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(03-31-2022 10:45 AM)namrag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 09:10 AM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 06:57 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes he just pulls the trigger with his eyes closed because there is a shell in the chamber. That ain’t hunting.

There is no defending some of those garbage chucks. They are turnovers. I wish the staff would sit his butt for those, the walking up court, the crying to refs and whatever it is he calls that on D. He’s playing Deveros summer league ball most games.

He took a lot of bad shots but he also hit some of them. He shot 36% from three, which is pretty solid, and his makes weren't all on good, smart looks. And, along the same lines as bearcatmark's comment, I think the opportunity cost, so to speak, of his bad shots was pretty low. Get some help around him and he could be very good on offense next season.

And despite your repeated efforts to portray him as some malcontent or diva or whatever, he seems like a solid person and good teammate. I imagine losing as much as he has these last two years has been hard for him. He's also dealt with personal stuff, like his father's sudden death not long ago. So it's great how UC fans--many of whom complained for years and years that we get no local guys--run down the Moeller kid who has stayed here through a coaching mess and a couple of crazy COVID years. I expect nothing less.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't care for the "So it's great how UC fans--many of whom complained for years and years that we get no local guys--run down the Moeller kid who has stayed here through a coaching mess and a couple of crazy COVID years. I expect nothing less." part.

If you think that criticizing his questionable shot selection is "running him down", then I think your perspective is wrong.

My guess is that the "diva" critiques are from his reactions when called for a foul, or his frequent crying to the refs.
This part of his game needs to go.
It is not a good look.
That shouldn't be a controversial take.

I question his shot selection too, literally in the post you quoted, so I don't believe that is running him down. It's the nonsense stuff rath v2.0 throws out there that he's a coach killer and doesn't hustle or his insinuation that he's a bad teammate ("If you were playing with a guy who does that . . .). I mean, crying to the refs; that's ubiquitous in college hoops these days. Davenport takes a ton of heat from fans, and it's not just that he is bad at D and has slow feet and takes questionable shots.

(03-31-2022 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not making anything up to hate on a guy. I’ve never seen a UC player get yelled at by assistant coaches to stop walking up court. Those kinds of guys never saw the court before now. It’s maddening. I watched JD a bunch in HS. He didn’t do this kind of crap at Moeller. He would have sat the bench for Carl Kremer if he had.

Anyhoo, I hope he figures it all out on both ends of the court and is outstanding going forward. There is no rule that says I have to fawn over a player just because he plays at UC. It isn’t surprising why we struggle mightily at times. He’s mercurial to put it nicely.

Right, I've never seen a UC player yelled at for not hustling, sure . . .

Have you ever seen one yelled at to stop walking up the court? Seriously.

(03-31-2022 12:13 PM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 10:45 AM)namrag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 09:10 AM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-31-2022 06:57 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes he just pulls the trigger with his eyes closed because there is a shell in the chamber. That ain’t hunting.

There is no defending some of those garbage chucks. They are turnovers. I wish the staff would sit his butt for those, the walking up court, the crying to refs and whatever it is he calls that on D. He’s playing Deveros summer league ball most games.

He took a lot of bad shots but he also hit some of them. He shot 36% from three, which is pretty solid, and his makes weren't all on good, smart looks. And, along the same lines as bearcatmark's comment, I think the opportunity cost, so to speak, of his bad shots was pretty low. Get some help around him and he could be very good on offense next season.

And despite your repeated efforts to portray him as some malcontent or diva or whatever, he seems like a solid person and good teammate. I imagine losing as much as he has these last two years has been hard for him. He's also dealt with personal stuff, like his father's sudden death not long ago. So it's great how UC fans--many of whom complained for years and years that we get no local guys--run down the Moeller kid who has stayed here through a coaching mess and a couple of crazy COVID years. I expect nothing less.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't care for the "So it's great how UC fans--many of whom complained for years and years that we get no local guys--run down the Moeller kid who has stayed here through a coaching mess and a couple of crazy COVID years. I expect nothing less." part.

If you think that criticizing his questionable shot selection is "running him down", then I think your perspective is wrong.

My guess is that the "diva" critiques are from his reactions when called for a foul, or his frequent crying to the refs.
This part of his game needs to go.
It is not a good look.
That shouldn't be a controversial take.

I question his shot selection too, literally in the post you quoted, so I don't believe that is running him down. It's the nonsense stuff rath v2.0 throws out there that he's a coach killer and doesn't hustle or his insinuation that he's a bad teammate ("If you were playing with a guy who does that . . .). I mean, crying to the refs; that's ubiquitous in college hoops these days. Davenport takes a ton of heat from fans, and it's not just that he is bad at D and has slow feet and takes questionable shots.

My opinion is that he does sometimes / all to often plays as a ball stopper on offense.
Regardless of where they are in the shot clock, he will chuck up a WTF shot.
That should be your option when the shot clock is about to expire, not the option the second you step over the halfcourt line.
There is no excuse for that, period.

