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IMO, due to the "new AAC" schools already being rivals with original AAC schools, the P6 Campaign will only solidify.

These strategic pairings will immediately legitimize the P6 Campaign for the incoming
rivals. Through these associations, the P6 brand has resonance within the reinforced AAC footprint.

Charlotte-ECU
UAB-Memphis
Florida Atlantic-USF
UTSA/UNT/Rice-SMU

Aresco's original vision for the campaign was to shed light on real accomplishments. To date, the AAC has appeared in every NY6 bowl except 2. This year the AAC's P6 Campaign has reached their penultimate goal by putting an AAC program in the CFP Final Four.

The AAC has done a yeoman's public relations job with the P6 branding and the commercials. Every achievement has been highlighted. It's worth noting that no G4 conference (sans Boise State's 2014 win over Arizona) has any of the jewels in the AAC's crown (not even the NIT).

So, what is the state of the P6 Campaign with the 6 additions - and 3 subtractions? Competitively, time will tell. However, you can't disregard the conference's achievements to date. The American was the only conference (including the P5 conferences) to make the 4-team CFP Playoff and the NCAA Final Four all within the span of one year.

Will that feat ever be replicated outside of the 5 Autonomy conferences and the AAC? If we're being honest, there is less than a 1% chance. (and 1% is being overly optimistic). The AAC has also ranked ahead of the ACC and the Pac 12 by various metrics over the years. Something the G4 hasn't achieved.

So, given the AAC currently sits at the apex of its history (just registering the penultimate achievement that every conference strives for), there is some leeway the conference has through the transition to maintain its claim as the P6. The AAC is simply that far ahead in the CFP era.

Has Mike Aresco trademarked the term "P6"? If not, he should. The competitive gap has been too great, and the AAC was able to hold on to its long-term media deal with ESPN (which is keeping the AAC originals compensated at the same level, while also providing the incoming 6 programs with more revenue and exposure than they've had before).

It can be argued that, collectively, the incoming 6 AAC programs have a better revenue and exposure package than the 7th most wealthy conferece (the 12 MWC teams). That fact was confirmed by Air Force, who noted the money and exposure would've been better if they had jumped.

Beyond competitiveness and exposure, the American Athletic Conference going forward has significantly better academic profiles than anyone outside autonomy. Comparing academic profiles across the non-autonomy conferences makes one realize that the AAC truly is an academic unicorn in the non-autonomous group.

IMO, the 6 New American Athletic Programs should be getting ready to don their P6 helmet stickers. Some followers of conference realignment will insist on waiting to see how the athletic achievements compare post-2023 but the structural advantages the AAC already has in place (geographic rivalries with all the new teams, media deal, academics) already gives them more in common with the autonomy group than not.

The campaign has legs because of what's already been achieved. Don't underestimate the 8 teams that will still be averaging 7m$ per year to simply fill the competitive void of the 3 teams that left, and their new neighbors to bask in that instant credibility (and perhaps challenge for supremacy - since they will be reaping more revenue and ESPN/ABC exposure than the originals competed under during their inaugural deal).

Go back to bed, Mike.

Here's the "State of the Union" address. From the man himself. The P6 Campaign is Alive and Well. (for all of the reasons as stated above)

After losing their best 3 schools and possible Memphis to the Big 12? MWC is the real P6 power conference.

(05-18-2022 03:15 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote: [ -> ]IMO, due to the "new AAC" schools already being rivals with original AAC schools, the P6 Campaign will only solidify.

These strategic pairings will immediately legitimize the P6 Campaign for the incoming
rivals. Through these associations, the P6 brand has resonance within the reinforced AAC footprint.

Charlotte-ECU
UAB-Memphis
Florida Atlantic-USF
UTSA/UNT/Rice-SMU

Aresco's original vision for the campaign was to shed light on real accomplishments. To date, the AAC has appeared in every NY6 bowl except 2. This year the AAC's P6 Campaign has reached their penultimate goal by putting an AAC program in the CFP Final Four.

The AAC has done a yeoman's public relations job with the P6 branding and the commercials. Every achievement has been highlighted. It's worth noting that no G4 conference (sans Boise State's 2014 win over Arizona) has any of the jewels in the AAC's crown (not even the NIT).

So, what is the state of the P6 Campaign with the 6 additions - and 3 subtractions? Competitively, time will tell. However, you can't disregard the conference's achievements to date. The American was the only conference (including the P5 conferences) to make the 4-team CFP Playoff and the NCAA Final Four all within the span of one year.

