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Sam Houston

Stadium Capacity: 12,593
Record Attendance @ Home: 27,411 (vs SFA 2016 at NRG Stadium) 12,836 (vs Nicholls in 2017 at Bowers)
Games Won/Lost: 120-37
Win %: 76.4
National Championships: 1 (2020)
National Title Appearances: 3 (2011, 2012, 2020)
Semi-Final Appearances: 7 (2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2020, 2021)
Conference Championships: 6
Record VS FBS: 1-7 (W vs New Mexico 2011)
Record VS P5 opponents: 0-6
FCS Wins VS FCS top 25 Opponents: 37
Longest Win Streak: 21 Straight Wins ended by Montana State in the Semifinals 2021

Jacksonville State

Stadium Capacity:24,000
Record Attendance @ Home: 23,944 (vs Liberty 2016) 2nd highest was vs SHSU in 2015 with an attendance of 23,692.
Games Won/Lost: 115-43
Win %: 72.8
National Championships: 0
National Title Appearances: 1 (2015)
Semi Final Appearances: 1 (2015)
Conference Championships: 7
Record VS FBS: 3-9 (W vs FIU 2020)
Record VS P5: 2-8 (W vs Florida State 2021, W vs Ole Miss 2010)
FCS Wins VS FCS top 25 Opponents: 20
Longest Win Streak: 12 Straight Wins ended by North Dakota State in the National Title Game 2015

Both schools have had significant success over the years and will be fine members in C-USA given time to complete their transitions. Of note with SH playing P5 schools every school SH has played from the P5 has had an excellent team i.e 2015 Texas Tech lead by Patrick Mahomes, No. 12 LSU in 2014, 2012 & 2013 No. 7 then No. 18 Texas A&M lead by Heisman Winner Johnny Manziel, 2012 vs. Baylor (Team featured future draft pick Bryce Petty) SHSU led 20-10 at half before being outscored in the 2nd half 38-3, 2010 Baylor led by heisman winner Robert Griffin III.

Hopefully this helps shed some light for you guys who only watch FBS football as to the recent history of each team and hopefully what they can bring to the table.

Edit: SH wins vs FCS top 25 originally shown as 26 but this was only through 2017 (a miscalcualtion on my part) SHSU has had 11 more wins vs FCS top 25 teams since 2017 therefore they have 37 wins vs FCS top 25 teams since 2010 total.
This is excellent info. Definitely good football pedigree in recent history for both programs.
(05-24-2022 02:48 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]This is excellent info. Definitely good football pedigree in recent history for both programs.

I believe this level of success is what C-USA should expect from a prospective member. Unfortunately that leaves Montana, Montana St, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State as the only ones being able to compete at this level of play. EKU, SFA, Mo St., KSU, and Tarleton State don't have near the success that SHSU and JSU have had within the last 10 years. Traditionally McNeese St. and EKU would be good choices but both have been mediocre over the last decade. There are no good options as of today from a team in the South so expansion should wait and see how the next 5-10 years plays out for the prospective FCS schools wanting to go FBS. Who knows who we'll be talking about joining C-USA in 5 years. Maybe it'll be an HBCU like Jackson State coached by Deion Sanders wanting to move up? They would be the only HBCU competing at the FBS level and they had over 50,000 people in attendance at 3 of their home games. Just some food for thought as we look for expansion down the road.
(05-24-2022 03:41 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2022 02:48 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]This is excellent info. Definitely good football pedigree in recent history for both programs.

I believe this level of success is what C-USA should expect from a prospective member. Unfortunately that leaves Montana, Montana St, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State as the only ones being able to compete at this level of play. EKU, SFA, Mo St., KSU, and Tarleton State don't have near the success that SHSU and JSU have had within the last 10 years. Traditionally McNeese St. and EKU would be good choices but both have been mediocre over the last decade. There are no good options as of today from a team in the South so expansion should wait and see how the next 5-10 years plays out for the prospective FCS schools wanting to go FBS. Who knows who we'll be talking about joining C-USA in 5 years. Maybe it'll be an HBCU like Jackson State coached by Deion Sanders wanting to move up? They would be the only HBCU competing at the FBS level and they had over 50,000 people in attendance at 3 of their home games. Just some food for thought as we look for expansion down the road.

