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I expect more PAC 12 schools to follow. Looks like we may end up with two super conferences (Big 10/SEC). Not sure if this affects the MAC at all unless they leave the NCAA in football.

Things are just getting downright dumb. Greedy people are killing college football and taking away all the things that made it fun. Regional rivalries, bowl affiliations, conferences that just don't make sense. It's getting too crazy for me.

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Either the G5 breaks away and tries to survive with help from ESPN and CBS sports giving it national exposure or schools like Toledo drop to FCS.

The writing is on the wall for schools like Toledo

Bill Walton is gonna lose his damn mind.

Yep, 2 super conferences, the Big 10 and the SEC will be competing against each other. That maybe all you will see on the ESPNs of the world. MONEY, and more money from the TV networks. This will be your minor league football for the NFL.

(06-30-2022 08:01 PM)emanoh Wrote: [ -> ]Things are just getting downright dumb. Greedy people are killing college football and taking away all the things that made it fun. Regional rivalries, bowl affiliations, conferences that just don't make sense. It's getting too crazy for me.

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Agreed.

(06-30-2022 08:15 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote: [ -> ]Either the G5 breaks away and tries to survive with help from ESPN and CBS sports giving it national exposure or schools like Toledo drop to FCS.

The writing is on the wall for schools like Toledo

And agree with this also.

I think Toledo will survive in some capacity !!
Whether it will be a total G5 separation and playoff for the Fresno States, Toledos, and Marshall’s of the world, I would not have a problem with a FCS style championship run with schools like that in the mix…
We were never going to have a legitimate shot with the way it is set up now against the big boys …
The Golden Rule of college football - the schools with all the gold make all the rules !!

What if 24 teams or so are in the B1G, and 24 or so in the SEC/ACC... do they stop at 48?
and 24 in the PAC/BIG12/MWC... do they stop at 72?
How about 24 in the SBC/AAC/MAC/CUSA? Thats 96.

72 is closer to a perfect field but still less than current bowl teams. If we dont make the top 96 we probably dont deserve D1A status anyway. I want an avenue to the playoff. But a WAY stronger FCS or D1aa may not be that bad if SDSU and App State are there with us.

I dont think a ton of playoff spots are available, but a couple may be in a 96 team model. I have a hard time believing The Big12 will be in the same spot as the MAC capped at 48. Too many good teams left over. From Baylor to BYU to Boise to Cincy to Arizona to Maryland(no way B1G still wants em still). The worlds largest domino affect started when Nebraska left for the B1G over a decade ago. Its still falling.

(07-01-2022 06:44 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]What if 24 teams or so are in the B1G, and 24 or so in the SEC/ACC... do they stop at 48?
and 24 in the PAC/BIG12/MWC... do they stop at 72?
How about 24 in the SBC/AAC/MAC/CUSA? Thats 96.

72 is closer to a perfect field but still less than current bowl teams. If we dont make the top 96 we probably dont deserve D1A status anyway. I want an avenue to the playoff. But a WAY stronger FCS or D1aa may not be that bad if SDSU and App State are there with us.

I dont think a ton of playoff spots are available, but a couple may be in a 96 team model. I have a hard time believing The Big12 will be in the same spot as the MAC capped at 48. Too many good teams left over. From Baylor to BYU to Boise to Cincy to Arizona to Maryland(no way B1G still wants em still). The worlds largest domino affect started when Nebraska left for the B1G over a decade ago. Its still falling.

If the Big Ten has a huge number of schools, it's possible they won't play any non-conference games. Of course, that would mean more loses overall. And it would take away big money from the MAC. I still think they go after more PAC 12 schools (AAU members like Stanford, Cal, Washington and Oregon and maybe Colorado to get a west coast division.