Will that feat ever be replicated outside of the 5 Autonomy conferences and the AAC? If we're being honest, there is less than a 1% chance. (and 1% is being overly optimistic). The AAC has also ranked ahead of the ACC and the Pac 12 by various metrics over the years. Something the G4 hasn't achieved.

So, given the AAC currently sits at the apex of its history (just registering the penultimate achievement that every conference strives for), there is some leeway the conference has through the transition to maintain its claim as the P6. The AAC is simply that far ahead in the CFP era.

Has Mike Aresco trademarked the term "P6"? If not, he should. The competitive gap has been too great, and the AAC was able to hold on to its long-term media deal with ESPN (which is keeping the AAC originals compensated at the same level, while also providing the incoming 6 programs with more revenue and exposure than they've had before).

It can be argued that, collectively, the incoming 6 AAC programs have a better revenue and exposure package than the 7th most wealthy conferece (the 12 MWC teams). That fact was confirmed by Air Force, who noted the money and exposure would've been better if they had jumped.

Beyond competitiveness and exposure, the American Athletic Conference going forward has significantly better academic profiles than anyone outside autonomy. Comparing academic profiles across the non-autonomy conferences makes one realize that the AAC truly is an academic unicorn in the non-autonomous group.

IMO, the 6 New American Athletic Programs should be getting ready to don their P6 helmet stickers. Some followers of conference realignment will insist on waiting to see how the athletic achievements compare post-2023 but the structural advantages the AAC already has in place (geographic rivalries with all the new teams, media deal, academics) already gives them more in common with the autonomy group than not.

The campaign has legs because of what's already been achieved. Don't underestimate the 8 teams that will still be averaging 7m$ per year to simply fill the competitive void of the 3 teams that left, and their new neighbors to bask in that instant credibility (and perhaps challenge for supremacy - since they will be reaping more revenue and ESPN/ABC exposure than the originals competed under during their inaugural deal).

Mike: you put in 6 mostly terrible schools in your league. Are you on crack?

(05-18-2022 05:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]After losing their best 3 schools and possible Memphis to the Big 12? MWC is the real P6 power conference.

The MWC hasn't come remotely close to the AAC since it rebranded in terms of performance, media deal, academics, etc.

They only have 1 Access bowl appearance - tied with the MAC.

Structurally, their Fox/CBS TV deal puts every team (sans Boise) at a payout that is very close to the incoming 6 AAC programs but with far inferior exposure.

Then, when you consider their academic profiles, the fall off from the Autonomy class is far more severe. There is a huge gap.

The P6 Campaign is all about relative distance to the P5 compared to the G4.

The AAC's metrics have always been closer to the P5 than conferences like the MWC/CUSA/Belt/MAC.

These shortfalls are much of the reason why the Texas programs chose the AAC over the MWC.


The American Athletic

US News Rankings:

Rice — 17th (AAU; R1 doctoral research university)

Tulane — 42nd (AAU; R1 doctoral research university)

SMU — 68th (R2 doctoral research university)

Temple — 103rd (R1 doctoral research university)

South Florida — 103rd (R1 doctoral research university)

Tulsa — 136th (R2 doctoral research university)

UAB — 148th (R1 doctoral research university)

East Carolina — 213th (R2 doctoral research university)

Charlotte — 227th (R2 doctoral research university)

Memphis — 249th (R1 doctoral research university)

Florida Atlantic — 277th (R2 doctoral research university)

North Texas — 277th (R1 doctoral research university)

UTSA — 299th (R1 doctoral research university)

Navy — N/A (ranked #6, nationally, among liberal arts colleges)

Wichita State — 299th (R2 doctoral research university)

* There are two AAU universities and eight R1 Universities in the AAC (UAB, Memphis, North Texas, Rice, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, & UTSA).


Mountain West

US News Rankings:

Average ranking: 209th

Colorado State — 148th

San Diego State — 148th

Hawaii — 162nd

New Mexico — 196th

Wyoming — 196th

Fresno State — 213th

Nevada — 227th

UNLV — 249th

Utah State — 249th

Boise State — 299th

San Jose State — N/A

Air Force — N/A

* There are five universities in the Mountain West that have R1 status (Colorado State, Hawaii, New Mexico, Nevada, UNLV)

Half of the AAC is ranked above the MWC's top academic school.

