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(04-05-2022 12:21 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-04-2022 02:35 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote: [ -> ]clt recommends the lowly sun belt folks simply avoid the AAC chat page. you don't have to worry about us.

I'm going to recommend the AAC6 also avoid the AAC chat page. You aren't being well received by the locals over there.

Wait till they find out UNCC has ~100 dedicated fans and the smallest stadium in FBS.

(04-03-2022 11:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 08:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 05:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 03:57 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ] I clearly stated that all of the C-USA6 have issues, and the intent of this thread is to identify the perceived weakness of each program. This isn't a conspiracy.

LOL, you state “This is a thread meant to gain insight from the current AAC fan bases, not so much the thoughts of C-USA6 fans” and then proceed to comment and then zing SMU. Your actions betray you. You are no humble supplicant seeking information.

Please go away until your school officially joins.

I'm enjoying the constructive comments by the current AAC fans, but you choose not to address the topic. You'd rather bash the new additions, which has no relevance to this thread.

UNT's coach was SMU's top choice to replace Jank, but he choose to stay at UNT. That's just a fact. If you view my stating "UNT successfully fended off SMU to keep our coach" as "zinging SMU", than you have thin skin.

Forgive me, but I'll be staying.

You are a guest. It is not your place to boast superiority over any AAC member in any aspect. It is not your place to lecture any existing AAC fan.

You fool no one with the “perceived weakness” canard.

Look, the plain truth is North Texas St adds nothing to the AAC. They should have never been invited. It was an unfathomable and bewildering lapse of judgement.

Please leave. Your presence brings only a reminder of the coming decline.

Oh no a message board guy doesn't like the adds! Whatever will we do!!!

His school is part of the AAC. He belongs there. He doesn't feel the need to troll on other boards like the pathetic and insecure sun belt posters do. Those sun belt guys are so happy that they have to spend a ton of time pimping their league on other boards who don't give a crap about them

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(04-05-2022 10:33 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:21 AM)JoeJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 10:37 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:09 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]I created the thread to gain insight into what current AAC fans perceive to be our weaknesses. I know I want UNT addressing relevant issues as soon as possible. Some fans have taken it as an opportunity to vent their frustrations with how AAC expansion played out. I choose to focus on the posts that actually address the topic.

As to you comments...

Marshall, USM, & ODU are moving to the Sun Belt, and those fans are very welcoming. Is that a sign that the SB3 are moving up?

C-USA is excited about what their new members could bring to their basketball.... and they're happy the conference will survive.

Some fans on the AAC board are not welcoming. Whether it is out of snobbery or fear is irrelevant. The AAC6 are joining either way.

I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

No the SBC is not the best of the G5 football conferences. Give it a few more years and it will be even lower.

You don't have a clue.

I think the SBC is solidly in second right now (could argue first). MWC is still better because of Boise imo. The SBC has their version of Boise with App (to a lesser extent CCU/ULL). That’s what CUSA should be hoping Liberty can become. That’s really what has gotten the SBC in a position of power.

The SBC West moderately improves and the SBC is first. The SBC East should be at or near the top of G5 football divisions.

(04-05-2022 10:33 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:21 AM)JoeJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 10:37 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:09 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]I created the thread to gain insight into what current AAC fans perceive to be our weaknesses. I know I want UNT addressing relevant issues as soon as possible. Some fans have taken it as an opportunity to vent their frustrations with how AAC expansion played out. I choose to focus on the posts that actually address the topic.

As to you comments...

Marshall, USM, & ODU are moving to the Sun Belt, and those fans are very welcoming. Is that a sign that the SB3 are moving up?

C-USA is excited about what their new members could bring to their basketball.... and they're happy the conference will survive.

Some fans on the AAC board are not welcoming. Whether it is out of snobbery or fear is irrelevant. The AAC6 are joining either way.

I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

No the SBC is not the best of the G5 football conferences. Give it a few more years and it will be even lower.

You don't have a clue.

I think the SBC is solidly in second right now (could argue first). MWC is still better because of Boise imo. The SBC has their version of Boise with App (to a lesser extent CCU/ULL). That’s what CUSA should be hoping Liberty can become. That’s really what has gotten the SBC in a position of power.

Didnt WKU do ok against App in a bowl game last season?

Understand being a homer but CUSA is not below the SBC.

