05-26-2022, 11:12 AM
05-26-2022, 12:49 PM
The secret service is banning them during Trump's speech. It's their job to keep the former President alive. Not rocket science. Secret Service has authority to do this even in open carry states. I understand the left is using it as some kind of ironic talking point though.
05-26-2022, 01:03 PM
(05-26-2022 12:49 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]The secret service is banning them during Trump's speech. It's their job to keep the former President alive. Not rocket science. Secret Service has authority to do this even in open carry states. I understand the left is using it as some kind of ironic talking point though.You're right. It's not rocket science. An organization tasked with keeping a person alive has concluded guns shouldn't be around.
05-26-2022, 01:08 PM
(05-26-2022 01:03 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 12:49 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]The secret service is banning them during Trump's speech. It's their job to keep the former President alive. Not rocket science. Secret Service has authority to do this even in open carry states. I understand the left is using it as some kind of ironic talking point though.You're right. It's not rocket science. An organization tasked with keeping a person alive has concluded guns shouldn't be around.
Maybe the venue doesn’t allow them. I bet fans can’t bring in hockey sticks to any hockey game.
05-26-2022, 01:09 PM
(05-26-2022 01:03 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 12:49 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]The secret service is banning them during Trump's speech. It's their job to keep the former President alive. Not rocket science. Secret Service has authority to do this even in open carry states. I understand the left is using it as some kind of ironic talking point though.You're right. It's not rocket science. An organization tasked with keeping a person alive has concluded guns shouldn't be around.
The Secret Service is banning them. Not the organization.
05-26-2022, 01:14 PM
(05-26-2022 01:09 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]I get it. The Secret Service is doing their job. The NRA is a gun lobbyist group that profits off of killing Elementary School kids. Gun lobbying $$ went up 3X after Sandy Hook. It'll probably go up again after Uvalde, because they'll again tell their followers that their hunting rifle are going to get taken away. Killing Elementary School kids is good for the NRA's sales pitch.(05-26-2022 01:03 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 12:49 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]The secret service is banning them during Trump's speech. It's their job to keep the former President alive. Not rocket science. Secret Service has authority to do this even in open carry states. I understand the left is using it as some kind of ironic talking point though.You're right. It's not rocket science. An organization tasked with keeping a person alive has concluded guns shouldn't be around.
The Secret Service is banning them. Not the organization.
05-26-2022, 01:15 PM
(05-26-2022 01:14 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:09 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]I get it. The Secret Service is doing their job. The NRA is a gun lobbyist group that profits off of killing Elementary School kids. Gun lobbying $$ went up 3X after Sandy Hook. It'll probably go up again for Uvalde, because they'll start spreading lies that your hunting rifle is going to get taken away. Killing Elementary School kids is good for the NRA's sales pitch.(05-26-2022 01:03 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 12:49 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]The secret service is banning them during Trump's speech. It's their job to keep the former President alive. Not rocket science. Secret Service has authority to do this even in open carry states. I understand the left is using it as some kind of ironic talking point though.You're right. It's not rocket science. An organization tasked with keeping a person alive has concluded guns shouldn't be around.
The Secret Service is banning them. Not the organization.
You posted a question that I answered, it seems like you just want to vent. I suggest Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit. You'll have a much larger audience to argue with.
05-26-2022, 01:18 PM
(05-26-2022 01:15 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]It's not that divisive of an issue. 85-90% of Americans agree that we have to pass better gun laws. Unfortunately, one of our two political parties gets funding from a gun lobbyist group. So, nothing will be done. Again.(05-26-2022 01:14 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:09 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]I get it. The Secret Service is doing their job. The NRA is a gun lobbyist group that profits off of killing Elementary School kids. Gun lobbying $$ went up 3X after Sandy Hook. It'll probably go up again for Uvalde, because they'll start spreading lies that your hunting rifle is going to get taken away. Killing Elementary School kids is good for the NRA's sales pitch.(05-26-2022 01:03 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 12:49 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]The secret service is banning them during Trump's speech. It's their job to keep the former President alive. Not rocket science. Secret Service has authority to do this even in open carry states. I understand the left is using it as some kind of ironic talking point though.You're right. It's not rocket science. An organization tasked with keeping a person alive has concluded guns shouldn't be around.
The Secret Service is banning them. Not the organization.
You posted a question that I answered, it seems like you just want to vent. I suggest Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit. You'll have a much larger audience to argue with.