NEVER FORGET: Those P6 helmet stickers represent more than NY6 dominance. The AAC is closer to the big boys in all institutional aspects.

(05-18-2022 05:22 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 05:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]After losing their best 3 schools and possible Memphis to the Big 12? MWC is the real P6 power conference.

The MWC hasn't come remotely close to the AAC since it rebranded in terms of performance, media deal, academics, etc.

They only have 1 Access bowl appearance - tied with the MAC.

Structurally, their Fox/CBS TV deal puts every team (sans Boise) at a payout that is very close to the incoming 6 AAC programs but with far inferior exposure.

Then, when you consider their academic profiles, the fall off from the Autonomy class is far more severe. There is a huge gap.

The P6 Campaign is all about relative distance to the P5 compared to the G4.

The AAC's metrics have always been closer to the P5 than conferences like the MWC/CUSA/Belt/MAC.

These shortfalls are much of the reason why the Texas programs chose the AAC over the MWC.


The American Athletic

US News Rankings:

Rice — 17th (AAU; R1 doctoral research university)

Tulane — 42nd (AAU; R1 doctoral research university)

SMU — 68th (R2 doctoral research university)

Temple — 103rd (R1 doctoral research university)

South Florida — 103rd (R1 doctoral research university)

Tulsa — 136th (R2 doctoral research university)

UAB — 148th (R1 doctoral research university)

East Carolina — 213th (R2 doctoral research university)

Charlotte — 227th (R2 doctoral research university)

Memphis — 249th (R1 doctoral research university)

Florida Atlantic — 277th (R2 doctoral research university)

North Texas — 277th (R1 doctoral research university)

UTSA — 299th (R1 doctoral research university)

Navy — N/A (ranked #6, nationally, among liberal arts colleges)

Wichita State — 299th (R2 doctoral research university)

* There are two AAU universities and eight R1 Universities in the AAC (UAB, Memphis, North Texas, Rice, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, & UTSA).


Mountain West

US News Rankings:

Average ranking: 209th

Colorado State — 148th

San Diego State — 148th

Hawaii — 162nd

New Mexico — 196th

Wyoming — 196th

Fresno State — 213th

Nevada — 227th

UNLV — 249th

Utah State — 249th

Boise State — 299th

San Jose State — N/A

Air Force — N/A

* There are five universities in the Mountain West that have R1 status (Colorado State, Hawaii, New Mexico, Nevada, UNLV)

Half of the AAC is ranked above the MWC's top academic school.

NEVER FORGET: Those P6 helmet stickers represent more than NY6 dominance. The AAC is closer to the big boys in all institutional aspects.

Only Navy and Memphis that have win lately. The schools that are leaving had the NY 6 appearance. None of the other schools have any.

After the schools leave? Boise State have more NY6 appearance in the last 12 years compare to zero for the AAC.

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I'm an AAC fan (and have usually been a TroyTBoy fan), but I consider it a horrible idea to continue the P6 campaign, because it's an embarrassing reminder of the complete and utter failure of Aresco's so-called "P6" strategic plan.

It is an absolute fraud, a complete misrepresentation to try to pretend that the AAC is going to be a P6 conference, when it's not even likely to be any stronger than the MWC or the SBC in football on a consistent basis.

Frankly, there isn't likely to be a P6 conference for the foreseeable future, but the closest thing to it will probably be the MWC.

Better to just let sleeping dogs lie than to make an argument with zero credibility that the AAC is going to be a power conference any time soon.

Trying to claim the AAC is a power conference will just make the conference's fans look like idiotic simpletons who don't have a clue about collegiate athletics.

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The P6 thing was always a joke.

Kudos for trying, but I don't think people fell for it.

(05-18-2022 06:12 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]Trying to claim the AAC is a power conference will just make the conference's fans look like idiotic simpletons who don't have a clue about collegiate athletics.

I don't think you can tar all AAC fans with that brush. It's only the few who would make that claim who are clueless.

(05-18-2022 06:17 AM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]The P6 thing was always a joke.

Kudos for trying, but I don't think people fell for it.

Disagree - it wasn't a joke until UConn left and wasn't replaced by what turned to be a stunningly feckless, spineless AAC leadership. The AAC was officially a BCS - and thus a power - conference in 2013-14 with Big East schools Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, USF, Temple, and with Memphis, Houston, UCF, SMU, and Navy set to join in 2015.

