This isn't a flame, just a question.
Notre Dame has an agreement with Big East that as far as bowls are concerned, they may be considered part of the Big East. So when Notre Dame takes a spot in one of their bowls (BCS, Gator, etc), do they have to pay a portion of the payout to the Big East, or do they get to keep it all for themselves?
And if they do have to payout for a Big East Bowl, do they still have to when they are playing in a Bowl as an At-Large?
next04 Wrote:This isn't a flame, just a question.
Notre Dame has an agreement with Big East that as far as bowls are concerned, they may be considered part of the Big East. So when Notre Dame takes a spot in one of their bowls (BCS, Gator, etc), do they have to pay a portion of the payout to the Big East, or do they get to keep it all for themselves?
And if they do have to payout for a Big East Bowl, do they still have to when they are playing in a Bowl as an At-Large?
1. Notre Dame has no influence or say in the Big East BCS Bid. They get their bid with one of the two at large bids in 2005 and starting in 2006 if they earn a bid it will be one of the 4 at large bids. They must have 9 wins and be ranked Top 12 to be considered or Top 8 to receive an Automatic At Large Bid.
2. In order for ND to take one of the Non BCS Bowl spots from the Big East they must be within 1 game of the Big East team. For example a 7-4 Notre Dame team cannot take a Gator Bowl bid from a 9-2 Syracuse team.
3. And this part really sucks, ND keeps their Bowl money.
Maize Wrote:3. And this part really sucks, ND keeps their Bowl money.
That doesn't suck. It's completely justified. The Gator, Sun, and Houston bowls are giving opportunities to the BE only because of the prospect of getting Notre Dame.
Maize Wrote:2. In order for ND to take one of the Non BCS Bowl spots from the Big East they must be within 1 game of the Big East team. For example a 7-4 Notre Dame team cannot take a Gator Bowl bid from a 9-2 Syracuse team.
I'd like to see the source on this. I just can not imagine the Sun Bowl passing up even a 6-5 Notre Dame team for a 9-2 anybody.
MinerTavo Wrote:Maize Wrote:2. In order for ND to take one of the Non BCS Bowl spots from the Big East they must be within 1 game of the Big East team. For example a 7-4 Notre Dame team cannot take a Gator Bowl bid from a 9-2 Syracuse team.
I'd like to see the source on this. I just can not imagine the Sun Bowl passing up even a 6-5 Notre Dame team for a 9-2 anybody.
I don't have a link off hand but as an ACC fan I can confirm that the Gator Bowl has had to deal with this provision, or at least one very similar. That's part of the trade-off: ND gets to keep all their money but they must meet certain performance measures and can only be in said bowl once every X number of years. That way ND doesn't get every bowl bid possible.
Keep in mind that ND needs stuff like this, too. Without a willing conference partner, the Irish would still find some bowl options but they may be fewer in number and less attractive. So long as Bowls and conferences move in lock step the Irish will always need some leverage to open the door to games they really want.
MinerTavo Wrote:Maize Wrote:2. In order for ND to take one of the Non BCS Bowl spots from the Big East they must be within 1 game of the Big East team. For example a 7-4 Notre Dame team cannot take a Gator Bowl bid from a 9-2 Syracuse team.
I'd like to see the source on this. I just can not imagine the Sun Bowl passing up even a 6-5 Notre Dame team for a 9-2 anybody.
That's the rule, flat out. It's not even something that is debated or whatnot.
In the Big East, after the BCS team, bowls can pick who they want but if they are "jumping" or "skipping over" a team in conference, the team they select can only be a maximum of 1 game behind the team that was skipped over.
Meaning, no matter how many fans certain teams bring, a bowl cannot take a 7-4 UofL over a 9-2 Rutgers, but they could take a 8-3 WVU over a 9-2 UConn.
As for how our relationship is with Notre Dame, the same exact rule applies, except it is for
overall schedule. Sure, they may want a 6-5 Notre Dame over a 8-3 Syracuse, but they can't have them. As for how this would apply right now, look at Notre Dame and UofL.
Both are 7-2 currently. ND looks very likely to win the last 2 and go to a BCS bowl. However, if Syracuse or Stanford upset ND, an 8-3 ND is going to the Gator Bowl. UofL has a very good shot to finish at 9-2. If that was the case, they'd still take an 8-3 Notre Dame over 9-2 UofL. However, if 10,000 to 1 odds came true and ND lost to BOTH Stanford and Syracuse, the Gator
cannot take a 7-4 ND if a 9-2 UofL is available.
The PAC-10 is way more extreme than the BE. They almost force the bowls to take the teams in the order they finished conference play. They usually only grant exceptions for times where a bowl would be a rematch from earlier that season or the same PAC-10 team played there last year.
First off, Syracuse couldn't beat Colgate this year, so ND is safe. Their is a rule in the BE and it is called the "plus one" rule. ND has to be within one game record wise of a BE team or the bowl is forced to take a BE team. BE fans are very hypocritical when it comes to ND. They can't stand that ND can take one of their bowls, but without ND they would not have any part of the Gator or Sun. Leaving them with Charlotte and part of Houston.
The rule's creation was actually because of WVU and not ND. In 96 the Gator Bowl took a WVU team that was 4-3 in conference over a 6-1 Miami and 6-1 Syracuse. The rule applies to conference records when it's 2 conference schools and overall record with ND.
I'm pretty sure that the Gator Bowl got rid of the "within one game" rule in order to have greater access to ND. That rule was in effect through last bowl season but I do not believe that is the rule any longer. I'm trying to look back in some of my files to find the article where I read that, but I'm almost positive that rule is no longer in existance.
bk1714 Wrote:The rule's creation was actually because of WVU and not ND. In 96 the Gator Bowl took a WVU team that was 4-3 in conference over a 6-1 Miami and 6-1 Syracuse. The rule applies to conference records when it's 2 conference schools and overall record with ND.
Au contraire
The Gator Bowl took an 8-3 West Virginia team over a 9-2 Miami team and a 9-2 Syracuse team.
They took West Virginia because West Virginia sells tickets and Miami and Syracuse don't.
And under the one loss rule, West Virginia would still have gotten the bid.
It has nothing to do with conference record.
The Gator cannot take 6-5 Notre Dame over 8-3 Pittsburgh, and it was the same with the Insight Bowl and the Charlotte bowl, will be with the Sun Bowl and the Houston Bowl.