Conferences are only as good as their individual programs. The SBC will not suddenly become an amazing conference unless the teams get better. ULL got a great coach but they could go right gback to being bad. Consistency is what will make a conference thrive. Tech WKU MT and Liberty are consistently pretty strong. UTEp UsTEPed it up last year. The Belt got consistency in Marshall and I would imagine JMU. Not a bad upgrade. The jury is out on Sam and Jax St. they might just make CUSA quite good. NMST will upgrade basketball but I don’t see them helping football perception that much

Oh good, I was just thinking a comparison of conferences' strengths is just what this board has missed.

(04-05-2022 12:26 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 11:03 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote: [ -> ]clt says dont forget airports. AAC6 all have (except for uab) major airports nearby for ease of travel.

We have two.

clt says we have CLT obviously, and JQF for our mbb & fb charters as well for cheaper regional flights

(04-05-2022 11:19 AM)chuckk3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:33 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:21 AM)JoeJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 10:37 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

No the SBC is not the best of the G5 football conferences. Give it a few more years and it will be even lower.

You don't have a clue.

I think the SBC is solidly in second right now (could argue first). MWC is still better because of Boise imo. The SBC has their version of Boise with App (to a lesser extent CCU/ULL). That’s what CUSA should be hoping Liberty can become. That’s really what has gotten the SBC in a position of power.

Boise was a conference mate of ours. Boise and Tech joined the WAC the same year, and we played them every year until they were invited to the MWC. Tech knows Boise very well. In the 10 seasons from 2001-2010, Boise State recorded 114 wins and only 16 losses. Believe me, App/ULL/CCU are no "Boise".

Since year two (2015) of App’s FBS transition they are 73-19. They are well on their way. I hate the SBC but there’s no denying App’s success. Boise is 64-22 in that same timespan.

(04-05-2022 01:43 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:33 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:21 AM)JoeJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 10:37 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

No the SBC is not the best of the G5 football conferences. Give it a few more years and it will be even lower.

You don't have a clue.

I think the SBC is solidly in second right now (could argue first). MWC is still better because of Boise imo. The SBC has their version of Boise with App (to a lesser extent CCU/ULL). That’s what CUSA should be hoping Liberty can become. That’s really what has gotten the SBC in a position of power.

Didnt WKU do ok against App in a bowl game last season?

Understand being a homer but CUSA is not below the SBC.

WKU beat the brakes off of App. I was happy even though it was our biggest rival. However, App is literally what all of CUSA 4.0 wants. We haven’t been able to do what they’ve done which is become nationally respected. 73-19 since 2015 will do that. They’ve also beaten UNC and South Carolina in the same season. Like it or not that’s the truth (from one of CUSA 4.0’s biggest homers).

(04-05-2022 01:43 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:33 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 10:21 AM)JoeJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 10:37 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

No the SBC is not the best of the G5 football conferences. Give it a few more years and it will be even lower.

You don't have a clue.

I think the SBC is solidly in second right now (could argue first). MWC is still better because of Boise imo. The SBC has their version of Boise with App (to a lesser extent CCU/ULL). That’s what CUSA should be hoping Liberty can become. That’s really what has gotten the SBC in a position of power.

Didnt WKU do ok against App in a bowl game last season?

Understand being a homer but CUSA is not below the SBC.

UCF also beat Florida in a bowl game. Houston beat Auburn. With this logic, you're saying the AAC is a better top to bottom league than the SEC.

Florida nor Auburn are the standard bearers for the SEC.

Just saying SBC is better than CUSA doesnt make it so either. App has a good program and had success but that within itself doesnt put SBC over all the other G5 conferences or even some. After the shake up the MWC will be the best conference most years and the rest can be the next best one year and not the next. Not much difference in any of the conferences top to bottom.

Getting back to the original point of the thread, looks like the Sun Belt will be getting more practice in welcoming new members -

Marshall coach Chris Grassie announced on a local radio show that Kentucky, South Carolina, and WVU have all switched over and will play in the Sun Belt for men's soccer in 2022. Looks like the official official announcement is coming tomorrow...

This move leaves C-USA with 4 members in 2022.

(04-05-2022 03:37 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ]Florida nor Auburn are the standard bearers for the SEC.

Just saying SBC is better than CUSA doesnt make it so either. App has a good program and had success but that within itself doesnt put SBC over all the other G5 conferences or even some. After the shake up the MWC will be the best conference most years and the rest can be the next best one year and not the next. Not much difference in any of the conferences top to bottom.

