The British organization has released a damning report regarding Ukrainian military tactics among civilians. One would think their American advisors would tell them how dumb this is. Except they are probably telling the Ukrainians how clever it is. Either way, throughout the report are Ukrainian complaints about the Ukrainian army setting up shop in the house next door, the medical center down the block, in preschools, universities, on top of residential high rises. Just one of many bad paths their government is leading them down.
“ We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.
“ Survivors and witnesses of Russian strikes in the Donbas, Kharkiv and Mykolaiv regions told Amnesty International researchers that the Ukrainian military had been operating near their homes around the time of the strikes, exposing the areas to retaliatory fire from Russian forces. Amnesty International researchers witnessed such conduct in numerous locations.”
“There is definitely military activity in the neighbourhood. When there is outgoing fire, we hear incoming fire afterwards.” Amnesty International researchers witnessed soldiers using a residential building some 20 metres from the entrance of the underground shelter used by the residents“
“A Russian air strike on 28 April injured two employees at a medical laboratory in a suburb of Kharkiv after Ukrainian forces had set up a base in the compound.”
“At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles.”
Kind of irrelevant. Russian terrorists are bombing civilian areas anyway.
They sound a lot like our Muslim friends in the Middle East.
"Laws of war"?
There is only one law - do whatever it takes to win.
That is like watching 2 Cucks starting a fight and laying out ground rules...
OK nothing above the neck, no groin shots, no pulling hair.....
(08-04-2022 09:09 AM)b2b Wrote: [ -> ]They sound a lot like our Muslim friends in the Middle East.
Somebody said this a while back when all the weak minded started waving ukraine flags.
Guess who that somebody was
(08-04-2022 09:31 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:09 AM)b2b Wrote: [ -> ]They sound a lot like our Muslim friends in the Middle East.
Somebody said this a while back when all the weak minded started waving ukraine flags.
Guess who that somebody was
I know who.
When armies hide among civilians, it’s because their objectives have absolutely nothing to do with the civilians of that country. They are on a mission, but it absolutely isn’t to protect the people of the country.
Russia watched Ukraine army not care about Ukrainian civilians for 8 years in Donbas.
(08-04-2022 09:38 AM)Todor Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:31 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:09 AM)b2b Wrote: [ -> ]They sound a lot like our Muslim friends in the Middle East.
Somebody said this a while back when all the weak minded started waving ukraine flags.
Guess who that somebody was
I know who.
When armies hide among civilians, it’s because their objectives have absolutely nothing to do with the civilians of that country. They are on a mission, but it absolutely isn’t to protect the people of the country.
Russia watched Ukraine army not care about Ukrainian civilians for 8 years in Donbas.
The view and muh facebook said russia bad zelensky good.
They just need 40 billion to save democracy
Suckers
I think both sides are terrible.
That said, Ukraine wouldn't be setting their military up next to civilian buildings if Russia hadn't invaded.
(08-04-2022 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of irrelevant. Russian terrorists are bombing civilian areas anyway.
Exactly. In fact--its even more basic than that---the Russians are trying to TAKE civilian areas and the the Ukrainians are defending them. So---duh---yeah, the Ukrainians are "operating near homes" or hospitals---so are the Russians. If Putin's Russian Orc's were not trying to take cities in Ukraine----Im guessing there wouldnt be any Ukrainian troops in these areas----just saying......
(08-04-2022 09:38 AM)Todor Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:31 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:09 AM)b2b Wrote: [ -> ]They sound a lot like our Muslim friends in the Middle East.
Somebody said this a while back when all the weak minded started waving ukraine flags.
Guess who that somebody was
I know who.
When armies hide among civilians, it’s because their objectives have absolutely nothing to do with the civilians of that country. They are on a mission, but it absolutely isn’t to protect the people of the country.
Russia watched Ukraine army not care about Ukrainian civilians for 8 years in Donbas.
Thats because the Russian Army was busy killing them. You do realize Russia is directly responsible for a substantial portion of 14,000 dead in Donbas since 2014? Of the 14,000 killed---10,800 were combatants (combined casualties from the UAF/NGU/DPR/LPR/Russian Army). Roughly 3393 casualties were innocent civilians caught up in the fighting---but the vast majority of the dead were combatants on either side. Eight percent of those civillians came from a single incident when Donbas forces using Russian supplied missiles shot down an airliner. Roughly a third of the 14K alone is Ukrainian forces (Ukrainian Army and territorial volunteer forces). The idea that "Ukrainian Nazis" killed 14K civilians in Donbas is just more Russian propaganda swallowed whole and blindly spewed by Todor in a attempt to help Putin spin some Twilight Zone level alternate reality.
(08-04-2022 09:58 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: [ -> ]I think both sides are terrible.
That said, Ukraine wouldn't be setting their military up next to civilian buildings if Russia hadn't invaded.
And Russia wouldn’t have invaded if Kiev had implemented Minsk II. But as Petro Poroshenko stated, they signed the agreement to buy time to build up their army to retake the 2 areas that declared Independence after the US lead coup.
The Ukraine pity party is a sham because they have shown no concern for their own citizens lives.
(08-04-2022 10:31 AM)Todor Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:58 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: [ -> ]I think both sides are terrible.
That said, Ukraine wouldn't be setting their military up next to civilian buildings if Russia hadn't invaded.
