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The vote on an 8 game or 9 game @SEC Football schedule is split 8/8. Both Texas and Oklahoma get a vote since they will be joining the league and the schedule formats will include them but they do not have representatives here in Sandestin this week.


https://twitter.com/trey1037thebuzz/stat...ThpCRWorFg

Not seeing any leaks anywhere. Sadly not any follow up.
Here the Alabama AD explains the appeal of 8 games:

https://apnews.com/article/college-footb...7fd9eef5ac

Does not say how he voted. Saban certainly has stumped for 9 games but as I’ve often said, the power ADs probably like their greater scheduling control (more home games, more $$ neutral games).

Florida and Georgia certainly fit that description too, especially with 1 OOC game already locked in. LSU has played a number of neutral games too.

Will keep searching.
Will also note that some articles are posted saying the league is “split on whether to keep divisions” and also “choosing between a 1-7 or 3-6 scheduling model.”

Garbage in, garbage out. That “1-7” model was never viable and was likely a pundit strawman; the above statements are mutually exclusive; most of what is coming out of Destin is obviously hacked together.

Anybody find some real reporting?
They'll need to keep 8 or 9 as an open question until we know more about a variety of issues:

1. When does OU and UT actually come on board?

2. What if anything is agreed upon with regards to the CFP?

3. Will there be a breakaway from the NCAA? If so who and how many are involved and do they play within a closed system.

4. Will ESPN want their family of conferences to which the hold rights keep P5 scheduling between themselves?

So, I think they keep this question open, acclimate the public to the idea it will change, and then change it when it is necessary. They likely have contingencies already drawn up.
I'm surprised that this has been so "public" (in SEC terms, not Big 10 terms). Normally there would be no vote until it was at least "officially" unanimous.
The guess here is that those with ACC rivals (Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida) vote for 8, however, I question that thinking because 1-7 means Georgia-Auburn wouldn't be guaranteed. TN has been lumped in with "have nots" in this debate, but they have enough rivalries that I would think 3-6 makes sense for them too.
I'm hoping for the 9 game schedule with 3 permanent rivals. I see the want for 8 game conference schedule, especially for those teams that have annual instate matchups that are out of conference (likely including OU vs OSU along with the SEC-ACC matchups). But there's also several schools that wouldn't want to give up annual games vs multiple conference schools. I still think Alabama will play both Tennessee and Auburn every year. Auburn also plays Georgia every year. And Georgia also plays Florida every year. Those are all huge rivalries, I can't see only half of them existing on a yearly basis.

As an Aggie, I also want to play that school in Austin every year, and if the plan with only 1 permanent rival wins out you know that school would play OU on an annual basis instead, and the rumors of A&M not wanting to play them would continue.

I'm pretty sure the two division idea doesn't get chosen either. While moving the Alabama schools to the East and Mizzou to the West along with the newbies would allow 8 conference games and all the major rivalries to continue on a yearly basis, it would take 16 years to get every school to play at each location, and I just don't see that happening.
(06-02-2022 09:37 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping for the 9 game schedule with 3 permanent rivals. I see the want for 8 game conference schedule, especially for those teams that have annual instate matchups that are out of conference (likely including OU vs OSU along with the SEC-ACC matchups). But there's also several schools that wouldn't want to give up annual games vs multiple conference schools. I still think Alabama will play both Tennessee and Auburn every year. Auburn also plays Georgia every year. And Georgia also plays Florida every year. Those are all huge rivalries, I can't see only half of them existing on a yearly basis.

As an Aggie, I also want to play that school in Austin every year, and if the plan with only 1 permanent rival wins out you know that school would play OU on an annual basis instead, and the rumors of A&M not wanting to play them would continue.

I'm pretty sure the two division idea doesn't get chosen either. While moving the Alabama schools to the East and Mizzou to the West along with the newbies would allow 8 conference games and all the major rivalries to continue on a yearly basis, it would take 16 years to get every school to play at each location, and I just don't see that happening.

There's a guy on a local chat room in Destin and he says 3 permanent rivals is most likely. We'll see. A 3-3-3 model works very well. 3 divisional games, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions, Then you rotate 1 from each of the 3 divisions each year and change home and away on the rotation. That essentially gives everyone 6 annual conference games and 3 rotating ones.
(06-02-2022 04:42 AM)Crayton Wrote: [ -> ]Will also note that some articles are posted saying the league is “split on whether to keep divisions” and also “choosing between a 1-7 or 3-6 scheduling model.”

