This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
(04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
Greg Flugaur, aka the Dude of Minnesota. This guy's main schtick is picking fights with the Dude of West Virginia and talking about "Big 10 man," who may or may not be a figment of his imagination.
That said, USC would be negligent if they weren't looking at options.
(04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
If this were to happen I would think they would almost certainly try and add a west coast school over Kansas, Iowa State, etc. If you’re going to go out there you might as well go all in out there.
(04-05-2022 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
Greg Flugaur, aka the Dude of Minnesota. This guy's main schtick is picking fights with the Dude of West Virginia and talking about "Big 10 man," who may or may not be a figment of his imagination.
That said, USC would be negligent if they weren't looking at options.
Flug and TheDude are the same person. Do not believe anything he posts.
this dude is 1000% full of crap, and he's always been full of crap
(04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
USC does not mind traveling to the Midwest every two years to play Notre Dame, but beyond that it is not happening. The USC AD has been clear that they are not going to send their Olympic sports teams back east for conference games. Lincoln Riley is in the process of locking down west coast recruiting and keeping the Big Ten schools out and joining the Big Ten would be inviting them back in. Plus, USC does almost no recruiting in the Midwest. The Big Ten is a cash cow, but that does not mean it is a good idea to be in the Big Ten. With an $8 billion dollar endowment, USC does not need the cash.
(04-05-2022 02:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
USC does not mind traveling to the Midwest every two years to play Notre Dame, but beyond that it is not happening. The USC AD has been clear that they are not going to send their Olympic sports teams back east for conference games. Lincoln Riley is in the process of locking down west coast recruiting and keeping the Big Ten schools out and joining the Big Ten would be inviting them back in. Plus, USC does almost no recruiting in the Midwest. The Big Ten is a cash cow, but that does not mean it is a good idea to be in the Big Ten. With an $8 billion dollar endowment, USC does not need the cash.
I'm not trying to disagree with what you're saying other than the endowment comment. What does that have to do with the athletic department?
Also, this Minnesota guy is a fraud.
Maybe this is the start of blowing up the entire system. Regionalize Olympics in smaller conferences minus bball. Create conferences just for revenue sports. Men's and woman's basketball and football.
4 to 6 PAC schools in the B1G for basketball and football. The rest of Olympics in small regional conferences.
(04-05-2022 02:46 PM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 02:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
USC does not mind traveling to the Midwest every two years to play Notre Dame, but beyond that it is not happening. The USC AD has been clear that they are not going to send their Olympic sports teams back east for conference games. Lincoln Riley is in the process of locking down west coast recruiting and keeping the Big Ten schools out and joining the Big Ten would be inviting them back in. Plus, USC does almost no recruiting in the Midwest. The Big Ten is a cash cow, but that does not mean it is a good idea to be in the Big Ten. With an $8 billion dollar endowment, USC does not need the cash.
I'm not trying to disagree with what you're saying other than the endowment comment. What does that have to do with the athletic department?
Also, this Minnesota guy is a fraud.
I used the endowment figure just to show that money is no issue for USC. Lincoln Riley is projected to be the highest paid head coach in college football this season. Season tickets sales and donations to the athletic department are up since he was hired. Riley just bought a $17.2 million dollar, 13,000-square-foot oceanfront mansion in Palos Verdes Peninsula in Southern California and I am sure that USC helped him with that purchase, in some way. Bottom line, the extra $10-20 million annually a school like USC might earn by being a member of the Big Ten is nothing compared to the kind of money USC has. For USC, the move does not make sense.
(04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan
Bucky Badger expects better from you
LOL dude, look at the date of that tweet! :D
(04-05-2022 03:09 PM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this is the start of blowing up the entire system. Regionalize Olympics in smaller conferences minus bball. Create conferences just for revenue sports. Men's and woman's basketball and football.
4 to 6 PAC schools in the B1G for basketball and football. The rest of Olympics in small regional conferences.
...it isn't ALL that far-fetched to see the top half of the PAC form a 'West Wing' of the BIG10... for example... (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington) - (yeah, let's keep it simple with all Cali schools to the BIG10, although probably one of the AZ schools could sneak in over one) ...and with that, perhaps the remnants of the PAC jump into the BIGXII? so, 12+6... 18, with:
Okla. St.
K-State
Kansas
Iowa St.
West Va.
TexasTech
Baylor
TCU
BYU
UCF
Cincy
Houston
Arizona
Arizona St.
Utah
Colorado
Washington St.
Oregon St.
would make for an interesting conference, most likely 3x6 scenario, if divisions are needed... coast to coast league for sure... Utah vs. USF, anyone?
I'm a Big Ten guy through and through, but regardless of any financial differences between the Big Ten and Pac-12 (which are significant), USC won't be in the Big Ten without effectively a full merger between the Big Ten and Pac-12 (which would help out the Pac-12 schools a lot more than the Big Ten schools). A lot of people seem to gloss over the fact that the SEC additions of Texas and Oklahoma constituted a very marginal expansion in terms of geographic footprint and cultural fit. In contrast, throwing in massive brands names into other P5 leagues without taking into account how it's waaaaaay different having outlier schools (whether geographically or culturally) reeks of a shotgun marriage for a temporary boost in dollars that will eventually fall apart.
(04-05-2022 03:22 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 02:46 PM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 02:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
USC does not mind traveling to the Midwest every two years to play Notre Dame, but beyond that it is not happening. The USC AD has been clear that they are not going to send their Olympic sports teams back east for conference games. Lincoln Riley is in the process of locking down west coast recruiting and keeping the Big Ten schools out and joining the Big Ten would be inviting them back in. Plus, USC does almost no recruiting in the Midwest. The Big Ten is a cash cow, but that does not mean it is a good idea to be in the Big Ten. With an $8 billion dollar endowment, USC does not need the cash.