I understand Rath's point about the effect on teammates when JD steps over the halfcourt line and immediately throws up a garbage long range 3.
If he is going to do that, then what difference does it make if they do anything at all or not?

You work hard on defense trying to get a stop, then JD walks over the halfcourt line and chucks up a clown shot without even looking at any of his teammates.
And then they are supposed to put out effort again on defense to get another stop so that he can go 1 on 5 and throw up another clown shot?

And JD cries to the refs more than anyone else on the team, and except for a few occasions, more than any player on any other team I saw UC play this year.

For both the WTF shot selections early in the shot clock, and the crying to the refs, I said numerous times during every game this season that "he ain't good enough to do that stuff".

Again, I like the guy. But there are aspects of his game that just can't exist if you want to have a competitive team.

I hope he continues to work on his game and eliminates those problematic aspects of his game.

I want UC basketball to win. I would love for JD to be a big part of that.

He is and can be such a big diplomat for the program due to his enthusiasm.

To distract this thread away from JD (I think we've heard Rath's opinion on him enough times) and back to the original purpose. It seems like we are starting to see offers to underwhelming players pop up.

I know there are a lot of guys in the portal, but how many of them are actually instant impact guys? Mike Saunders is ranked as the #131 transfer in the portal by EvanMiya. For some more perspective, if JD, MAW or Newman were to enter the transfer portal EvanMiya would rank them as the #54, #41 and #42 players respectively using their 2021-22 BPR and likely even higher using their 2022-23 projected BPR (which is what EvanMiya uses for transfers, not sure how to find it for non-transfers or if it even can be found). If a player is not at least top 100 (possibly closer to top 50) they probably aren't going to be a significant upgrade.

100 may sound like a lot, but when you start looking at the number of teams looking to add at least one transfer, it's hard to imagine us getting more than one top 100 guy. Don't forget, there were over 100 teams higher in Kenpom than us last year and when guys are looking at what team is likely to make the NCAA tournament next year, that matters. That 100 number is also limited by guys the coaches have some sort of relationship with, since if they have no connections it makes an even tougher sell to get guys here.

Now EvanMiya's system of ranking isn't perfect, it's just the one I prefer over bartorvik (which is the only other one I know). But the point remains that despite there being a lot of players in the portal, there aren't a lot of guys who are going to come in and be an instant upgrade. Hopefully Wes can get at least one instant upgrade type, but to expect him to get 2/3 of them is unrealistic. As I've said elsewhere, I expect/hope to add one starter from the transfer portal (a starting PG), not the 2/3 that many are hoping for. It's quite possible all of next years starters are currently on the team and we will add 3 guys who hopefully become quality backups/rotational players.

An absolute boat load of talent entered the portal in the last 2 days. Seems like UC is talking to 30 guards which is a good thing. But some of them make very little sense in both directions.

One has to love all the posts about players the posters want, but not one word by a player that indicates interest in UC.

I await hearing Wes's great portal recruits.

I believe "talking to" can mean as little as a UC assistant had a 2 minute conversation with the guy to see if he knows UC exists. Some guys claim to be "talking to" a team that has no interest in them in an effort to increase their own stock.

So far it seems like Brandon Murray is the only name that has leaked out as a guy we are really interested in. If he's our top guy, then we probably won't go too hard after other guards until he makes a decision.

Reading the 247 tea leaves (I'm not a member) and other forums, it sounds like NIL is probably going to come into play as well. Top transfer targets don't just want to play for a top NCAA tournament team anymore, they want to get paid while doing so. It's not just talking to coaches, but also to the businesses/boosters around the program to see what type of money they will make by going to a certain school.

(03-31-2022 12:55 PM)skyblade Wrote: [ -> ]To distract this thread away from JD (I think we've heard Rath's opinion on him enough times) and back to the original purpose. It seems like we are starting to see offers to underwhelming players pop up.

I know there are a lot of guys in the portal, but how many of them are actually instant impact guys? Mike Saunders is ranked as the #131 transfer in the portal by EvanMiya. For some more perspective, if JD, MAW or Newman were to enter the transfer portal EvanMiya would rank them as the #54, #41 and #42 players respectively using their 2021-22 BPR and likely even higher using their 2022-23 projected BPR (which is what EvanMiya uses for transfers, not sure how to find it for non-transfers or if it even can be found). If a player is not at least top 100 (possibly closer to top 50) they probably aren't going to be a significant upgrade.

100 may sound like a lot, but when you start looking at the number of teams looking to add at least one transfer, it's hard to imagine us getting more than one top 100 guy. Don't forget, there were over 100 teams higher in Kenpom than us last year and when guys are looking at what team is likely to make the NCAA tournament next year, that matters. That 100 number is also limited by guys the coaches have some sort of relationship with, since if they have no connections it makes an even tougher sell to get guys here.