Garbage in, garbage out. That “1-7” model was never viable and was likely a pundit strawman; the above statements are mutually exclusive; most of what is coming out of Destin is obviously hacked together.

Anybody find some real reporting?

Florida's AD has as much as said the 1-7 and 3-6 models are the ones they're debating right now. (Also said he likes the idea of playing 9 conference games.)

"Don't know where we're going to end up on what happens going forward other than it does appear we're going to have a lot more rotation and have the ability to see everybody in every stadium once in a 4-year period. Both models that are being discussed do that, which obviously is going to be very positive for the fans."

https://twitter.com/TreyWallace_/status/...3994451969
Arkansas, Kentucky and Mississippi State are reportedly leading the charge for 8.

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-colu...59292.html

*oops, meant Mississippi State
(06-02-2022 03:34 PM)chester Wrote: [ -> ]Arkansas, Kentucky and Mississippi State are reportedly leading the charge for 8.

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-colu...59292.html

*oops, meant Mississippi State

I can understand their perspective, but honestly, it's thinking that is based in the last decade.

They've already relaxed qualifications for bowl entry while simultaneously increasing the number of bowl games. Now if those games don't continue into the future paradigm then 1) we'd be talking about a post season reserved for the elite so what does it really matter if you've got 5, 6, or 7 wins, and 2) we're coming to a place where FCS squads and maybe even G5s will be phased out of the schedules.

It's all a natural progression and it can't be stopped at this point.
(06-02-2022 10:34 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2022 09:37 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping for the 9 game schedule with 3 permanent rivals. I see the want for 8 game conference schedule, especially for those teams that have annual instate matchups that are out of conference (likely including OU vs OSU along with the SEC-ACC matchups). But there's also several schools that wouldn't want to give up annual games vs multiple conference schools. I still think Alabama will play both Tennessee and Auburn every year. Auburn also plays Georgia every year. And Georgia also plays Florida every year. Those are all huge rivalries, I can't see only half of them existing on a yearly basis.

As an Aggie, I also want to play that school in Austin every year, and if the plan with only 1 permanent rival wins out you know that school would play OU on an annual basis instead, and the rumors of A&M not wanting to play them would continue.

I'm pretty sure the two division idea doesn't get chosen either. While moving the Alabama schools to the East and Mizzou to the West along with the newbies would allow 8 conference games and all the major rivalries to continue on a yearly basis, it would take 16 years to get every school to play at each location, and I just don't see that happening.

There's a guy on a local chat room in Destin and he says 3 permanent rivals is most likely. We'll see. A 3-3-3 model works very well. 3 divisional games, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions, Then you rotate 1 from each of the 3 divisions each year and change home and away on the rotation. That essentially gives everyone 6 annual conference games and 3 rotating ones.

Sounds nice, but might as well go to a 6-3-3-3 so every team gets the majority of their rivals or protected matches they want.

Would love to find some examples of the 3-3-3.
(06-03-2022 10:43 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2022 10:34 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2022 09:37 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping for the 9 game schedule with 3 permanent rivals. I see the want for 8 game conference schedule, especially for those teams that have annual instate matchups that are out of conference (likely including OU vs OSU along with the SEC-ACC matchups). But there's also several schools that wouldn't want to give up annual games vs multiple conference schools. I still think Alabama will play both Tennessee and Auburn every year. Auburn also plays Georgia every year. And Georgia also plays Florida every year. Those are all huge rivalries, I can't see only half of them existing on a yearly basis.

As an Aggie, I also want to play that school in Austin every year, and if the plan with only 1 permanent rival wins out you know that school would play OU on an annual basis instead, and the rumors of A&M not wanting to play them would continue.

I'm pretty sure the two division idea doesn't get chosen either. While moving the Alabama schools to the East and Mizzou to the West along with the newbies would allow 8 conference games and all the major rivalries to continue on a yearly basis, it would take 16 years to get every school to play at each location, and I just don't see that happening.

There's a guy on a local chat room in Destin and he says 3 permanent rivals is most likely. We'll see. A 3-3-3 model works very well. 3 divisional games, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions, Then you rotate 1 from each of the 3 divisions each year and change home and away on the rotation. That essentially gives everyone 6 annual conference games and 3 rotating ones.

