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Would a combined facility make sense if the Bengals cannot build next to PBS?

Mike isn't real good at sharing. He's better at taking.

(03-31-2022 08:07 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/benga...bh4iaphCC8

Would a combined facility make sense if the Bengals cannot build next to PBS?

My understanding is that a shared facility was discussed with the Bengals when the current bubble facility was created and there was no interest by the Brown family in partnering.

Maybe things have changed on the riverfront. After all, they are signing experienced offensive linemen to protect Burrow which may mark a renewed commitment to winning for this city. Realistically, if UC can go it alone on the IPF, if designed properly, it will enhance the total athletic program as Big 12 competition begins.

Methinks Mikey finally figured out that he can raise ticket prices when his team actually does something in the playoffs.

Since I'm not naive, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Bengals finally decide to invest and be competitive during the last few years of their stadium contract.

They know that they can shake down the taxpayers (of Hamilton county or whatever other cities/counties they talk to) for a lot more money if they have a track record of investing and succeeding at a high level.

That said, I'm interested to see what happens with this IPF in terms of how much it costs and who pays for it. It could be an indicator of the Brown family's intentions... do they expect Hamilton county to give them another ludicrous handout, or do they expect that they'll have to find another city to grift this time around?

(03-31-2022 09:24 AM)TubaCat Wrote: [ -> ]Since I'm not naive, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Bengals finally decide to invest and be competitive during the last few years of their stadium contract.

They know that they can shake down the taxpayers (of Hamilton county or whatever other cities/counties they talk to) for a lot more money if they have a track record of investing and succeeding at a high level.

That said, I'm interested to see what happens with this IPF in terms of how much it costs and who pays for it. It could be an indicator of the Brown family's intentions... do they expect Hamilton county to give them another ludicrous handout, or do they expect that they'll have to find another city to grift this time around?

Would we be OK if the Bengals left town? I have mixed feelings. It would make UC the only game in town from September (Reds are done by September) until December.

(03-31-2022 09:32 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 09:24 AM)TubaCat Wrote: [ -> ]Since I'm not naive, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Bengals finally decide to invest and be competitive during the last few years of their stadium contract.

They know that they can shake down the taxpayers (of Hamilton county or whatever other cities/counties they talk to) for a lot more money if they have a track record of investing and succeeding at a high level.

That said, I'm interested to see what happens with this IPF in terms of how much it costs and who pays for it. It could be an indicator of the Brown family's intentions... do they expect Hamilton county to give them another ludicrous handout, or do they expect that they'll have to find another city to grift this time around?

Would we be OK if the Bengals left town? I have mixed feelings. It would make UC the only game in town from September (Reds are done by September) until December.

It would be a positive if the Bengals left town.

Alternative 1: spend $1 billion of taxpayer money on a run-of-the-mill stadium that is used 8 times a year to benefit spectators who are almost all in the 90th+ percentile income bracket

Alternative 2: spend $2 billion of taxpayer money on an indoor stadium that is used 8 times a year for football, and may be useful at luring other large events to town that mostly benefits out-of-town hotel owners and downtown bar owners

Alternative 3: Open up about 40 acres of prime property for development and save the $1 billion for a more worthwhile project.

Alternative 4 aka Pipe Dream With 0% probability: Open up 40 acres of prime property for development and allow every household in Hamilton County to keep an extra $3,000 per year (1 billion/344k households in the county=2,906).

(03-31-2022 10:25 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 09:32 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 09:24 AM)TubaCat Wrote: [ -> ]Since I'm not naive, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Bengals finally decide to invest and be competitive during the last few years of their stadium contract.

They know that they can shake down the taxpayers (of Hamilton county or whatever other cities/counties they talk to) for a lot more money if they have a track record of investing and succeeding at a high level.

That said, I'm interested to see what happens with this IPF in terms of how much it costs and who pays for it. It could be an indicator of the Brown family's intentions... do they expect Hamilton county to give them another ludicrous handout, or do they expect that they'll have to find another city to grift this time around?

Would we be OK if the Bengals left town? I have mixed feelings. It would make UC the only game in town from September (Reds are done by September) until December.

