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18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [l]in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident [m]within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not [n]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [o]crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchttps://csnbbs.com/newthread.php?fid=970hanged the truth of God for [p]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [q]forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [r]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [s]indecent acts and receiving in [t]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [u]to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, [v]haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. Romans 1


Thoughts? Our Government meddling too much into social fabric of morality? Americans are truly ignorant or arrogant? Are we a lost nation Rome2.0 so to speak.

It definitely appears we are headed for the same demise of self implosion as did the Roman Empire.

The last bridge we haven’t crossed is pedophilia but inroads are being made daily.
(04-09-2022 11:30 PM)BlueDragon Wrote: [ -> ]18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [l]in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident [m]within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not [n]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [o]crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchttps://csnbbs.com/newthread.php?fid=970hanged the truth of God for [p]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [q]forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [r]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [s]indecent acts and receiving in [t]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [u]to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, [v]haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. Romans 1


Thoughts? Our Government meddling too much into social fabric of morality? Americans are truly ignorant or arrogant? Are we a lost nation Rome2.0 so to speak.

It definitely appears we are headed for the same demise of self implosion as did the Roman Empire.

The last bridge we haven’t crossed is pedophilia but inroads are being made daily.



Its the same spirit in Mystery Babylon that is influencing and leading America.

The back of every single dollar of our curreny says "the birthing of the New Word Order" in latin on the back with the occultic all seeing eye. Even Biden said the other day we need to play a central role in this "new world order".

I don't think we can say America is Mystery Babylon in the strictest sense, though some insist that. Some of the details of the text do not fit us at all, but many of the sinful practices do. For one thing America is only 250 years old and the text suggests this thing is much older that 250 years.

The early church fathers almost universally saw Mystery Babylon as Rome, and Pagan Rome eventually transformed into the Papacy and the Holy Roman Empire. So Mystery Babylon appears to be a religion as much as a kingdom/nation, so that fits well with the Papacy. There are 2 beasts in Revelation 13, the first (pagan Rome) had this powerful ferocious appearance that everyone feared, the 2nd has the appearance of a "lamb" (a meek, Christ like appearance) but actually speaks like the dragon (Satan).

"....and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.” Rev 13:2

Revelation 17:4
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:


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Its important that Catholics not take this personally as being about them this is about the papacy and the "world wide" position of power of the popes, the "throne". As Scripture says, ""the power, the seat and great authority".

Spiritual fornication in scriptural context is mixing Christianity and pagan worship. Its the same thing God rebukes the Jewish leaders for, spiritually fornicating with false gods. Adding sun worship and other pagan occult practices with the OT law.

"And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 17:5-6

When you put it all together it appears to be a corrupted "Church" with world wide authority that has killed a lot of Saints throughout the 2000 year church age. And its going to play a central role in the "New World Order".

That points in one single direction.

America clearly plays a big role in this. But they have to fully corrupt us and bring us down to get the NWO across the finish line. And it looks like they job is nearly finished.
The super elites, Washington DC, Hollywood, the music industry, Big Tech/social media are all run by incredibly evil and occultic people. There is so much wickedness and evil there that most have a hard to even believing its so.

Once everything is truly brought to light at the time of Judgment, people are going to be stunned just how wick and evil the elites are. Satanism, mass orgies, pedophilia, child sacrifice, cannibalism of children, the deepest levels of depravity and sin and fully searched out by these people.

"They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them? They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep."
Ps 64:5-6


As Solomon wrote, "there is nothing new under the sun". The Canaanites, Philistines and others were doing these things 3000 years ago and God judged and destroyed them, its well documented these same things were happening in Rome at its peak at well. Its happening at the absolute highest levels of our society as well, and throughout the elites of the world.
The world elites actually think they are going to make REAL war with God and overthrow Him.


"Why are the nations in an uproar [in turmoil against God],
And why do the people devise a vain and hopeless plot?

The kings of the earth take their stand;
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the Lord and His Anointed (the Davidic King, the Messiah, the Christ), saying,

“Let us break apart their [divine] bands [of restraint]
And cast away their cords [of control] from us.”

He who sits [enthroned] in the heavens laughs [at their rebellion];
The [Sovereign] Lord scoffs at them [and in supreme contempt He mocks them]." Psalm 2:1-4 (Amplified)



"Though they intended evil against You
And devised a plot, a mischievous devise
which they are not able to perform" Psalm 21:11


"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Rev 16:14

"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." Rev 16:16

"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Rev 17:14

"And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him that sat on the horse, and against His army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Rev 19:19-20
Those verses are definitely describing America. But it's also describing just about every prominent culture, kingdom, empire and country that has existed. Someone living 500 years from now can read that vary text and see the resemblance of the world around him, the same way Some 500 years ago could see that same resemblance. Good and virtue always existed the same way evil and corruption always existed. You can find these trademarks in Greek civilization the same way you'll find them in modern Dutch culture. I'd say the author was specifically talking about the Roman's; however, it's written in such a way that anyone from anytime can apply it to their time.
(04-13-2022 04:50 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]Those verses are definitely describing America. But it's also describing just about every prominent culture, kingdom, empire and country that has existed. Someone living 500 years from now can read that vary text and see the resemblance of the world around him, the same way Some 500 years ago could see that same resemblance. Good and virtue always existed the same way evil and corruption always existed. You can find these trademarks in Greek civilization the same way you'll find them in modern Dutch culture. I'd say the author was specifically talking about the Roman's; however, it's written in such a way that anyone from anytime can apply it to their time.


