4 corners to have appealing content year round.

The most obvious answer is liquidation of ACC, potentially with ESPN getting a piece of the segment that goes to BIG.

The BIG expanding as an OTA national conference makes consolidation of ESPN’s top brands even more critical. The way to counter is by ESPN/ABC having the best matchups. Clemson and FSU are wasted in the ACC
(08-19-2022 07:58 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 07:39 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 07:25 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 06:38 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2022 12:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]TBH, I'm hoping ESPN pays the ACC to annex WVU, Cincy, and possibly UCF + one other, along with at least an extra $10M to $20M in TV money. I'd rather not have the Hokies fly out to Arizona on a regular basis.

Do you think ESPN will pay B1G/SEC money to add those four schools? That's what it would take to give the ACC a $10M bump. At $20M they would have to value those four schools at $120M each. I'm hoping to win the lottery, but I'm not holding my breath.

At this point ESPN does not have a choice.
FOX and the B1G are on the verge of replacing ESPN as the WWL.
If ESPN opens the ACC's GOR and the B1G is able to scoop up another couple of teams, they will have a national network with coverage on all of the OTA networks with the exception of ABC.
Content for the B1G? More than football to create a national network? Maybe Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame and Colorado, or Duke Carolina, Syracuse and Colorado leaving Notre Dame independent but with a minimum of B1G games per year.
That gives FOX year round content with a coast to coast network.
ESPN is now behind the eight ball and is being forced to be reactive, and it's going to cost them.

What good is coast to coast if the people don't watch college football anywhere but the SE/SW and Northern Midwest. It's what we used to call a paper tiger (looks great on paper but has no teeth). ESPN landed more umph with OU and UT for actual viewers than FOX did with USC/UCLA.

Obviously the major networks feel that they have an audience or they wouldn't have given up so much air time to broadcast that product.

ESPN is on the ropes JR, they will have to do something to placate the ACC and the Big12/4 corners to have appealing content year round.

Money is paid for actual viewers X. This isn't 2010 and subscription fees are T3 for a reason, namely they are a smaller percentage of the take. The SEC is #1 in viewers and the Big 12 #3. ESPN will likely go after the B12 which opens many possibilities for product placement and garnering more eyes on their lineup. The ACC has the largest market with the least penetration. I fully expect Disney to intentionally graft more rabid viewers into it. If Disney properties were to stop in Colorado they'd be just fine since B.Y.U. is now B12 and ASU is likely to be. FOX has to hope, once the novelty wears off, that L.A. viewers will stay tuned in. So far this has been a major issue for the PAC 12, and I don't think because some schools are headquartered in the Northern Midwest that it will change their habits. I expect a solid 2 years followed by their usual apathy.

Graft Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Va Tech into the SEC and interest regionally will grow. Graft Kansas and Colorado in and you gain markets and eyes for hoops and markets, but just as with the PAC it's no guarantee Denver will tune in.

Oh, and X, just what did the networks have left to buy? A broken and wounded PAC 12? A Big 12 without Texas and Oklahoma? CBS and NBC had to have a piece of the Big Ten to stay in the game! ESPN has the SEC/ACC/AAC/ and possibly will have the NB12. They had nothing else to buy Einstein!
(08-19-2022 08:09 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote: [ -> ]The BIG expanding as an OTA national conference makes consolidation of ESPN’s top brands even more critical. The way to counter is by ESPN/ABC having the best matchups. Clemson and FSU are wasted in the ACC

UW + UO + Cal + Stanford → BiG

Clemson + FSU + UNC + UVA → SEC

Your move, Kevin Warren
(08-19-2022 08:13 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]Graft Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Va Tech into the SEC and interest regionally will grow.