Too many people forget that, the AAC finished the 2019 football season as the nation's #5th strongest conference - - ahead of the Atlantic Coast Conference - - and that it finished the 2018-19 basketball season as the nation's #6th strongest conference - - ahead of the PAC-12 conference.

In 2019, the AAC was widely referred to as a legitimate P6 conference, and it might have been able to maintain that stature if it hadn't failed to replace UConn and had been able to retain UC, UH, and UCF.

The take-home point is that at it's best, the American once was - - however briefly - - a P6 conference.

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(05-18-2022 06:29 AM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 06:12 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]Trying to claim the AAC is a power conference will just make the conference's fans look like idiotic simpletons who don't have a clue about collegiate athletics.

I don't think you can tar all AAC fans with that brush. It's only the few who would make that claim who are clueless.

You're absolutely correct - not all AAC fans can be tarred with that brush. Agree 100%.

However, we all know how trash-talkers love to take advantage of any opportunity they can to embarrass fans of conferences that they're able to make fun of - - and it seems like a certainty that that's what the AAC-haters are going to do to the conference's fans if this P6 continues. My concern is that they're going to be trolled mercilessly for this ridiculous claim unless the vast majority of AAC fans reject this idea as being completely absurd and without merit.


I like most of TroyTBoy's posts, but fear that this thread is going to needlessly bring heaps of disdain and derision on many AAC fans who don't deserve it for months and years to come if he continues to insist that the American is "still" a P6 conference.

(05-18-2022 06:12 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ].

I'm an AAC fan (and have usually been a TroyTBoy fan), but I consider it a horrible idea to continue the P6 campaign, because it's an embarrassing reminder of the complete and utter failure of Aresco's so-called "P6" strategic plan.

It is an absolute fraud, a complete misrepresentation to try to pretend that the AAC is going to be a P6 conference, when it's not even likely to be any stronger than the MWC or the SBC in football on a consistent basis.

Frankly, there isn't likely to be a P6 conference for the foreseeable future, but the closest thing to it will probably be the MWC.

Better to just let sleeping dogs lie than to make an argument with zero credibility that the AAC is going to be a power conference any time soon.

Trying to claim the AAC is a power conference will just make the conference's fans look like idiotic simpletons who don't have a clue about collegiate athletics.

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I understand your perspective. Nevertheless, I feel that Aresco's calculus regarding the continued campaign has a lot to do with his confidence that the structure of the CFP (whether it's the current NY6 Access bowl or the 12 team playoff) will still favor the American (most likely the 8 highest paid of the group - at least initially).

The importance of New Years Day can't be understated - when it comes to the P6 campaign. Aresco is already set on eliminating the divisional alignments, so he can leverage the fertile recruiting grounds that sit in the AAC footprint.

His belief (and I don't disagree) is that the new rules regulating the transfer portal and NIL will put further competitive distance between the AAC and the 4 other non-autonomy conferences, because the AAC schools will get great players on the bounce-back (from local P5s) as well as from the High Schools.

As you said though (and I don't disagree), the AAC is dealing with a credibility issue right now from being poached of its bellcows. Inevitably performance over a prolonged period will shape the debate as the CFP-12 comes and goes. The AAC is really in a complicated position, because Aresco's best argument (a conference member making the CFP) happened less than 6 months ago.

He wants to capitalize on that.

If the AAC continues it's stranglehold of the NY6 spot then the P6 campaign won't appear as silly.

If they can't they need to quietly put it to bed.

(05-18-2022 06:30 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]In 2019, the AAC was widely referred to as a legitimate P6 conference, and it might have been able to maintain that stature if it hadn't failed to replace UConn and had been able to retain UC, UH, and UCF.

The take-home point is that at it's best, the American once was - - however briefly - - a P6 conference.

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This is true. Especially after the AAC finished higher than the ACC in the 2000 Massey index leading into the Covid year.

Inevitably, either the supporters or opponents of the P6 Campaign will not be shy of their thoughts when the three teams leave for the Big 12, and the AAC brings in the 6 new programs.

As you said, carrying that banner out of the gate could (or will) be a cross to bear. Aresco has never been short of belief. However it goes, a lot of people are going to have a lot to say.

(05-18-2022 06:47 AM)MUsince96 Wrote: [ -> ]If the AAC continues it's stranglehold of the NY6 spot then the P6 campaign won't appear as silly.

