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(02-13-2022 01:19 AM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 01:07 AM)UNT15 Wrote: [ -> ]I never thought I'd see the day where three fanbases were so excited about bolting for the Sun Belt. Heck, even Texas and OU are taking their time to get to the SEC.

Marshall and Southern Miss deserved better, and I'm happy for y'all guys since y'all seem to be happy.

As far as ODU - I've never seen an athletic program accomplish so little and yet their fans have an overly inflated sense of their worth. Good luck to the Sun Belt in 2024 and or 2028 when the next big thing happens and ODU decides to shut their football program down again. Remind me again how many college football players , coaches, and fans have died because they attended a "deadly" football game in 2020 and 2021?

Same goes for C'UNT from what we can see. Few fans that care about that worthless program seems to have bloated egos for the sole reason they are in Dallas and havent done jack in the big picture. Not sponsoring one of the major sports in baseball should be shameful enough to hide under the rock yet you guys are here shaming someone else for shutting down their FB program to comply with state's ridiculous rule put in place for that particular region specifically Hampton Roads area. If you dont understand what we had to go through its fine but dont yap like you know everything. To the OP of the thread we can't congratulate UNT either so get over it.

It's true we've not performed to the level that we'd like, but we have two CUSA runner up finishes in 2013 and 2017. ODU has finished 2nd in the East just once and has never been to a championship game. Heck, we've been to like six consecutive bowl games. Even as crappy as our football program is, it's still better than yours...so what does that say about your program?

And yes, having baseball would be a nice luxury, but it is in no way a "major sport". First, its a non revenue producing sport at pretty much every non-SEC school. Second, no sport can be a "major sport" when the best players can skip school and go straight to the pros. For this reason, hockey, baseball, and soccer can not be considered "major sports"

One could make the argument that track/cross country are more major than baseball since the NCAA is the primary training ground for almost every IOC country. Old Dominion can't even afford to have an actual athletics program without ya know "Athletics "
(02-13-2022 03:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote: [ -> ]I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.

Has C-USA ever had a collection of programs bolt before the 14 month period was over?

What you three are doing isn't what is best for the 11 C-USA programs that will play in 2022.

Regardless of how it plays out in the courts, it will still be playing out in the courts. Lawyers aren't cheap, and cases take years to work their way through the legal system. That is money Marshall, Southern Miss, & ODU won't be spending on athletics.

If Judy wouldn't respond to y'alls inquiries, it's because C-USA's lawyers told her to ignore you.

If I remember correctly, Louisville tried to leave a year earlier because the Big East needed an 8th school for the 2004 season. Miami and Virginia Tech announced they were leaving for the ACC on 6/30/2004, UConn just moved up to FBS, Temple was about to get booted from the conference and Boston College was about to play a lame duck season in the Big East.

Even under those circumstances, Louisville had to wait another year to join the Big East along with Cincinnati and South Florida. Yes, Louisville followed the bylaws even though they were leaving for the promised land for more money, prestige, a shot to the BCS title game and the best basketball conference ever with its tournament in Madison Garden. The same can’t be said about the Sun Belt schools.

You are right. I totally forgot about that. Good observation.
(02-13-2022 04:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:02 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 12:33 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:27 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:52 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]Joe, look, we are friends here. I think if you were in our shoes, you would absolutely defend your university here.

We are actually doing the 2022 CUSA programs a solid by stating over and over again our intentions.

Now, if UNT was moving back to the Sun Belt, I would be furious. I wouldn't have time to be on this board. I'd be too busy undermining our leadership at UNT. I never want UNT back in the Belt. And, the sad thing is that the Sun Belt wanted us to come back.

When?

Is there a link to this?

I could see WKU's athletic programs being wanted, but not UNT.

You should speak with Gill.

Care to provide a link or source?