05-26-2022, 01:54 PM
(05-26-2022 01:18 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:15 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]It's not that divisive of an issue. 85-90% of Americans agree that we have to pass better gun laws. Unfortunately, one of our two political parties gets funding from a gun lobbyist group. So, nothing will be done. Again.(05-26-2022 01:14 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:09 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]I get it. The Secret Service is doing their job. The NRA is a gun lobbyist group that profits off of killing Elementary School kids. Gun lobbying $$ went up 3X after Sandy Hook. It'll probably go up again for Uvalde, because they'll start spreading lies that your hunting rifle is going to get taken away. Killing Elementary School kids is good for the NRA's sales pitch.(05-26-2022 01:03 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ]You're right. It's not rocket science. An organization tasked with keeping a person alive has concluded guns shouldn't be around.
The Secret Service is banning them. Not the organization.
You posted a question that I answered, it seems like you just want to vent. I suggest Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit. You'll have a much larger audience to argue with.
Good thing we live in a democracy. If what you say is true and 85-90% of people want that they can vote for people who will do it.
At minimum they should require age 18-21 to get guardian co-sign on firearm purchase. Sounds like his mom and Grandpa knew he was nuts and would not approve of him having a gun.
But, these mass shootings are a very small percentage of gun murders. Things like stop and frisk, mandatory gun related prison time would do much more to decrease overall gun deaths. Just last week, there was a shoot out at Kentwood High school. Cops said over 100 rounds were fired! Gun control doesn't work on the inner city war zones where majority of deaths are coming from.
05-26-2022, 03:03 PM
(05-26-2022 01:54 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]Your assumption is we have a true representative government to the population. We don't.(05-26-2022 01:18 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:15 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]It's not that divisive of an issue. 85-90% of Americans agree that we have to pass better gun laws. Unfortunately, one of our two political parties gets funding from a gun lobbyist group. So, nothing will be done. Again.(05-26-2022 01:14 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:09 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]The Secret Service is banning them. Not the organization.I get it. The Secret Service is doing their job. The NRA is a gun lobbyist group that profits off of killing Elementary School kids. Gun lobbying $$ went up 3X after Sandy Hook. It'll probably go up again for Uvalde, because they'll start spreading lies that your hunting rifle is going to get taken away. Killing Elementary School kids is good for the NRA's sales pitch.
You posted a question that I answered, it seems like you just want to vent. I suggest Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit. You'll have a much larger audience to argue with.
Good thing we live in a democracy. If what you say is true and 85-90% of people want that they can vote for people who will do it.
At minimum they should require age 18-21 to get guardian co-sign on firearm purchase. Sounds like his mom and Grandpa knew he was nuts and would not approve of him having a gun.
But, these mass shootings are a very small percentage of gun murders. Things like stop and frisk, mandatory gun related prison time would do much more to decrease overall gun deaths. Just last week, there was a shoot out at Kentwood High school. Cops said over 100 rounds were fired! Gun control doesn't work on the inner city war zones where majority of deaths are coming from.
North & South Dakota combine for about 1.6M people. They have 4 Senators representing those 1.6M people.
California has 39M people. They have 2 Senators representing those 39M people.
You need 50 Senators & a VP to pass a vote in the Senate. Unless everybody wants to make up a rule which everyone follows like the Filibuster. Then you need a 2/3 majority from 100 Senators who already don't truly represent the population.
And just like that 85% of Americans can believe in something & it won't matter. We'll just have to get used to more Elementary School kids getting murdered.
05-26-2022, 05:45 PM
I personally don’t think general public should have military style weapons but that’s a much bigger discussion.
Seems like more background checks/co-signing for 18-21 year olds is a step in the right direction and something most of this country could get behind/support. It won’t solve the problem fully but would show the public an effort is being made.
Too bad it’ll never happen as long as the NRA has a stranglehold on one of the political parties in this country.
Seems like more background checks/co-signing for 18-21 year olds is a step in the right direction and something most of this country could get behind/support. It won’t solve the problem fully but would show the public an effort is being made.
Too bad it’ll never happen as long as the NRA has a stranglehold on one of the political parties in this country.
05-26-2022, 05:52 PM
Mental health services must be better virtually everywhere else in the world than here because mass killings like these rarely happen in other countries.
05-26-2022, 06:59 PM
(05-26-2022 05:45 PM)Flashboski Wrote: [ -> ]I personally don’t think general public should have military style weapons but that’s a much bigger discussion.Yep, backgrounds checks and raising the age to 21 seem like some really good first steps.
Seems like more background checks/co-signing for 18-21 year olds is a step in the right direction and something most of this country could get behind/support. It won’t solve the problem fully but would show the public an effort is being made.