It would be a positive if the Bengals left town.

Alternative 1: spend $1 billion of taxpayer money on a run-of-the-mill stadium that is used 8 times a year to benefit spectators who are almost all in the 90th+ percentile income bracket

Alternative 2: spend $2 billion of taxpayer money on an indoor stadium that is used 8 times a year for football, and may be useful at luring other large events to town that mostly benefits out-of-town hotel owners and downtown bar owners

Alternative 3: Open up about 40 acres of prime property for development and save the $1 billion for a more worthwhile project.

Alternative 4 aka Pipe Dream With 0% probability: Open up 40 acres of prime property for development and allow every household in Hamilton County to keep an extra $3,000 per year (1 billion/344k households in the county=2,906).

Bolded, and not knowing what the actual cost would be, this is the only plan that has the potential to be a better economic engine than an infrequently used, open air PBS. What was once a pretty thriving convention business in this city is now long gone. The Convention Center is far too small and the available hotels lack capacity to compete with similar sized cities in the region--Indianapolis, Columbus, Nashville. Indianapolis got it right and what is now Lucas Oil Stadium energized a renaissance of hotels, restaurants and shopping in their central business district.

Would Warren County or Northern KY taxpayers take on the tax burden to build a new stadium and keep the Bengals in this metro area? I have no idea, but I would doubt it. What lies ahead is an impending firestorm over the lease and property taxes that may well take the Bengals elsewhere.

(03-31-2022 10:43 AM)OKIcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 10:25 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 09:32 AM)doss2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 09:24 AM)TubaCat Wrote: [ -> ]Since I'm not naive, I don't think it's a coincidence that the Bengals finally decide to invest and be competitive during the last few years of their stadium contract.

They know that they can shake down the taxpayers (of Hamilton county or whatever other cities/counties they talk to) for a lot more money if they have a track record of investing and succeeding at a high level.

That said, I'm interested to see what happens with this IPF in terms of how much it costs and who pays for it. It could be an indicator of the Brown family's intentions... do they expect Hamilton county to give them another ludicrous handout, or do they expect that they'll have to find another city to grift this time around?

Would we be OK if the Bengals left town? I have mixed feelings. It would make UC the only game in town from September (Reds are done by September) until December.

It would be a positive if the Bengals left town.

Alternative 1: spend $1 billion of taxpayer money on a run-of-the-mill stadium that is used 8 times a year to benefit spectators who are almost all in the 90th+ percentile income bracket

Alternative 2: spend $2 billion of taxpayer money on an indoor stadium that is used 8 times a year for football, and may be useful at luring other large events to town that mostly benefits out-of-town hotel owners and downtown bar owners

Alternative 3: Open up about 40 acres of prime property for development and save the $1 billion for a more worthwhile project.

Alternative 4 aka Pipe Dream With 0% probability: Open up 40 acres of prime property for development and allow every household in Hamilton County to keep an extra $3,000 per year (1 billion/344k households in the county=2,906).

Bolded, and not knowing what the actual cost would be, this is the only plan that has the potential to be a better economic engine than an infrequently used, open air PBS. What was once a pretty thriving convention business in this city is now long gone. The Convention Center is far too small and the available hotels lack capacity to compete with similar sized cities in the region--Indianapolis, Columbus, Nashville. Indianapolis got it right and what is now Lucas Oil Stadium energized a renaissance of hotels, restaurants and shopping in their central business district.

Would Warren County or Northern KY taxpayers take on the tax burden to build a new stadium and keep the Bengals in this metro area? I have no idea, but I would doubt it. What lies ahead is an impending firestorm over the lease and property taxes that may well take the Bengals elsewhere.

If the convention center also needs to be upgraded to compete for large conventions, then why even bother? Now you're talking $3 billion. That's $9,000 per household.

The current convention center is too far away to have a conference use the stadium. It's 5 blocks, and 2 of those blocks are on rather steep hills.