Oh Lord please make it so :)
(08-19-2022 09:10 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 08:09 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote: [ -> ]The BIG expanding as an OTA national conference makes consolidation of ESPN’s top brands even more critical. The way to counter is by ESPN/ABC having the best matchups. Clemson and FSU are wasted in the ACC

UW + UO + Cal + Stanford → BiG

Clemson + FSU + UNC + UVA → SEC

Your move, Kevin Warren

I don't think it will be that simple. Perhaps you build this New Big 12:

Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado, San Diego State, Utah

Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Central Florida, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane

Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

And this SEC:

Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Tennessee

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

*Duke, *Vanderbilt, *Wake Forest, *Notre Dame (All but football)


This way ESPN sews up the largest market, the Big 12/ACC/SEC schools plus the recent additions and a few more. Segregate by value and associations and keep hoops brands tight.
(08-19-2022 09:36 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]...Perhaps you build this... SEC:

Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Tennessee
Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
*Duke, *Vanderbilt, *Wake Forest, *Notre Dame (All but football)

This way ESPN sews up the largest market, the Big 12/ACC/SEC schools plus the recent additions and a few more. Segregate by value and associations and keep hoops brands tight.

I don't think the SEC schools would have a problem with Duke/Vandy/Wake being non-football members, but how do you think it will go over in Tuscaloosa, Athens, etc. if Notre Dame is still independent but playing all other sports in the SEC?
(08-19-2022 11:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 09:36 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]...Perhaps you build this... SEC:

Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Tennessee
Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
*Duke, *Vanderbilt, *Wake Forest, *Notre Dame (All but football)

This way ESPN sews up the largest market, the Big 12/ACC/SEC schools plus the recent additions and a few more. Segregate by value and associations and keep hoops brands tight.

I don't think the SEC schools would have a problem with Duke/Vandy/Wake being non-football members, but how do you think it will go over in Tuscaloosa, Athens, etc. if Notre Dame is still independent but playing all other sports in the SEC?

Well Mark, Notre Dame will be earning enough they'll stay independent anyway. It's better to have the association than for the B1G to do it. They need games in Florida, Georgia, and Louisiana, and now likely Texas. So as a non-football member they essentially keep minor sports nearby, which is better for their baseball and I'm sure NBC will have them scheduled against B1G opponents as well. I was set to pencil in Tulane or Rice when it hit me that ND would eventually need such an association and forming hit reaches markets the SEC/ACC can only reach with them.
(08-19-2022 09:10 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-19-2022 08:09 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote: [ -> ]The BIG expanding as an OTA national conference makes consolidation of ESPN’s top brands even more critical. The way to counter is by ESPN/ABC having the best matchups. Clemson and FSU are wasted in the ACC

UW + UO + Cal + Stanford → BiG

Clemson + FSU + UNC + UVA → SEC

Your move, Kevin Warren


If you’re Warren, do you try to make a play for an ACC haul, knowing the likely result is ESPN countering and strengthening the SEC?
(08-18-2022 10:25 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ]... by taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford, after which the SEC (with ESPN's blessing) will absorb the most desirable members of the ACC while the rest of the ACC will be shuffled off to this new Big XII/Pac conglomeration?

After which ESPN will swoop in pretty much unchallenged for media rights and land the most valuable parts (if not all) of the available content?

Does such a strategy get you 8 votes for ACC dissolution?

Taking UW, UO, Cal and Stanford would finish the PAC..but it won’t happen until after 2030. IMO, expanding with USC & UCLA allowed the B1G to match the SEC (in terms of members and media payouts). Additional expansion, excluding ND, is dilutive and doesn’t really help Fox or the B1G.

If the B1G was going to expand to 20 members with invitations this year, they would have first announced USC+UCLA+Stanford in the first round. This would have put maximum pressure ND to join. ND would have lost marquee access to the California market. Depending on ND’s decision, they then could go to 20 (adding two, or all three, of Washington/Cal/Oregon).

With regards to the SEC reaction (and ESPN’s blessing), an immediate B1G expansion to 20 teams has zero impact on their ability to expand with ACC teams.
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