If NDSU and SDSU approached CUSA about football only memvership, how does everyone think CUSA should react?
(05-25-2022 12:14 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2022 03:41 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2022 02:48 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]This is excellent info. Definitely good football pedigree in recent history for both programs.

I believe this level of success is what C-USA should expect from a prospective member. Unfortunately that leaves Montana, Montana St, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State as the only ones being able to compete at this level of play. EKU, SFA, Mo St., KSU, and Tarleton State don't have near the success that SHSU and JSU have had within the last 10 years. Traditionally McNeese St. and EKU would be good choices but both have been mediocre over the last decade. There are no good options as of today from a team in the South so expansion should wait and see how the next 5-10 years plays out for the prospective FCS schools wanting to go FBS. Who knows who we'll be talking about joining C-USA in 5 years. Maybe it'll be an HBCU like Jackson State coached by Deion Sanders wanting to move up? They would be the only HBCU competing at the FBS level and they had over 50,000 people in attendance at 3 of their home games. Just some food for thought as we look for expansion down the road.

If NDSU and SDSU approached CUSA about football only memvership, how does everyone think CUSA should react?
I just want to see good football against familiar opponents. NDSU and SDSU, from an SHSU fans’ perspective, would be the ideal adds if SFA can’t come. If I’m CUSA though I’m not sure I’d look to add two football only members at this time. Stay at nine.

That said, I’d love for the XDSUs to find another northern school looking to jump and become FULL members once Sam and JSU have completed their transition.
(05-25-2022 12:14 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2022 03:41 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2022 02:48 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]This is excellent info. Definitely good football pedigree in recent history for both programs.

I believe this level of success is what C-USA should expect from a prospective member. Unfortunately that leaves Montana, Montana St, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State as the only ones being able to compete at this level of play. EKU, SFA, Mo St., KSU, and Tarleton State don't have near the success that SHSU and JSU have had within the last 10 years. Traditionally McNeese St. and EKU would be good choices but both have been mediocre over the last decade. There are no good options as of today from a team in the South so expansion should wait and see how the next 5-10 years plays out for the prospective FCS schools wanting to go FBS. Who knows who we'll be talking about joining C-USA in 5 years. Maybe it'll be an HBCU like Jackson State coached by Deion Sanders wanting to move up? They would be the only HBCU competing at the FBS level and they had over 50,000 people in attendance at 3 of their home games. Just some food for thought as we look for expansion down the road.

If NDSU and SDSU approached CUSA about football only memvership, how does everyone think CUSA should react?

I'd like to see NDSU and SDSU as football only members but that is probably not going to happen. As for other Northern schools helping those 2 make the jump you'd need the Montana Schools and maybe Idaho to jump in which isn't going to happen. C-USA would greatly benefit from the brand NDSU has become. I know a decent amount of just average college football fans who don't understand FCS football that understand NDSU would be a huge addition. SDSU helps give NDSU a partner and SDSU has not been so bad themselves lately considering they were who my Bearkats beat to win our first football national championship. Bearkat fans and maybe even JSU fans would enjoy seeing those 2 teams join the C-USA ranks but I doubt NDSU or SDSU want any part of a southern based conference.
Wished they were located in the SE. Unless the CFP money distribution is changed it hard to see the Dakotas coming. Will add this I would rather add either over Missouri State.
(05-25-2022 12:14 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2022 03:41 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2022 02:48 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: [ -> ]This is excellent info. Definitely good football pedigree in recent history for both programs.