Now EvanMiya's system of ranking isn't perfect, it's just the one I prefer over bartorvik (which is the only other one I know). But the point remains that despite there being a lot of players in the portal, there aren't a lot of guys who are going to come in and be an instant upgrade. Hopefully Wes can get at least one instant upgrade type, but to expect him to get 2/3 of them is unrealistic. As I've said elsewhere, I expect/hope to add one starter from the transfer portal (a starting PG), not the 2/3 that many are hoping for. It's quite possible all of next years starters are currently on the team and we will add 3 guys who hopefully become quality backups/rotational players.

I hear what you are saying, but I also have to believe that there are plenty of guys in the portal who were not in the top 5 on their teams but who would be upgrades talent-wise over the roster we had at UC this past season.

Oh absolutely. The bench on High D1 teams is now a richer source of accessible, currently evaluative talent than HS is for a lot of programs. Look around at the teams in the Sweet 16 and it would be too long of a list to type out the names of the guys who came from being a bench player on a big name program to having an opportunity to shine at a new home. In that regard, the portal woks brilliantly.

Looks like Mike is going to join another former Bearcat:

So, like, when are we going to sign somebody???

(04-02-2022 07:08 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]So, like, when are we going to sign somebody???

Wes is waiting on all these UNC bench players that Hubert Davis is going to run off.

(04-02-2022 06:42 PM)eroc Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Mike is going to join another former Bearcat:

Saunders finished high school or went to prep school out there. Utah has struggled lately. Been a while since they made the tourney. Good luck to Mikey and Gabe.

(03-30-2022 12:30 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Just to throw out what you're getting with my "dream" 3-some of incoming transfers:

Terry Roberts: 6-3, 180 lbs. PG from Bradley
2021-22: 14.5 pts, 4.9 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.6 stl on 45.4% FG / 34.5% 3PT / 70.0% FT

Tanner Holden: 6-6, 185 lbs. Wing from Wright State
2021-22: 20.1 pts, 7.1 reb, 2.6 ast, 1.4 stl on 49.7% FG / 34.1% 3PT / 78.9% FT

Manny Bates: 6-11, 230 lbs. PF/C from NC State
2020-21: 9.8 pts, 5.9 reb, 2.7 blk on 64.1% FG / 68.6% FT (missed most of 21-22)

(04-02-2022 07:26 PM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-02-2022 06:42 PM)eroc Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Mike is going to join another former Bearcat:

Saunders finished high school or went to prep school out there. Utah has struggled lately. Been a while since they made the tourney. Good luck to Mikey and Gabe.

We Bearcat fans can relate. I agree - good luck to Mike. Hope everything works out well for him as a Ute.

(03-30-2022 12:30 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Just to throw out what you're getting with my "dream" 3-some of incoming transfers:

Terry Roberts: 6-3, 180 lbs. PG from Bradley
2021-22: 14.5 pts, 4.9 reb, 4.1 ast, 1.6 stl on 45.4% FG / 34.5% 3PT / 70.0% FT

Tanner Holden: 6-6, 185 lbs. Wing from Wright State
2021-22: 20.1 pts, 7.1 reb, 2.6 ast, 1.4 stl on 49.7% FG / 34.1% 3PT / 78.9% FT

Manny Bates: 6-11, 230 lbs. PF/C from NC State
2020-21: 9.8 pts, 5.9 reb, 2.7 blk on 64.1% FG / 68.6% FT (missed most of 21-22)

We didn't make the final 10 for Terry Roberts so hopefully that means we're making advanced progress with much more talented prospects.

IU basketball transfer point guard Rob Phinisee down to Butler, Cincinnati
Matthew Glenesk
David Woods
Indianapolis Star

Former Indiana University point guard Rob Phinisee narrowed his transfer destination to two schools: Butler and Cincinnati.

Phinisee played four seasons for the Hoosiers but has another year of eligibility because of the NCAA's blanket waiver on the 2020-21 season from the pandemic.

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(04-12-2022 06:59 PM)OregonBearcat Wrote: [ -> ]IU basketball transfer point guard Rob Phinisee down to Butler, Cincinnati
Matthew Glenesk
David Woods
Indianapolis Star

Former Indiana University point guard Rob Phinisee narrowed his transfer destination to two schools: Butler and Cincinnati.

Phinisee played four seasons for the Hoosiers but has another year of eligibility because of the NCAA's blanket waiver on the 2020-21 season from the pandemic.

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(03-30-2022 01:46 PM)geef Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-30-2022 01:23 PM)namrag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-30-2022 12:10 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]From a free 247 article on Davis.

Quote: Cincinnati: “They've shown interest and said they need a point guard but haven't really explained where I fit in, how they would use me or how valuable I will be to them yet.”

As Davis continues the process in the transfer portal, he knows what he's looking for in a program.

“I need to have the green light to make plays,” he said. “You got to know my game style and know that I'm not a typical college player.

https://247sports.com/college/basketball...185447369/

This team does not need a poor shooter who thinks they deserve a green light.

We already have that covered with JD

And a guy who helped lead a team to a 3-28 (yep, you read that right) record the year following an Elite 8 run. Hard pass.

3-28? Good Lord.

That's why they fired Obama's brother-in-law?