I'm not trying to disagree with what you're saying other than the endowment comment. What does that have to do with the athletic department?
Also, this Minnesota guy is a fraud.
I used the endowment figure just to show that money is no issue for USC. Lincoln Riley is projected to be the highest paid head coach in college football this season. Season tickets sales and donations to the athletic department are up since he was hired. Riley just bought a $17.2 million dollar, 13,000-square-foot oceanfront mansion in Palos Verdes Peninsula in Southern California and I am sure that USC helped him with that purchase, in some way. Bottom line, the extra $10-20 million annually a school like USC might earn by being a member of the Big Ten is nothing compared to the kind of money USC has. For USC, the move does not make sense.
If you think that USC's endowment shows that money is no issue for them, then you don't understand what an endowment is and how it may be used. Unless USC's
athletic department has its own endowment, separate from the university's endowment, that $8 billion, or whatever it is, is not available to them.
And it's not an extra $10-20 million. It's at least double that amount, and getting larger. They may still decide that changing conferences is not the right move for them, but it won't be because the money isn't that significant.
I believe if the B1G is going to expand to the west coast, it will have to include at least 6 schools, and probably more.
(04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things.
Since its not obvious to me what the Big Ten has decided yet regarding getting rid of divisions, and the # of conference games, how can you claim he has been spot on on the Big Ten's plans. So far the Big Ten has looked at lots of ideas and then changed nothing.
(04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
The Big Ten eventually will match a 20-team SEC. Adding USC, Oregon, and a negotiated exit from Notre Dame out of the ACC will be a likely part of it.
(04-05-2022 07:05 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
The Big Ten eventually will match a 20-team SEC. Adding USC, Oregon, and a negotiated exit from Notre Dame out of the ACC will be a likely part of it.
B1G with Stanford, USC, UCLA, ASU, Colorado and Kansas makes more sense than going with Duke/UNC. At least I have always thought.
(04-05-2022 05:33 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 03:22 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 02:46 PM)cubucks Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 02:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2022 01:20 PM)bgwisc Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is a Minnesota Gophers fan who appears to know someone that works at Fox and/or the B1G offices. He's been spot on (and ahead of the curve) on the B1G's plans to get rid of divisions, the number of conference games, and some other random things. He's claiming USC reached out to the B1G directly recently.
Assuming it's true, I doubt the B1G would only add 1 school. If you were the B1G and your focus was maximizing revenues ahead of a new contract that will pay $75 million + per school, who would you add? I'd think its 1 of Oregon, Washington, Kansas, or maybe you take a swing at Stanford.
https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15...0863292418
USC does not mind traveling to the Midwest every two years to play Notre Dame, but beyond that it is not happening. The USC AD has been clear that they are not going to send their Olympic sports teams back east for conference games. Lincoln Riley is in the process of locking down west coast recruiting and keeping the Big Ten schools out and joining the Big Ten would be inviting them back in. Plus, USC does almost no recruiting in the Midwest. The Big Ten is a cash cow, but that does not mean it is a good idea to be in the Big Ten. With an $8 billion dollar endowment, USC does not need the cash.
I'm not trying to disagree with what you're saying other than the endowment comment. What does that have to do with the athletic department?
Also, this Minnesota guy is a fraud.
I used the endowment figure just to show that money is no issue for USC. Lincoln Riley is projected to be the highest paid head coach in college football this season. Season tickets sales and donations to the athletic department are up since he was hired. Riley just bought a $17.2 million dollar, 13,000-square-foot oceanfront mansion in Palos Verdes Peninsula in Southern California and I am sure that USC helped him with that purchase, in some way. Bottom line, the extra $10-20 million annually a school like USC might earn by being a member of the Big Ten is nothing compared to the kind of money USC has. For USC, the move does not make sense.
If you think that USC's endowment shows that money is no issue for them, then you don't understand what an endowment is and how it may be used. Unless USC's athletic department has its own endowment, separate from the university's endowment, that $8 billion, or whatever it is, is not available to them.
And it's not an extra $10-20 million. It's at least double that amount, and getting larger. They may still decide that changing conferences is not the right move for them, but it won't be because the money isn't that significant.
The point was to show just how much money they have and can raise. They do take a small percentage of their endowment and use it to support university operational activities. In fiscal year 2019, that total figure was $246 million. In 2015, they had $180 million in their athletic endowment. In 2019, they completed an eight-year fundraising drive in athletics called the "Heritage Initiative" which totaled $748 million.
The money per school in the future is hard to quantify because the Pac-12 has been so incompetently run that they waste a lot of money, they have a TV contract that is obsolete, and their Pac-12 Network has horrible distribution and expenses. These are the 2020 fiscal number per power conference:
https://www.si.com/college/indiana/footb...ue-indiana
Big Ten: $768.9 million
SEC: $728.9 million
Pac-12: $533.8 million
ACC: $496.7 million
Big 12: $409.2 million
Big Ten: $54.3 million
SEC: $45.5 million
Big 12: $37 to $40.5 million
Pac-12: $33.6 million
ACC: $30.9 to $37 million
Ther current Pac-12 media deal was negotiated in 2011. By the time the Pac-12 gets to the negotiating table for their new media deal next year, the Big Ten will have negotiated their second media deal in that 12-year period. The Pac-12 is not going to catch the Big Ten or SEC. But they could easily bring in Net Revenue of $600 million or $50 million per school under a new contract. If the Big Ten is doing $1 billion in Net Revenue or $62.5 million per school in a 16-team conference, the difference is not enough for USC to move. As I said before, I don't think USC has any interest in moving whatsoever.