(07-01-2022 09:38 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-01-2022 06:44 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]What if 24 teams or so are in the B1G, and 24 or so in the SEC/ACC... do they stop at 48?
and 24 in the PAC/BIG12/MWC... do they stop at 72?
How about 24 in the SBC/AAC/MAC/CUSA? Thats 96.

72 is closer to a perfect field but still less than current bowl teams. If we dont make the top 96 we probably dont deserve D1A status anyway. I want an avenue to the playoff. But a WAY stronger FCS or D1aa may not be that bad if SDSU and App State are there with us.

I dont think a ton of playoff spots are available, but a couple may be in a 96 team model. I have a hard time believing The Big12 will be in the same spot as the MAC capped at 48. Too many good teams left over. From Baylor to BYU to Boise to Cincy to Arizona to Maryland(no way B1G still wants em still). The worlds largest domino affect started when Nebraska left for the B1G over a decade ago. Its still falling.

If the Big Ten has a huge number of schools, it's possible they won't play any non-conference games. Of course, that would mean more loses overall. And it would take away big money from the MAC. I still think they go after more PAC 12 schools (AAU members like Stanford, Cal, Washington and Oregon and maybe Colorado to get a west coast division.

Less big money games are on the horizon but I dont think none. Colorado will be needing wins outside of their 9 or 10 game conf schedule just to get to .500. Its about our AD and how he navigates these waters to stay afloat and schedule the best of his ability. But id rather play WKU, Marshall and Navy over Georgia and Purdue anyways...

Clemson and FSU to SEC quickly and likewise for UNC and Duke to Big 10

Go Rockets!

(07-01-2022 04:53 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ]Clemson and FSU to SEC quickly and likewise for UNC and Duke to Big 10

Go Rockets!

Big Ten staying pat for now:https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...t-for-now/

(07-01-2022 05:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-01-2022 04:53 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ]Clemson and FSU to SEC quickly and likewise for UNC and Duke to Big 10

Go Rockets!

Big Ten staying pat for now:https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...t-for-now/

Reports are that ND is heavily considering, and Oregon would join them.

As far as Clemson and FSU, they are locked into a Grant of Rights until 2036. Basically, that means that they owe the ACC a share of their media rights equal to the share they would've received from the ACC until 2036 if they leave. This means that they'd need to make at least $40M more per year to make the move worthwhile for them.

(07-01-2022 07:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-01-2022 05:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-01-2022 04:53 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ]Clemson and FSU to SEC quickly and likewise for UNC and Duke to Big 10

Go Rockets!

Big Ten staying pat for now:https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...t-for-now/

Reports are that ND is heavily considering, and Oregon would join them.

As far as Clemson and FSU, they are locked into a Grant of Rights until 2036. Basically, that means that they owe the ACC a share of their media rights equal to the share they would've received from the ACC until 2036 if they leave. This means that they'd need to make at least $40M more per year to make the move worthwhile for them.

ND isn't an AAU member. Not enough research.

(07-01-2022 08:33 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-01-2022 07:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-01-2022 05:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-01-2022 04:53 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ]Clemson and FSU to SEC quickly and likewise for UNC and Duke to Big 10

Go Rockets!

Big Ten staying pat for now:https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...t-for-now/

Reports are that ND is heavily considering, and Oregon would join them.

As far as Clemson and FSU, they are locked into a Grant of Rights until 2036. Basically, that means that they owe the ACC a share of their media rights equal to the share they would've received from the ACC until 2036 if they leave. This means that they'd need to make at least $40M more per year to make the move worthwhile for them.

ND isn't an AAU member. Not enough research.

ACC?

These mega-conferences will only survive if they separate from a larger governing authority. They will eventually become different leagues entirely.

The leagues ultimately will consume themselves as the lower level schools in each conference will struggle to survive even with additional revenue. It’s a joke if you think the Big 10 is standing Pat. They STABBED the PAC 12 in the back after having a working agreement moving forward. I have no respect for the commissioner of the Big 10 after that move. The conference has no credibility. Why believe anything they say, do, or represent?