And Russia wouldn’t have invaded if Kiev had implemented Minsk II. But as Petro Poroshenko stated, they signed the agreement to buy time to build up their army to retake the 2 areas that declared Independence after the US lead coup.
The Ukraine pity party is a sham because they have shown no concern for their own citizens lives.
And the Russians are treating the Ukrainian citizens so much better---reducing cities to rubble and executing thousands of Ukrainain civilians (its not a Russian party until there are mass graves to fill). Fortunately, Ukrainians have proven adept at killing Russians and grinding them down to the point the Russians are now arming their Orcs with 1970's era Soviet tanks and equipment. We just need to keep sending Ukraine weapons and they will prevent the Russians from ever being a threat to NATO again. Putins strategy of destroying his own Army is going to work out very well long term for NATO.
Yep, Ukraine keeps on winning and winning. And getting smaller and smaller.
(08-04-2022 11:13 AM)Todor Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, Ukraine keeps on winning and winning. And getting smaller and smaller.
lol---said the Germans in 1941......and yet what Russia originally expected to be a cake walk "two week" lighting war (sorry---"special operation") has now drug on for 6 months with no end in sight. Has the front moved in the last month? Hard to tell.
Unless Crimea, LPR and DPR magically return to Ukraine, Ukraine definitely is getting smaller.
Ukraine can laugh all they want about dragging out a war they can’t win, but we’ll see if they’re smiling this Winter, or next Spring if there is anyone left in the country who hasn’t immigrated yet.
If Ukraine keeps following Washingtons orders, hiding in cities, bragging about winning, and not negotiating on behalf of its own people, it won’t matter. Their government has sold them out for money. Just like their previous governments they wanted rid of so badly.
Amnesty Intl called it right.
(08-04-2022 10:29 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:38 AM)Todor Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:31 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:09 AM)b2b Wrote: [ -> ]They sound a lot like our Muslim friends in the Middle East.
Somebody said this a while back when all the weak minded started waving ukraine flags.
Guess who that somebody was
I know who.
When armies hide among civilians, it’s because their objectives have absolutely nothing to do with the civilians of that country. They are on a mission, but it absolutely isn’t to protect the people of the country.
Russia watched Ukraine army not care about Ukrainian civilians for 8 years in Donbas.
Thats because the Russian Army was busy killing them. You do realize Russia is directly responsible for a substantial portion of 14,000 dead in Donbas since 2014? Of the 14,000 killed---10,800 were combatants (combined casualties from the UAF/NGU/DPR/LPR/Russian Army). Roughly 3393 casualties were innocent civilians caught up in the fighting---but the vast majority of the dead were combatants on either side. Eight percent of those civillians came from a single incident when Donbas forces using Russian supplied missiles shot down an airliner. Roughly a third of the 14K alone is Ukrainian forces (Ukrainian Army and territorial volunteer forces). The idea that "Ukrainian Nazis" killed 14K civilians in Donbas is just more Russian propaganda swallowed whole and blindly spewed by Todor in a attempt to help Putin spin some Twilight Zone level alternate reality.
Right. There are UN statistics on the civilians killed. The numbers have been dwindling month by month since 2014. And there are roughly equal numbers killed by the Ukrainians and the Russian orcs. Some months a couple more killed by the Russians. Some months a couple more killed by the Ukrainians.
Ukraine is a money laundering cesspool. Everyone in power there (and here) is simply cashing in. And we’re the ones paying for it.
Speaking of the Twilight Zone…that’s where Ukraine regains the territory it’s lost.
(08-04-2022 10:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 10:31 AM)Todor Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 09:58 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: [ -> ]I think both sides are terrible.
That said, Ukraine wouldn't be setting their military up next to civilian buildings if Russia hadn't invaded.
And Russia wouldn’t have invaded if Kiev had implemented Minsk II. But as Petro Poroshenko stated, they signed the agreement to buy time to build up their army to retake the 2 areas that declared Independence after the US lead coup.
The Ukraine pity party is a sham because they have shown no concern for their own citizens lives.
And the Russians are treating the Ukrainian citizens so much better---reducing cities to rubble and executing thousands of Ukrainain civilians (its not a Russian party until there are mass graves to fill). Fortunately, Ukrainians have proven adept at killing Russians and grinding them down to the point the Russians are now arming their Orcs with 1970's era Soviet tanks and equipment. We just need to keep sending Ukraine weapons and they will prevent the Russians from ever being a threat to NATO again. Putins strategy of destroying his own Army is going to work out very well long term for NATO.
Well one of their people in the Duma was talking about taking Ukrainian children to Russia and teaching and training them. Sounds kind of like a Hitler Youth.
They can't even take good care of their own orphans. Now they plan to take Ukrainian children from their parents and family.
(08-04-2022 11:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (08-04-2022 11:13 AM)Todor Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, Ukraine keeps on winning and winning. And getting smaller and smaller.
lol---said the Germans in 1941......and yet what Russia originally expected to be a cake walk "two week" lighting war (sorry---"special operation") has now drug on for 6 months with no end in sight. Has the front moved in the last month? Hard to tell.
Well the Russians have about 20% of the country. A month into the war, they had about 30%. After the Russians being driven out of the north, you need to really zoom in on the maps to see the changes.
On the news I see one glorious Ukrainian success story after another. Cuz that’s what keeps them getting our money.
Who has more grit and determination regarding Ukraine? Russians? Or American taxpayers during a recession and massive inflation?