Why? Just go to some of the NCAA Tournament threads and you'll see other fans rip the Big Ten to shreds and the NCAA Tournament has barely even started yet. Among the teams that have gotten the most hate for getting in the tournament seem to be Rutgers and Michigan. I agree Rutgers doesn't belong in the NCAA Tournament but I feel Michigan does and most of the bracketologists in the Bracket Matrix agree with me on Michigan while less than half of them feel Rutgers is an NCAA Tournament team (
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/). Rutgers loses in the First Four and everyone says they don't belong. Indiana wins and no one says anything about them belonging or that Wyoming doesn't belong. Even worse, there were plenty of anti Big Ten slams. I remember last year all of the negative comments towards the Big Ten and admittedly most of it was deserved, we sucked last year as a conference. But I'm pretty sure most of CSNBBS is against the Big Ten in general and I take it personally. As long as the Big Ten keeps losing, the hate is going to continue. The only way it stops is if the Big Ten wins.
I know fans should root for their school(s) first. But media contracts of course are determined by conferences. If the Big Ten is perceived as a loser conference or completely inferior to that other conference, why should FOX and ESPN give us big bucks? Why should North Carolina and Virginia want to come to our conference and not go to that conference down south? If that other conference expands further up the East Coast and the Big Ten doesn't or has to accept lesser schools in the area to keep up, the gap between the Big Ten and that other conference widens. People talk about Ohio State joining the SEC. No one ever thinks Alabama will join the Big Ten. Why is that? The ACC fans refer to Northerners as "Yankees" and I can tell it's used as an insult. They probably respect Ole Miss more than they respect Illinois or Penn State. Bill Walton sounded like a complete idiot as a broadcaster when talking about his conference and using that phrase which I won't use because using it acknowledges it ... until 2021. The Big Ten should just quit men's basketball if the Pathetic 12 wins a national championship before we do.
I didn't invent the game, I'm just playing it. I'm not the only one who ties schools to conferences or judges schools by their conferences or roots for or against conferences. You may think it doesn't matter to your Big Ten school whether or not the Big Ten is perceived as good or bad but think again. If other people are going to hype up their conferences and put down ours, well I'm going to fight back.
GO BIG TEN (especially Illinois of course)!
(03-17-2022 09:34 AM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]Why? Just go to some of the NCAA Tournament threads and you'll see other fans rip the Big Ten to shreds and the NCAA Tournament has barely even started yet. Among the teams that have gotten the most hate for getting in the tournament seem to be Rutgers and Michigan. I agree Rutgers doesn't belong in the NCAA Tournament but I feel Michigan does and most of the bracketologists in the Bracket Matrix agree with me on Michigan while less than half of them feel Rutgers is an NCAA Tournament team (http://www.bracketmatrix.com/). Rutgers loses in the First Four and everyone says they don't belong. Indiana wins and no one says anything about them belonging or that Wyoming doesn't belong. Even worse, there were plenty of anti Big Ten slams. I remember last year all of the negative comments towards the Big Ten and admittedly most of it was deserved, we sucked last year as a conference. But I'm pretty sure most of CSNBBS is against the Big Ten in general and I take it personally. As long as the Big Ten keeps losing, the hate is going to continue. The only way it stops is if the Big Ten wins.
I know fans should root for their school(s) first. But media contracts of course are determined by conferences. If the Big Ten is perceived as a loser conference or completely inferior to that other conference, why should FOX and ESPN give us big bucks? Why should North Carolina and Virginia want to come to our conference and not go to that conference down south? If that other conference expands further up the East Coast and the Big Ten doesn't or has to accept lesser schools in the area to keep up, the gap between the Big Ten and that other conference widens. People talk about Ohio State joining the SEC. No one ever thinks Alabama will join the Big Ten. Why is that? The ACC fans refer to Northerners as "Yankees" and I can tell it's used as an insult. They probably respect Ole Miss more than they respect Illinois or Penn State. Bill Walton sounded like a complete idiot as a broadcaster when talking about his conference and using that phrase which I won't use because using it acknowledges it ... until 2021. The Big Ten should just quit men's basketball if the Pathetic 12 wins a national championship before we do.