If they can't they need to quietly put it to bed.

I agree 100%.

(05-18-2022 03:15 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote: [ -> ]IMO, due to the "new AAC" schools already being rivals with original AAC schools, the P6 Campaign will only solidify.

These strategic pairings will immediately legitimize the P6 Campaign for the incoming
rivals. Through these associations, the P6 brand has resonance within the reinforced AAC footprint.

Charlotte-ECU
UAB-Memphis
Florida Atlantic-USF
UTSA/UNT/Rice-SMU

Aresco's original vision for the campaign was to shed light on real accomplishments. To date, the AAC has appeared in every NY6 bowl except 2. This year the AAC's P6 Campaign has reached their penultimate goal by putting an AAC program in the CFP Final Four.

The AAC has done a yeoman's public relations job with the P6 branding and the commercials. Every achievement has been highlighted. It's worth noting that no G4 conference (sans Boise State's 2014 win over Arizona) has any of the jewels in the AAC's crown (not even the NIT).

So, what is the state of the P6 Campaign with the 6 additions - and 3 subtractions? Competitively, time will tell. However, you can't disregard the conference's achievements to date. The American was the only conference (including the P5 conferences) to make the 4-team CFP Playoff and the NCAA Final Four all within the span of one year.

Will that feat ever be replicated outside of the 5 Autonomy conferences and the AAC? If we're being honest, there is less than a 1% chance. (and 1% is being overly optimistic). The AAC has also ranked ahead of the ACC and the Pac 12 by various metrics over the years. Something the G4 hasn't achieved.

So, given the AAC currently sits at the apex of its history (just registering the penultimate achievement that every conference strives for), there is some leeway the conference has through the transition to maintain its claim as the P6. The AAC is simply that far ahead in the CFP era.

Has Mike Aresco trademarked the term "P6"? If not, he should. The competitive gap has been too great, and the AAC was able to hold on to its long-term media deal with ESPN (which is keeping the AAC originals compensated at the same level, while also providing the incoming 6 programs with more revenue and exposure than they've had before).

It can be argued that, collectively, the incoming 6 AAC programs have a better revenue and exposure package than the 7th most wealthy conferece (the 12 MWC teams). That fact was confirmed by Air Force, who noted the money and exposure would've been better if they had jumped.

Beyond competitiveness and exposure, the American Athletic Conference going forward has significantly better academic profiles than anyone outside autonomy. Comparing academic profiles across the non-autonomy conferences makes one realize that the AAC truly is an academic unicorn in the non-autonomous group.

IMO, the 6 New American Athletic Programs should be getting ready to don their P6 helmet stickers. Some followers of conference realignment will insist on waiting to see how the athletic achievements compare post-2023 but the structural advantages the AAC already has in place (geographic rivalries with all the new teams, media deal, academics) already gives them more in common with the autonomy group than not.

The campaign has legs because of what's already been achieved. Don't underestimate the 8 teams that will still be averaging 7m$ per year to simply fill the competitive void of the 3 teams that left, and their new neighbors to bask in that instant credibility (and perhaps challenge for supremacy - since they will be reaping more revenue and ESPN/ABC exposure than the originals competed under during their inaugural deal).

Did y'all ever hear the story about the woman who used to be a "7" but now she's only a "3" or so?

It's like she's the last one to know

(05-18-2022 06:17 AM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]The P6 thing was always a joke.

Kudos for trying, but I don't think people fell for it.

Seriously LOL.. His post is just click bait spam!

EDIT: When I started typing this, it was on the Lounge Conference Realignment Board.

(05-18-2022 06:40 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-18-2022 06:12 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ].

I'm an AAC fan (and have usually been a TroyTBoy fan), but I consider it a horrible idea to continue the P6 campaign, because it's an embarrassing reminder of the complete and utter failure of Aresco's so-called "P6" strategic plan.

It is an absolute fraud, a complete misrepresentation to try to pretend that the AAC is going to be a P6 conference, when it's not even likely to be any stronger than the MWC or the SBC in football on a consistent basis.

Frankly, there isn't likely to be a P6 conference for the foreseeable future, but the closest thing to it will probably be the MWC.

Better to just let sleeping dogs lie than to make an argument with zero credibility that the AAC is going to be a power conference any time soon.

Trying to claim the AAC is a power conference will just make the conference's fans look like idiotic simpletons who don't have a clue about collegiate athletics.