I believe this level of success is what C-USA should expect from a prospective member. Unfortunately that leaves Montana, Montana St, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State as the only ones being able to compete at this level of play. EKU, SFA, Mo St., KSU, and Tarleton State don't have near the success that SHSU and JSU have had within the last 10 years. Traditionally McNeese St. and EKU would be good choices but both have been mediocre over the last decade. There are no good options as of today from a team in the South so expansion should wait and see how the next 5-10 years plays out for the prospective FCS schools wanting to go FBS. Who knows who we'll be talking about joining C-USA in 5 years. Maybe it'll be an HBCU like Jackson State coached by Deion Sanders wanting to move up? They would be the only HBCU competing at the FBS level and they had over 50,000 people in attendance at 3 of their home games. Just some food for thought as we look for expansion down the road.

If NDSU and SDSU approached CUSA about football only memvership, how does everyone think CUSA should react?

"Thank you for the interest, we'll be in touch when/if we have any openings."
(05-25-2022 12:14 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]If NDSU and SDSU approached CUSA about football only memvership, how does everyone think CUSA should react?

Both have *far* better brands and better football than SFA, Tarleton, EKU, KSU, McNeese, and pretty much any other team being considered for expansion.

That's it for the positives.

There are more cons than I have time to list.

If ESPN or somebody is willing to up the ante (way, way up) on a TV deal if we add the Dakotas, then I'd be OK with it. Heck, I'd welcome it.

But in the absence of TV millions, I'd rather CUSA focused on teams more or less in the current footprint, even if it means taking a consistent FCS Top 25 team rather than a consistent FCS Top 3 team.
Plus, NDSU would be a tough out. You will get the comments from App and GaSo folks they would not have dominated with them but those folks didnt keep up with the recent FCS. NDSU would have been just as dominating of FCS/IAA anytime during the last 20-30 years. NDSU has had first round NFL talent which separates them from your normal FCS programs.
Jacksonville State has had a few nice runs nationally speaking, but I think it's worth noting that they've hardly dominated the series against EKU with the overall series being just 8-6 in JSU's favor...

And EKU has taken the last two in a row. JSU owned the series between 2013-2018, but before that EKU had the better of it taking four of the first six after JSU joined the OVC in 2004.
(05-26-2022 08:48 AM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville State has had a few nice runs nationally speaking, but I think it's worth noting that they've hardly dominated the series against EKU with the overall series being just 8-6 in JSU's favor...

And EKU has taken the last two in a row. JSU owned the series between 2013-2018, but before that EKU had the better of it taking four of the first six after JSU joined the OVC in 2004.

Which is why EKU fans the world over mourned when it was announced Jack Crowe would no longer be coaching the Gamecocks.

(We've had quite a rivalry going on in the OVC and ASUN. If the distance weren't such a factor, it might've really blown up. EKU, like KSU, is a very easy team to hate.) 03-wink
Based on geography alone you'd be hard pressed to get either Dakota States or Montana schools to join. Chances are if the WAC can move to FBS (which at this point seems very unlikely) or if the MWC loses some schools and needs to backfill are the best chances for either to go FBS.

Personally would love to see my Griz and MSU in the MWC, if the BIG12 does expand and adds 2 MWC schools (CSU and Boise State seem to be the top of the rumor list) I'd hope we'd get the nod, we'd fit in really well with the remaining teams.
(05-26-2022 02:09 PM)whupemall Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2022 08:48 AM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville State has had a few nice runs nationally speaking, but I think it's worth noting that they've hardly dominated the series against EKU with the overall series being just 8-6 in JSU's favor...

And EKU has taken the last two in a row. JSU owned the series between 2013-2018, but before that EKU had the better of it taking four of the first six after JSU joined the OVC in 2004.

Which is why EKU fans the world over mourned when it was announced Jack Crowe would no longer be coaching the Gamecocks.

(We've had quite a rivalry going on in the OVC and ASUN. If the distance weren't such a factor, it might've really blown up. EKU, like KSU, is a very easy team to hate.) 03-wink

I do miss ol' Jack!

Also thanks for taking that post the way it was intended...not as the start of some kind of flame war against JSU. Obviously you guys have a terrific program and have, overall, had the better of the series. My only point is that we are, in some ways, closer than some people might perceive.
I made two trips to EKU and enjoyed both visits once I left Virginia when I couldn’t find your campus.
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