Sounds nice, but might as well go to a 6-3-3-3 so every team gets the majority of their rivals or protected matches they want.

Would love to find some examples of the 3-3-3.

For a 7 game conference schedule it was the old WAC when it used the rotational half division format (pods) for 16 members. I simply modified it for 9 conference games. What it yeilds are 6 annual games (3 divisional and 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3, and a rotation of 1 each from the other 3. All schools play each other every 3 years.
(06-02-2022 05:47 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2022 03:34 PM)chester Wrote: [ -> ]Arkansas, Kentucky and Mississippi State are reportedly leading the charge for 8.

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-colu...59292.html

*oops, meant Mississippi State

I can understand their perspective, but honestly, it's thinking that is based in the last decade.

They've already relaxed qualifications for bowl entry while simultaneously increasing the number of bowl games. Now if those games don't continue into the future paradigm then 1) we'd be talking about a post season reserved for the elite so what does it really matter if you've got 5, 6, or 7 wins, and 2) we're coming to a place where FCS squads and maybe even G5s will be phased out of the schedules.

It's all a natural progression and it can't be stopped at this point.

Good points. I wonder if a school like Kentucky is even better off total win-wise with 1-7 instead of 3-6. I mean considering they'd probably lose Vandy as a yearly w/1-7... Not sure 3-6 with a relatively weak set of annuals is tougher than that.

Anyway, they should all celebrate the opportunity to play another conference game. Wish they'd do 10, really.
(06-03-2022 10:43 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2022 10:34 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-02-2022 09:37 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping for the 9 game schedule with 3 permanent rivals. I see the want for 8 game conference schedule, especially for those teams that have annual instate matchups that are out of conference (likely including OU vs OSU along with the SEC-ACC matchups). But there's also several schools that wouldn't want to give up annual games vs multiple conference schools. I still think Alabama will play both Tennessee and Auburn every year. Auburn also plays Georgia every year. And Georgia also plays Florida every year. Those are all huge rivalries, I can't see only half of them existing on a yearly basis.

As an Aggie, I also want to play that school in Austin every year, and if the plan with only 1 permanent rival wins out you know that school would play OU on an annual basis instead, and the rumors of A&M not wanting to play them would continue.

I'm pretty sure the two division idea doesn't get chosen either. While moving the Alabama schools to the East and Mizzou to the West along with the newbies would allow 8 conference games and all the major rivalries to continue on a yearly basis, it would take 16 years to get every school to play at each location, and I just don't see that happening.

There's a guy on a local chat room in Destin and he says 3 permanent rivals is most likely. We'll see. A 3-3-3 model works very well. 3 divisional games, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions, Then you rotate 1 from each of the 3 divisions each year and change home and away on the rotation. That essentially gives everyone 6 annual conference games and 3 rotating ones.

Sounds nice, but might as well go to a 6-3-3-3 so every team gets the majority of their rivals or protected matches they want.

Would love to find some examples of the 3-3-3.

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This is my example of a 3-3-3 format, you'd play every team in both your column and row each season, then rotate 3 from the remaining 9 schools.

For example Alabama would play LSU, Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss every year. They'd also play Texas, Vandy, and Oklahoma in year 1, then play A&M, Kentucky, and South Carolina in year 2, then Arkansas, Missouri, and Georgia in year 3. Years 4-6 would be repeating 1-3 but with home/road reversed.

You can of course move schools into different rows/columns as you wish, this was just an example trying to preserve a lot of rivalries.
I favor protecting permanent OOC in-state P5 rivalries. And creating other SEC members for in-state or out-of-state scheduling at the P5 level.

USC, UGA, UF, & UK have it. OU probably also with oSu.

Ta&m & UT could easily do it in-state among (Baylor, TTU, TCU, or Houston).

Arkansas, Mizzou, Tenn., & Vandy could do it with neighboring state schools. (Examples: Vandy vs WFU or Duke; Tenn. vs VT or NC or NCSU; ARK vs a Tex B12 or Kanas B12. Mizzou vs Kansas.

Auburn, Alabama, LSU, MSU, Miss. have had their SEC geographic advantages. They can cooperate and find “routine and consistent” P-level OOCs. Extra travel would be in order, but that’s the point, comparatively.

8 or 9 conference fb games, this could be structured and offers more scheduling equity, usually.
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