I didn't invent the game, I'm just playing it. I'm not the only one who ties schools to conferences or judges schools by their conferences or roots for or against conferences. You may think it doesn't matter to your Big Ten school whether or not the Big Ten is perceived as good or bad but think again. If other people are going to hype up their conferences and put down ours, well I'm going to fight back.
GO BIG TEN (especially Illinois of course)!
I'm not going to really disagree with the BIG hate on the main board. To me, it's very "Southern" over there and it is what it is. I also agree that many like to insult people to the north, so what! I could care less what posters on a forum think of me Why? Because they really don't know squat about who I truly am.
With that said, I'm not a huge conference cheerleader. I do love this conference, just not all the teams in it. It's a strong conference with a lot of solid teams. When I fight back is when a fan of a team who hasn't done a damn thing thinks its OK to run their mouth because a team in their conference is strong. That drives me crazy and it drives me away from the forum for a period of time.
With that said, conference pride is great if you can be respectful about it and not obnoxious, I've not seen many able to do this so good luck!
I'm with you! Proud alumnus and I will rep my Spartans until the end! Also I have love for my conference the B1G, and don't find it necessary to hate on other conferences! Don't get sucked in, haters gonna hate!
Tournament time is definitely when you put rivalries aside and hope that as many teams in your league advance as possible. Their success is your schools’ success because they are going to raise the perception of the conference.
The thing is we want to think of ourselves as worldly, even if most of us don't live up to the standards we put on ourselves. On the other hand, the folks on the other side live by an "us against the world" code of living. It's a lingering resentment from a big event a hundred and fifty years ago, in which they failed in achieving their objective.
It's the way they play sports: dirty and low down. And it works for them because we don't want to go to their level. And now with a massive corporate backer behind them they're convinced that they'll win in the end.
Well, we can't control that. However, one lesson learned is values are more important than money. It's a reason why I loathe this conference dealing with Disney and want to untie ourselves from that association once and for all.
Another thing is if others want to join the other group then that means they share the values of that other group and would not be a fit for us. So, yes, Texas and Oklahoma are not fits for us.
(03-25-2022 07:01 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is we want to think of ourselves as worldly, even if most of us don't live up to the standards we put on ourselves. On the other hand, the folks on the other side live by an "us against the world" code of living. It's a lingering resentment from a big event a hundred and fifty years ago, in which they failed in achieving their objective.
It's the way they play sports: dirty and low down. And it works for them because we don't want to go to their level. And now with a massive corporate backer behind them they're convinced that they'll win in the end.
Well, we can't control that. However, one lesson learned is values are more important than money. It's a reason why I loathe this conference dealing with Disney and want to untie ourselves from that association once and for all.
Another thing is if others want to join the other group then that means they share the values of that other group and would not be a fit for us. So, yes, Texas and Oklahoma are not fits for us.
I covered violations for over a decade, just not for the NCAA. Nobody, B10 included, has been clean, and some of the violations under the sweater would make your skin crawl. Big Money, big college sports, recruiting, none of it is, or has been clean. So find another reason to want to distinguish yourself, because this one isn't it.
If you want to hold athletes to a higher academic standard that would be a good cause and a worthy point of distinction.
Now as to a 150 year old cause, Jim Crow handicapped the South in athletics. The SEC renaissance started in the 70's when Bryant integrated Bama's team. He and John McKay set up the USC 2 game schedule and McKay, with Cunningham I think, came into Birmingham and destroyed the Tide. Alabama integrated the next season, ran the wishbone and won. That was the beginning. Herschel and Bo in the early 80's was the turnaround.
The Big 8 and Big 10 recruited African American athletes in the South unchallenged until the mid 70's. When manufacturing jobs left the North and Jim Crow ended the worm turned.
Now most athletes stay in the South. NIL may change this, we'll see.
And Transic, the Supreme Court is enforcing the values you rail against. It's now law, and will be reinforced by pay for play.
^And end college sports for good. At that point, we'd just rent out the stadia to private operators to host events as they please. Athletes would just pay for the courses they want to take, just like walk-ons do currently. Who knows, there wouldn't be a reason to have the names of the colleges on the jerseys themselves. The jerseys would just say "Columbus", "Ann Arbor", "Evanston", etc.. Syracuse would still be Syracuse, though, since it's in the city.