I don't have a link to conversations. But there are others that know about it.
(02-13-2022 04:35 PM)UNT15 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 01:19 AM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 01:07 AM)UNT15 Wrote: [ -> ]I never thought I'd see the day where three fanbases were so excited about bolting for the Sun Belt. Heck, even Texas and OU are taking their time to get to the SEC.

Marshall and Southern Miss deserved better, and I'm happy for y'all guys since y'all seem to be happy.

As far as ODU - I've never seen an athletic program accomplish so little and yet their fans have an overly inflated sense of their worth. Good luck to the Sun Belt in 2024 and or 2028 when the next big thing happens and ODU decides to shut their football program down again. Remind me again how many college football players , coaches, and fans have died because they attended a "deadly" football game in 2020 and 2021?

Same goes for C'UNT from what we can see. Few fans that care about that worthless program seems to have bloated egos for the sole reason they are in Dallas and havent done jack in the big picture. Not sponsoring one of the major sports in baseball should be shameful enough to hide under the rock yet you guys are here shaming someone else for shutting down their FB program to comply with state's ridiculous rule put in place for that particular region specifically Hampton Roads area. If you dont understand what we had to go through its fine but dont yap like you know everything. To the OP of the thread we can't congratulate UNT either so get over it.

It's true we've not performed to the level that we'd like, but we have two CUSA runner up finishes in 2013 and 2017. ODU has finished 2nd in the East just once and has never been to a championship game. Heck, we've been to like six consecutive bowl games. Even as crappy as our football program is, it's still better than yours...so what does that say about your program?

And yes, having baseball would be a nice luxury, but it is in no way a "major sport". First, its a non revenue producing sport at pretty much every non-SEC school. Second, no sport can be a "major sport" when the best players can skip school and go straight to the pros. For this reason, hockey, baseball, and soccer can not be considered "major sports"

One could make the argument that track/cross country are more major than baseball since the NCAA is the primary training ground for almost every IOC country. Old Dominion can't even afford to have an actual athletics program without ya know "Athletics "

Two runner up finishes LOL that is exactly how many winning seasons UNT had and a whopping one Bowl win after ODU joined the conference so yeah that is not something to gloat about. We did as much with a freaking FCS coach and dilapidated stadium anyways you guys are not in a position to shame anyone that's my point. Baseball is not a major sport because kids can skip and go to pros, but track and country is a major sport because kids have to attend college? that says you are full of it. You are right we can't afford athletics because setting up track around a field is so much more expensive compared to building and maintaining a baseball field right? 01-wingedeagle
(02-13-2022 04:23 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:02 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 12:33 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:27 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]Now, if UNT was moving back to the Sun Belt, I would be furious. I wouldn't have time to be on this board. I'd be too busy undermining our leadership at UNT. I never want UNT back in the Belt. And, the sad thing is that the Sun Belt wanted us to come back.

When?

Is there a link to this?

I could see WKU's athletic programs being wanted, but not UNT.

You should speak with Gill.

Care to provide a link or source? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I am really interested in reading about something like that.

When UNT was talking to the MWC's Thompson, Gill was also trying to make a case for UNT to return to the Sun Belt. It didn't go further then conversations, and those conversations weren't as serious as those we had with the MWC. But Gill wanted UNT back, and seemed to have the backing of enough SB presidents. I honestly think the fact that both were courting UNT helped sell Aresco on adding UNT to the AAC when they didn't need us.
(02-13-2022 01:34 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:48 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:36 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 06:17 PM)gdunn Wrote: [ -> ]No it’s not. You say that but it’s not. If the AAC said hey we have room if you can come you know full well you’d be hooping and hollering to go.

The leadership at UNT probably would, if they could secure an exit. I think the problem is that none of the SB3 secured an exit.

Me personally? I'd stay for at least one more season in C-USA. Like I said, I like C-USA West.

Hard to secure an exit when you keep talking to a brick wall. The CUSA office decided to sit on their hands.