I respect your opinion and thought process. I believe the SBC East in particular, given the teams and their history will be particularly strong year in and out. You'll see some down years, but more up than down. Running the table in the East, a decent OOC schedule and of course winning your 2 West games should put you in the real contention for a NY6 bowl more times than not.

Strength of schedule wouldn't be any concern for that division. It's more of surviving the gauntlet unscathed. For this reason, not all conferences are built the same. If CUSA has a couple teams in the Top 25, others at least in the top 50-75, you're looking good. Strength of schedule will come in to play.

The MWC in comparison doesn't have particularly overpowering divisions which I believe bodes well for their consistently strong teams to avoid beating themselves up inner division. They'll just allow others to eliminate themselves. That's where the challenge for the SBC will be.

App has done great things but Tech has had the same success on the field. Sonny Dykes beat two P5s in one year. App has had a lot to be proud of but don’t act like it hast been done by anyone else

(04-05-2022 04:20 PM)TealNation Wrote: [ -> ]the SBC East in particular

These things change all the time and we're all always just a coaching hire away (either direction) but right now I think the SB-E as a whole would be the strongest G5 division.

But that's not the whole conference.

And the SB-W would be the worst G5 division (CUSA doesn't have divisions of course, but would be stronger).

CUSA will definitely be stronger than SBW

(04-05-2022 04:44 PM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2022 04:20 PM)TealNation Wrote: [ -> ]the SBC East in particular

These things change all the time and we're all always just a coaching hire away (either direction) but right now I think the SB-E as a whole would be the strongest G5 division.

But that's not the whole conference.

And the SB-W would be the worst G5 division (CUSA doesn't have divisions of course, but would be stronger).

Well I say that because you only see the West teams twice a year. If those teams are down, they aren't making a huge impact on your strength of schedule. A solid OOC schedule will suffice. The same vice versa, if the East was down. West teams would still be okay.

It's more like two separate leagues in that aspect. Looking at a collective assessment of the league though, of course you would want both divisions to be more on the stronger end. More balance is good.

(04-05-2022 04:53 PM)theATLDawg Wrote: [ -> ]CUSA will definitely be stronger than SBW

The West will get better. No where else to go. A few have already hit rock bottom last season.

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

I'm sure this has already played out across the last six pages, but I'll give this one a go.

The SBC has absolutely taken some big steps forward both on the field and in terms of public and national perception in large part thanks to Coastal, Louisiana, and App State's recent success.

The AAC losing their access bowl teams is a big hit to their on field performance. But we all know how long it takes perception to catch up. UAB and UTSA will be pretty good replacements, and have the potential in a few years to be like some of those teams that left, but it's exactly that...potential.

Speaking of potential, when all of the dust finally settled, I believed that the SBC would be the best G5 conference in the land. However, the same rules that apply to the AAC, also apply to the SBC. Marshall is the only football program that currently adds to the strength of the SBC. We hope and believe that JMU will take it's FCS strength an turn it into an FBS power. The going logic is that Southern Miss won't be down forever, and should rebound as a program. We saw ODU massively improve last season and believe maybe they will continue that trend.

But friends, hope and potential are words built on a house of cards, and you never really know how that's going to turn out. We've been betting on South Alabama to turn it on any day now, but they've been garbage every single year. Sorry, I had to take that shot, lol. You could say the same about Texas State, really.

Southern Miss, ODU, and JMU currently make the SBC worse if you're looking it from a pure rankings view. Many on the SBC board won't like me saying that, but I think it's a pretty objective way to look at what's currently happening. Plus, a lot happens year to year, and in two years luck may have favored the MWC, or CUSA. I truly believe the four schools we added will improve the SBC in long run, but nothing is set in stone, and right now, it's all just potential.

Speaking of CUSA. While I think this is currently the weakest conference, I don't think it's the dumpster fire it's been made out to be. Liberty, WKU, and La Tech could all be top level G5 programs soon. JSU and SHSU aren't garbage adds. They have been good FCS programs for a while, and could exceed expectations.

Just my two cents. And yes, I am aware that this is a different take than I have given in the past, but after having half of an off season to detach from the noise, this is how I feel about the current state of our conferences.

(04-05-2022 05:22 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

I'm sure this has already played out across the last six pages, but I'll give this one a go.