Too bad it’ll never happen as long as the NRA has a stranglehold on one of the political parties in this country.
I have no idea why anyone would be against background checks.
And it seems like most of these school shooters are HS age. By the time you're 21, I doubt you'd still be invested in shooting up a school.
05-26-2022, 11:24 PM
A few facts
The majority of gun deaths are suicides.
Most gun deaths are from handguns.
The US has had over 100 mass shootings in the past 20 years. No other fairly stable (financially and socially) country has had more than 5. Only four countries have had more than 2. Automatic and semi-automatic weapons are the most common ones used in mass shootings.
Overall, the US has more than ten times the gun violence death rate of any other fairly stable country. It is 50 times higher than most.
The US has the most highly armed police force and the highest number of police gun homicides.
The US has 4 times higher gun ownership rates than any other such country (Canada is closest) and far higher than that compared to most others.
US gun ownership rates have risen greatly in the past 10 years and gun violence death rates have mirrored the ownership increases.
US mental health issues and treatment options are average compared to comparable countries. Not great but not much worse than the average.
Every country that has made tighter gun ownership rules after a mass shooting has seen a decline in gun death rates.
The constitutional right to bear arms was based on two considerations. 1) the founding fathers distrust of a standing army or militarized state. Thus, no permanent armed force but the ability of armed citizens to quickly form militias, if needed. 2)The constant threat of the nation's population of enslaved laborers revolting with violence. The constitutional language about the threat of armed insurrection as a rationale for gun ownership is specifically about this scenario.
* I grew up with guns in the house and am not against hunting, or responsible gun owners having access to most types of firearms.
The majority of gun deaths are suicides.
Most gun deaths are from handguns.
The US has had over 100 mass shootings in the past 20 years. No other fairly stable (financially and socially) country has had more than 5. Only four countries have had more than 2. Automatic and semi-automatic weapons are the most common ones used in mass shootings.
Overall, the US has more than ten times the gun violence death rate of any other fairly stable country. It is 50 times higher than most.
The US has the most highly armed police force and the highest number of police gun homicides.
The US has 4 times higher gun ownership rates than any other such country (Canada is closest) and far higher than that compared to most others.
US gun ownership rates have risen greatly in the past 10 years and gun violence death rates have mirrored the ownership increases.
US mental health issues and treatment options are average compared to comparable countries. Not great but not much worse than the average.
Every country that has made tighter gun ownership rules after a mass shooting has seen a decline in gun death rates.
The constitutional right to bear arms was based on two considerations. 1) the founding fathers distrust of a standing army or militarized state. Thus, no permanent armed force but the ability of armed citizens to quickly form militias, if needed. 2)The constant threat of the nation's population of enslaved laborers revolting with violence. The constitutional language about the threat of armed insurrection as a rationale for gun ownership is specifically about this scenario.
* I grew up with guns in the house and am not against hunting, or responsible gun owners having access to most types of firearms.
05-28-2022, 03:42 PM
05-30-2022, 07:25 AM
(05-26-2022 11:24 PM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]A few facts
Thank you for pointing out the vast majority (over 99.9%) of responsible gun ownership.
05-30-2022, 07:39 AM
(05-26-2022 03:03 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:54 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]Your assumption is we have a true representative government to the population.(05-26-2022 01:18 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ](05-26-2022 01:15 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote: [ -> ]It's not that divisive of an issue. 85-90% of Americans agree that we have to pass better gun laws. Unfortunately, one of our two political parties gets funding from a gun lobbyist group. So, nothing will be done. Again.(05-26-2022 01:14 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote: [ -> ]I get it. The Secret Service is doing their job. The NRA is a gun lobbyist group that profits off of killing Elementary School kids. Gun lobbying $$ went up 3X after Sandy Hook. It'll probably go up again for Uvalde, because they'll start spreading lies that your hunting rifle is going to get taken away. Killing Elementary School kids is good for the NRA's sales pitch.
You posted a question that I answered, it seems like you just want to vent. I suggest Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit. You'll have a much larger audience to argue with.
Good thing we live in a democracy. If what you say is true and 85-90% of people want that they can vote for people who will do it.
At minimum they should require age 18-21 to get guardian co-sign on firearm purchase. Sounds like his mom and Grandpa knew he was nuts and would not approve of him having a gun.
But, these mass shootings are a very small percentage of gun murders. Things like stop and frisk, mandatory gun related prison time would do much more to decrease overall gun deaths. Just last week, there was a shoot out at Kentwood High school. Cops said over 100 rounds were fired! Gun control doesn't work on the inner city war zones where majority of deaths are coming from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVKvqTItto