It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…
Time for the growth of new BLUEBLOODS!
(05-10-2022 03:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
You my think it’s funny now but even the left outs have the NIL, it’s the great recruiting Equalizer that the A conferences are afraid of and keeps them from breaking away because if they do or don’t the g conferences can buy players on the open market just like them and they don’t want top recruits going to the “ other league “ in any real numbers but they can’t stop it, I think a split would have already happened for not for the arrival oF NIL
people can just get on a website and post anything huh
(05-10-2022 04:40 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote: [ -> ]people can just get on a website and post anything huh
Iam assuming you went to college?
Hey Coach Prime got Travis Hunter to Jackson State. Before NIL, would that have happened?
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…
People will LOL at this, and of course it isn't happening, but there is more than a modicum of sense in this idea.
G5 schools are in the worst position in the college athletics firmament. They lose the most money off of athletics each year of any NCAA division. And it's because of the "need" to spend spend spend to keep up the facade that they really are in the "same league" with the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world. But without the operating revenue to support it.
Break away, and remove that pressure, and you probably save your students about $10 million a year easy in fees and subsidies and transfers from the academic side. Yes, you lose some revenue, but not nearly as much as you would save. That's why FCS schools run about $10m a year less in operating deficits than G5 schools.
(05-10-2022 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…
People will LOL at this, and of course it isn't happening, but there is more than a modicum of sense in this idea.
G5 schools are in the worst position in the college athletics firmament. They lose the most money off of athletics each year of any NCAA division. And it's because of the "need" to spend spend spend to keep up the facade that they really are in the "same league" with the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world. But without the operating revenue to support it.
Break away, and remove that pressure, and you probably save your students about $10 million a year easy in fees and subsidies and transfers from the academic side. Yes, you lose some revenue, but not nearly as much as you would save. That's why FCS schools run about $10m a year less in operating deficits than G5 schools.
Good points and I think it very likely to happen
The g5 and the A5 left outs are too big in number and real good brand names to just disappear, a network contract will be there, this is a Silver platter opportunity for everyone not in the nfl lite, call it the “ great reset of college Athletics “ , the A5 are Spiraling into the Financial twilight zone of Disney doom, wait until inflation hits them over paid schools
NIL, the great Recruiting equalizer is in place , the Potential new growth is there the fans are ready the patriots are in place
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…
How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.
Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)
The way it would work is the #1 would have home bowl location against the 6th best entrant (be it champ or at-large). If it is Boise State as #1 they would likely be sent to play in the Holiday Bowl against the #6.
Having 1 spot for an at-large would allow for a really good 12-1 or 11-2 team that didn't win their CC or if an independent that has a big season.
Then after the bowls take the Top 2 and play a championship game. It might not be completely perfect but I doubt there would be more than 2 undefeated teams after bowls.
Fox is spending $150 to $200 million over 3 years on owning the 8 team USFL to have spring football. The G5 has better brands than that.
There’s a need for more inventory.
The FCS spring playoffs pulled similar numbers to Sunday night baseball, playoff hockey, and lower NBA playoff games.
The top half of the G5 should do even better.
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…
I don’t think that’s relevant since all colleges regardless of P5 and g5 or FBS or FCS are required to pay. Might as well stay with the big boys. There’s no getting around this.
Other than one game a year, what difference is it going to make? How many G5 play 2 or more P5 a year? How many bowls do G5's have against P5 teams that are better than 6-6 or 7-5? One I think.
It's mostly separated already. Might as well stay together and keep the CFP money and access-bowl.
(05-10-2022 11:46 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote: [ -> ]Fox is spending $150 to $200 million over 3 years on owning the 8 team USFL to have spring football. The G5 has better brands than that.
There’s a need for more inventory.
The FCS spring playoffs pulled similar numbers to Sunday night baseball, playoff hockey, and lower NBA playoff games.
The top half of the G5 should do even better.
Intresting facts, a second FBS league has very Exciting prospects with so many fan bases to grow, the time is now imo
(05-11-2022 03:25 AM)ChrisLords Wrote: [ -> ]Other than one game a year, what difference is it going to make? How many G5 play 2 or more P5 a year? How many bowls do G5's have against P5 teams that are better than 6-6 or 7-5? One I think.