The SBC has absolutely taken some big steps forward both on the field and in terms of public and national perception in large part thanks to Coastal, Louisiana, and App State's recent success.

The AAC losing their access bowl teams is a big hit to their on field performance. But we all know how long it takes perception to catch up. UAB and UTSA will be pretty good replacements, and have the potential in a few years to be like some of those teams that left, but it's exactly that...potential.

Speaking of potential, when all of the dust finally settled, I believed that the SBC would be the best G5 conference in the land. However, the same rules that apply to the AAC, also apply to the SBC. Marshall is the only football program that currently adds to the strength of the SBC. We hope and believe that JMU will take it's FCS strength an turn it into an FBS power. The going logic is that Southern Miss won't be down forever, and should rebound as a program. We saw ODU massively improve last season and believe maybe they will continue that trend.

But friends, hope and potential are words built on a house of cards, and you never really know how that's going to turn out. We've been betting on South Alabama to turn it on any day now, but they've been garbage every single year. Sorry, I had to take that shot, lol. You could say the same about Texas State, really.

Southern Miss, ODU, and JMU currently make the SBC worse if you're looking it from a pure rankings view. Many on the SBC board won't like me saying that, but I think it's a pretty objective way to look at what's currently happening. Plus, a lot happens year to year, and in two years luck may have favored the MWC, or CUSA. I truly believe the four schools we added will improve the SBC in long run, but nothing is set in stone, and right now, it's all just potential.

Speaking of CUSA. While I think this is currently the weakest conference, I don't think it's the dumpster fire it's been made out to be. Liberty, WKU, and La Tech could all be top level G5 programs soon. JSU and SHSU aren't garbage adds. They have been good FCS programs for a while, and could exceed expectations.

Just my two cents. And yes, I am aware that this is a different take than I have given in the past, but after having half of an off season to detach from the noise, this is how I feel about the current state of our conferences.

Exactly. That's the truth of the matter. They will have to "overachieve" in the way the SBC has, be opportunistic, and build the league back up. Definitely easier said than done, but not impossible.They did the best with what they had. We'll see how things play out.

(04-05-2022 05:22 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2022 09:57 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say moving up, but the Sun Belt is now the best G5 conference without a doubt or the tallest midget.

I'm sure this has already played out across the last six pages, but I'll give this one a go.

The SBC has absolutely taken some big steps forward both on the field and in terms of public and national perception in large part thanks to Coastal, Louisiana, and App State's recent success.

The AAC losing their access bowl teams is a big hit to their on field performance. But we all know how long it takes perception to catch up. UAB and UTSA will be pretty good replacements, and have the potential in a few years to be like some of those teams that left, but it's exactly that...potential.

Speaking of potential, when all of the dust finally settled, I believed that the SBC would be the best G5 conference in the land. However, the same rules that apply to the AAC, also apply to the SBC. Marshall is the only football program that currently adds to the strength of the SBC. We hope and believe that JMU will take it's FCS strength an turn it into an FBS power. The going logic is that Southern Miss won't be down forever, and should rebound as a program. We saw ODU massively improve last season and believe maybe they will continue that trend.

But friends, hope and potential are words built on a house of cards, and you never really know how that's going to turn out. We've been betting on South Alabama to turn it on any day now, but they've been garbage every single year. Sorry, I had to take that shot, lol. You could say the same about Texas State, really.

Southern Miss, ODU, and JMU currently make the SBC worse if you're looking it from a pure rankings view. Many on the SBC board won't like me saying that, but I think it's a pretty objective way to look at what's currently happening. Plus, a lot happens year to year, and in two years luck may have favored the MWC, or CUSA. I truly believe the four schools we added will improve the SBC in long run, but nothing is set in stone, and right now, it's all just potential.

Speaking of CUSA. While I think this is currently the weakest conference, I don't think it's the dumpster fire it's been made out to be. Liberty, WKU, and La Tech could all be top level G5 programs soon. JSU and SHSU aren't garbage adds. They have been good FCS programs for a while, and could exceed expectations.

Just my two cents. And yes, I am aware that this is a different take than I have given in the past, but after having half of an off season to detach from the noise, this is how I feel about the current state of our conferences.

Troy, you are a joke of a program and always have been. Not as bad a joke as West Kentucky, but pretty bad. We will mop the floor with you guys starting year one and youll be calling us Daddy soon, like La Tech does.