Its sounds like you think the author is not God's Holy Spirit speaking through the Apostle Paul in Romans or the Apostle John in Revelation, so in other words you think its just man made observations. If that is what you think you will never understand any of this according to Christ and the Apostles. That is not my personal view, its what Christ and the Apostles tell us multiple times in the NT. If you open your heart up to salvation through Christ and the become born again through Christ and the Holy Spirit you will begin to see the things you are missing here. I remember scoffing at that truth for many, many years before I realize the true reality of it.

What you are supposed to be understanding in the text is there is a spiritual world behind all these nations and kingdoms, and the spirit of antichrist has been here since the fall and driving all these nations and cultures in their sin for thousands of years. That is why you think it can apply to "anytime" because you are failing to see the spiritual aspect of Mystery Babylon throughout history the text is trying to show you.

The sin aspects in Romans absolutely does apply to us today and has applied to many nations in the past, but you are supped to be understanding and seeing how it comes to a world wide head at the end. Even in the nations where large numbers of Christians live. Christianity is the dominate religion in America, yet we are beginning to look more like all those non Christian pagan nations like ancient Greece and many others others instead with our depravity and sin. Christ came 2000 years ago to teach ALL nations (not just Israel) what salvation is and how to follow Him. Nations and peoples who embraced Christ did try to follow His message and reject more of the modern depravity we are seeing. But now even those Christian based nations and people are falling rapidly into increasing sin, depravity and sexual madness, even many churches are turning away from the faith and more to false doctrines.

And the text is telling us this will converge into one final one world kingdom (New World Order) for a brief period at the end, with the antichrist (beast) sitting at the top and the false prophet sitting at his side. They will enforce the mark of the beast and force worship of the image of the beast ( the abomination of desolation) in the end. Most who refuse the mark will be beheaded or starve to death because of the food shortages them them being locked out of the beast system.

The stage setting for the New World Order and the mark is so obvious now even the lost should be able to clearly see it just on the horizon.
(04-09-2022 11:30 PM)BlueDragon Wrote: [ -> ]18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [l]in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident [m]within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not [n]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [o]crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchttps://csnbbs.com/newthread.php?fid=970hanged the truth of God for [p]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [q]forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [r]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [s]indecent acts and receiving in [t]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [u]to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, [v]haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. Romans 1


Thoughts? Our Government meddling too much into social fabric of morality? Americans are truly ignorant or arrogant? Are we a lost nation Rome2.0 so to speak.

It definitely appears we are headed for the same demise of self implosion as did the Roman Empire.

The last bridge we haven’t crossed is pedophilia but inroads are being made daily.


The lost don't want to see it or admit it, but there is no denying sin, depravity, sexual sin and insanity is growing rapidly across the globe to heights not seen since the days of Noah.

They all use the same excuse and just say evil and sinful practice has always existed which it has. What has not always existed is over 7 billion people all engaging in this globally, and unlike millennia past they are engaging in it when the truth and the Gospel are readily known and has spread across the world. As scripture tells us, God allowed more of this in the past due to ignorance of His law and Word because that is how He executed His eternal plan.

But this is not ages past, we are now 2000 years since Jesus came into the world and showed us how He is the light, how He is the way, the truth and the life. He is no longer willing to turn a blind eyes to this because of ignorance, the world has been exposed to the Gospel and the Truth for 2000 years and have soundly rejected it and Him. At the same time we have seen DRAMATIC increases in world population the last 150 years. In Jesus time there were less that 250 million people on the earth, in 1800 there were only about 900 million. By 2022 we have exploded to nearly 8 BILLION.

They also fail to see the fall of CHRISTIAN nations and people, a dramatic falling away from the faith and a dramatic increase in evil, sin and sexual depravity. Paul knew and understood 2000 years ago that Rome was full of evil and sin, but through the Holy Spirit he also understood that wickedness and sin would wax worse and worse leading up to the end.

And here we are.

Even America has become one of the most evil and sinful nations on the entire planet. Gender and LGBTQ madness, pedophilia, free internet porn for all even small children, and all the other evils Paul listed. And this angers God more that a pagan nations following our path, we KNOW this is evil and sinful, we KNOW the gospel. And its not just America, its Europe as well. Europe has totally turned its back on the faith and the Bible, and we are right behind them.

As Jesus said, it would be like the days of Noah when He returns...sin, deception, wilful ignorance and blindness to God everywhere, and others just in flat out in open rebellion against Him.
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