Putting the convention center & stadium side-by-side would solve that, but that would involve abandoning the current convention center. And probably putting part of the new one over Ft Washington Way (because the Bengals site isn't big enough for a large stadium and convention center, even if you include their current practice fields). And to make it worthwhile going that big, we'd need to double the number of hotel rooms in downtown (currently about 3,600; Downtown Indy has 7,700)

Further, the additional hotels would have to be within a few blocks of the convention center to attract a convention. That's REALLY tough because the site is largely boxed in by the River on the South, Ft Washington Way and a wall of skyscrapers on the North, a mess of bridges and a huge electrical substation to the West, and on the East there's 1 empty block and then the brand new Banks complex. And I'm sure ODOT will have something to say about any new construction West because they need a corridor for the new Brent Spence replacement (and temporary bridges during the construction).

Anything is possible with enough money I guess. But the current convention center is just fine for mid-sized conventions; we're only missing out on the truly huge ones. Most huge conventions skip mid-sized cities anyways, and go to cities that are airport hubs (like Denver or Atlanta) or vacation destinations (like Orlando or San Diego).

Is it worth spending $3 billion just to swing for those? We have some great advantages - an unparalleled naturally beautiful setting for 8 months of the year, a large airport, a safe downtown, museums and culture in walking distance, and a surprisingly large walkable neighborhood that compares favorably with any city in the country outside NYC/Chicago/SF. But we also have some huge weakness - a cold weather climate, a chicken-and-egg problem with building enough hotel rooms, and (perhaps most damning) the lack of a public rail system.

It might be worth it, but it would require a visionary leader of the type this city has rarely had (other than Mark Mallory). And we'd HAVE to solve the Brent Spence problem first before we could even consider where to build it.

Watch. Here comes the push to replace the outdated stadium. Gotta love the Brown family.

(03-31-2022 11:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Watch. Here comes the push to replace the outdated stadium. Gotta love the Brown family.

12 months ago the Hamilton County voters would have rejected any bill to fund a new stadium. If put on the ballot now it would easily pass IMHO.

Glad I live in Clermont County and I no longer pay Hamilton County Municipal Tax.

Hamilton County taxpayers = Brown Family's piggy bank

(03-31-2022 11:54 AM)bearcatmill Wrote: [ -> ]Hamilton County taxpayers = Brown Family's piggy bank

As a Hamilton County Tax payer, this burns.

I'd write a check for a $1000 today, to make the Bengals go away forever. Regardless, if they do get a new stadium, the Browns can't be the dictators of the space. It should be able to be used for all kinds of events (Bowl games, concerts, High school playoffs, and whatever else).

Yup, it's all about a new stadium deal.

They can stay, as long as it doesn't cost me.

Spent last week staying in a condo on second street in Covington. Spent most of our evenings out in that area. I enjoy ensuring as little of my sales tax penny’s as possible go towards the Brown Family Lucky Sperm Club Slush Fund.

Everyone of you guys are dead wrong....Read Katies article about the Bills new stadium and you will see they have no interest in a new stadium now.....such negativity on this board is fuckin amazing.....

(03-31-2022 01:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Spent last week staying in a condo on second street in Covington. Spent most of our evenings out in that area. I enjoy ensuring as little of my sales tax penny’s as possible go towards the Brown Family Lucky Sperm Club Slush Fund.

Blinker's Tavern...thank me later. Lived 4 years in the Roebling Row apartments, hit that place a ton.

Did it for the 1st time on Friday evening! Was only there for a cocktail but will grab a bite next time. Really enjoyed it. Nice being able to walk about.

Whatever it takes to keep the Bengals in Cincinnati you do it!! What do we really get for paying all these taxes anyway. At least you get to keep your hometown football team.

(03-31-2022 03:28 PM)bcat1997 Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever it takes to keep the Bengals in Cincinnati you do it!! What do we really get for paying all these taxes anyway. At least you get to keep your hometown football team.

"Whatever it takes to keep the Bengals in Cincinnati you do it!!"

Why? They are a burden on the taxpayers and add little value.

"What do we really get for paying all these taxes anyway."

Very little. That's why I would like to pay less of them. New stadium = additional taxes. The thing about adding taxes, they never ever seem to go away.