It's mostly separated already. Might as well stay together and keep the CFP money and access-bowl.
It makes a big difference , with two leagues each with 5 conferences have two separate playoffs with a college super bowl between the two conference champions , right there is doubling the current payout at the least
Now the best way to do this is split the 130 schools down the middle or the A5 do their own thing and the g conferences Create their own league, this league of course will not have a selection committee if I had my way
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
very few G5 teans can afford the "big bucks" we're talking about here.
SMU bought players on a big time level in the 80s. they could do it again.
Does any other G5 foitbsll program have that level of deep-pocketed donor support?
Memphis basketball is on that level, but do the donors write those kind of checks for football? it's one thing to associate with Penny Hardaway and have vaguely plausible Finsl Four / National title hopes. Justin Fuentes and an Access Bowl (first round plsyoff exit) i dint know.
Louisville basketball took care of business, got their recruits hookers and blow. That's expensive, abd I don't see many other G5 schools with the donors ready to step up like that.
Memphis (and Cincinnati previously until the Big 12 invite) faces a conundrum of sorts. As Quo notes, Tiger football is not remotely within the same realm as USC, Notre Dame, Bama, etc. football. But Memphis basketball is a major program overall — and UofM basketball needs Memphis football (to an extent) due to "conference home factors." Non-FBS-football-sponsoring Gonzaga and the Big East schools "have it easy," in that they automatically benefit from NOT having football.
If Memphis dropped football to focus on hoops ... what non-FBS-football-sponsoring league would it join? None. Because there is not one any better than the future AAC that would invite Memphis. The Big East is private and Catholic. Maybe (a strong "maybe") Memphis could land an invite in the A10. The WCC and MVC are no better than the AAC, and the WCC makes no sense on multiple levels. I suppose the MVC might work. But again, the future AAC is much better suited for Memphis than the future MVC.
So Memphis almost HAS to have sponsor FBS football for the sake of its basketball program.
That is a burden that the Gonzagas and Novas of the college sports world don't have to deal with.
(05-11-2022 06:30 AM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2022 11:46 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote: [ -> ]Fox is spending $150 to $200 million over 3 years on owning the 8 team USFL to have spring football. The G5 has better brands than that.
There’s a need for more inventory.
The FCS spring playoffs pulled similar numbers to Sunday night baseball, playoff hockey, and lower NBA playoff games.
The top half of the G5 should do even better.
Intresting facts, a second FBS league has very Exciting prospects with so many fan bases to grow, the time is now imo
We study history so we don't repeat the same mistakes blah blah blah....
You know how the 1A/1AA split worked right? Look at what happened to most FCS programs, most would agree that it didn't work out so well for them. This would be a repeat of that.
(05-11-2022 08:07 AM)bill dazzle Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis (and Cincinnati previously until the Big 12 invite) faces a conundrum of sorts. As Quo notes, Tiger football is not remotely within the same realm as USC, Notre Dame, Bama, etc. football. But Memphis basketball is a major program overall — and UofM basketball needs Memphis football (to an extent) due to "conference home factors." Non-FBS-football-sponsoring Gonzaga and the Big East schools "have it easy," in that they automatically benefit from NOT having football.
Where do you think Louisville would be today if Howard Schellenberger decided to close down Louisville's FB program?
How many of those programs moved up to FBS with a goal of joining the AAC to improve their basketball conference?
Akron and Buffalo I would argue moved up to FBS to get into the MAC for basketball. Where would these programs be without it?
(05-10-2022 10:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…
How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.
Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)
The way it would work is the #1 would have home bowl location against the 6th best entrant (be it champ or at-large). If it is Boise State as #1 they would likely be sent to play in the Holiday Bowl against the #6.
Having 1 spot for an at-large would allow for a really good 12-1 or 11-2 team that didn't win their CC or if an independent that has a big season.
Then after the bowls take the Top 2 and play a championship game. It might not be completely perfect but I doubt there would be more than 2 undefeated teams after bowls.
I agree with most of this. The problem is that they can't alienate their fanbases. It's essentially throwing in the towel.
As an aside I had to LOL at a Houston fan starting this thread after knowing they'll be in the Big 12.