I bet the Big 12 completely regrets taking BYU, UH, UC and UCF at this point. They could have UA, ASU, UU, UCo and possibly UW and O. UCF and UH are good additions based on demographics but UC not so much. A premature move by Big 12. Teams will get ousted. This is headed in many crazy directions. Big 12 did a too quick reaction. They’re in regret mode now.

WVU back to ACC and Miami to SEC with a team yet to be announced. All likely scenarios. I don’t believe for an instance that FSU and Clemson cannot jump to SEC. Dollars talk in both directions. Many analysts see it as happening.

Go Rockets!

(07-02-2022 02:56 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ]I bet the Big 12 completely regrets taking BYU, UH, UC and UCF at this point. They could have UA, ASU, UU, UCo and possibly UW and O. UCF and UH are good additions based on demographics but UC not so much. A premature move by Big 12. Teams will get ousted. This is headed in many crazy directions. Big 12 did a too quick reaction. They’re in regret mode now.

WVU back to ACC and Miami to SEC with a team yet to be announced. All likely scenarios. I don’t believe for an instance that FSU and Clemson cannot jump to SEC. Dollars talk in both directions. Many analysts see it as happening.

Go Rockets!

West Virginia has never been in the ACC. Academics too crappy.

(07-02-2022 02:56 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ]I bet the Big 12 completely regrets taking BYU, UH, UC and UCF at this point. They could have UA, ASU, UU, UCo and possibly UW and O. UCF and UH are good additions based on demographics but UC not so much. A premature move by Big 12. Teams will get ousted. This is headed in many crazy directions. Big 12 did a too quick reaction. They’re in regret mode now.

WVU back to ACC and Miami to SEC with a team yet to be announced. All likely scenarios. I don’t believe for an instance that FSU and Clemson cannot jump to SEC. Dollars talk in both directions. Many analysts see it as happening.

Go Rockets!

There have been 3 separate times when the ACC could've added WVU and they havent...they clearly don't want them.

Cincinnati has had better viewership numbers than 8/10 of the remaining Big 12 teams over the last 5 years, and better competition metrics than 7/10 of them over the last 10 years. Personal prejudice aside, they are objectively the best of the 4 schools added by basically every metric (national marketability, program perception, academics, alumni base and independent revenue generation, wtc.), and that has been echoed by multiple consultants reports pulled from Big 12 schools in FOIA requests over the last year.

If the Big 12 wants schools so bad, they could convince them eight now and have an arguably BETTER situation than they would've if they wouldn't have added them previously (which wasn't going to happen, because the Pac 12 was stable and the Big 12 needed schools in there and couldn't rely on USC and UCLA leaving). Hell, there was no talk of the Big 12 being able to pull Pac 12 teams at the time, they had to add teams to stop their own members from sniffing around and this USC/UCLA move clearly caught everyone off guard. Revisionist history is a hell of a drug though.

As for the current situation, I think 1 of 3 scenarios will play out.

1) Big 10 gets ND and Oregon, or, if ND decides not to join, gets Oregon and Washington. After losing their 3rd of 3 prime TV properties, the rest of the Pac 12 end up coming to terms with the conference's demise and petition other conferences for entry. Big 12 adds UA, ASU, CU, and UU, Oregon State and Washington State end up relegated to the MWC, and Stanford and Cal do what their admin has been talking about for the last few years and lean into Ivy League status by pulling back on athletics completely.

2) Big 10 stays pat at 16, no one leaves the Pac 12, but in order to stabilize and provide more content, they add San Diego State and UNLV to get back to 12 and maintain some market share in two huge media markets.

3) Big 10 gets ND and they add Kansas from the Big 12 (due to basketball and academic prowess). SEC decides to go wild and adds Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal. The remaining teams in the Pac 1w and Big 12 merge, and things are settled for a time.

I think #1 is FAR the more likely outcome of the 3 at this point.