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I understand your perspective. Nevertheless, I feel that Aresco's calculus regarding the continued campaign has a lot to do with his confidence that the structure of the CFP (whether it's the current NY6 Access bowl or the 12 team playoff) will still favor the American (most likely the 8 highest paid of the group - at least initially).

The importance of New Years Day can't be understated - when it comes to the P6 campaign. Aresco is already set on eliminating the divisional alignments, so he can leverage the fertile recruiting grounds that sit in the AAC footprint.

His belief (and I don't disagree) is that the new rules regulating the transfer portal and NIL will put further competitive distance between the AAC and the 4 other non-autonomy conferences, because the AAC schools will get great players on the bounce-back (from local P5s) as well as from the High Schools.

As you said though (and I don't disagree), the AAC is dealing with a credibility issue right now from being poached of its bellcows. Inevitably performance over a prolonged period will shape the debate as the CFP-12 comes and goes. The AAC is really in a complicated position, because Aresco's best argument (a conference member making the CFP) happened less than 6 months ago.

He wants to capitalize on that.

I respect what you're trying to do and have nicknamed you as the recreational director of the "S.S. American Athletic Association cruise ship".

However, I have absolutely zero faith in Commissioner Aresco's ability to do anything but negotiate successfully with ESPN, his former employer for broadcasting agreements.

As I see it, Aresco's predecessors did a much better job of replacing departing Big East schools with qualified replacements.

Former Big East commissioner Tranghese brought Cincinnati, Louisville, and USF into the conference, and Connecticut's FB program transitioned to FBS.

As I understand it, former Big East commissioner Marinatto brought Temple back into the Big East in 2012, and then brought UCF, Memphis, Houston, and SMU into the conference, and he signed Navy to join in 2015 as a FB member. In addition, he made strong moves to add TCU, Boise St., and SDSU, although these fell through.

If my understanding is correct, Aresco was the one who oversaw the addition of Tulsa, Tulane, and ECU - - and this contributed to the decisions of TCU, Boise St., and SDSU to back out of their commitments to join the conference.

Aresco only ended up with the job, as I understand it, because the existing Big East schools foolishly turned down ESPN's offer for a broadcasting deal, without having a backup plan, and this caused the implosion of the conference - - which was simply too much for Marinatto to bear, so he couldn't take it any more, and Aresco simply inherited the mess from him. All Aresco ever did besides adding Tul/Tul/ECU was to add Wichita State, but he utterly failed to replace UConn.

Another disaster that took place after Aresco became the commissioner was the decision to sell the Big East name to the original Big East basketball schools. In retrospect, that seems to many of us to have been an incredibly thoughtless and irresponsible decision.

To me, Aresco is, as the saying goes, "All hat and no cattle." In other words, he does a lot of talking, but hardly ever gets anything of importance done. I'm not even sure that he deserves any substantive credit for the ESPN broadcasting deal, since it can be argued that it was ESPN who was driving the American as the Captain (e.g., Picard) of the ship all along, and Aresco was just the First Officer (e.g., Riker) in the whole deal.

I hope you'll realize that it's going to be seen as a complete mockery and a sham to claim that the AAC 2.0 is going to be a power conference from the get-go when it's plain to everyone that the AAC 2.0 isn't even likely to be the best of the G5 conferences with respect to either football or basketball.

If there is any semblance of a "P6" now, it's the Mountain West Conference, but you won't find any MWC fans making that kind of ridiculous claim for which they're perfectly aware they would be justifiably ridiculed.

I don't want to see you lambasted as a clown (or worse), TTB, so I hope you'll back off this P6 claim, which seems absolutely bonkers to me.

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(05-18-2022 06:17 AM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]The P6 thing was always a joke.

Kudos for trying, but I don't think people fell for it.

I disagree.

Coming off the Big 12 flirtations of 2016, the Power 6 Campaign was the most genius collegiate marketing campaign we have seen in some time.

The attention it stirred up was critical going into the ESPN negotiations of 18-19.

What made it work was the AAC backed it up with successive NY6 bowls and generated great ratings on ESPN/ABC.

If the performance wasn't there it would've fallen flat.

By and large, I firmly believe the incoming 6 programs will benefit greatly by that campaign - at least indirectly due to the fact that it buoyed the ESPN offer (which presciently went 12 years). That deal has allowed for the AAC to bring in programs that they can nurture over the long term.