No. C-USA's lawyers decided to sit on their hands. And, I have a feeling you three played into their hands.

NOT a Lawyer but I deal with Contracts but am a CPA which had to pass the business law section.

I think SBC3 hastily left and any $ from SBC for an extra year will be handed over to CUSA.

SBC3 broke the contract. Now CUSA can tally up the damages of reorganizing their schedule. CUSA will sue for exit fees plus damages.

I am sure SBC3 will not pay all damages though. It will be alot more than SBC3 thought. The damages will be more than exit fees. Damages are where the big $ is and why lawyers ambulance chase.

Proving damages in CUSA's case aint going to be easy. No judge is going to have sympathy for having to change the football schedule when its obvious that the SBC3 had been asking for months to negotiate a way out.

The most likely thing that happens is CUSA sues, the SBC3 counter sue and a Judge tells both parties to go to Mediation to decide how much the penalty should be.
(02-13-2022 04:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 01:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:39 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:19 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. None of the AAC 6 are leaving before the 14 month period is up.

It you gave notice before we did.
2 questions
Will Judy do the same thing in a year? Assuming you would be ok
Where did you earn your JD?

UNT gave notice on October 21, 2021. And we will be leaving after the 2023 season. We are following the by-laws.

Nobody is questioning your affinity for CUSA west. My point is that you are following the rules because you HAVE to. You are trading UTEP for SMU and USM for Tulane. Ideal for you in both circumstances.

If the AAC had room and encouraged you to leave early,’ all of you would be gone. To say otherwise is pure crap.

UNT would probably try to leave early if the AAC told us we could join now. But, we would not be able to leave unless we negotiated the exit through C-USA first. If we left without agreeing on terms, we'd be in the same position the SB3 are right now.

Unless you got crickets on the other end when you called to negotiate
(02-13-2022 04:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:23 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:02 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 12:33 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ]When?

Is there a link to this?

I could see WKU's athletic programs being wanted, but not UNT.

You should speak with Gill.

Care to provide a link or source? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I am really interested in reading about something like that.

When UNT was talking to the MWC's Thompson, Gill was also trying to make a case for UNT to return to the Sun Belt. It didn't go further then conversations, and those conversations weren't as serious as those we had with the MWC. But Gill wanted UNT back, and seemed to have the backing of enough SB presidents. I honestly think the fact that both were courting UNT helped sell Aresco on adding UNT to the AAC when they didn't need us.

Gill talked to the entire CUSA West sans UTEP from what I understand. It never took off because everyone with a pulse knew there would not be enough support from either side to make it happen. Tech didn't join in until real late though, after the AAC schools had left.

The SBC was at the time considering whether or not to expand to 12, 14, or 16 teams, and also looking at who the best available teams were. We talked to just about every possible option under the sun, even schools that we knew the votes would be hard to get.
It seems pretty cut and dry to me. The bylaws state that a injunction can be issued and equitable relief will be sought.

West Virginia left early from the Big East and paid 20 million as early penalty fee on top of their exits fees

UConn paid 7 million to leave a G5 conference early.

I think the injunction will be sought and won.

CUSA did the right thing by not pulling any of conference tournaments, Stating their position publicly weeks ago. Theses schools decided on their own under no duress to leave 18 months early. CUSA has all the legal precedent and bylaws on their side. I don’t see this turning out well for the SB3

The world I live in if you breach a contract you pay dearly. If you decide to quit paying your mortgage earlier than the bank siezes your house and your credit is ruined. If you stop paying your car note earlier same thing.
(02-13-2022 04:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 01:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:39 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:19 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. None of the AAC 6 are leaving before the 14 month period is up.

It you gave notice before we did.
2 questions
Will Judy do the same thing in a year? Assuming you would be ok
Where did you earn your JD?

UNT gave notice on October 21, 2021. And we will be leaving after the 2023 season. We are following the by-laws.

Nobody is questioning your affinity for CUSA west. My point is that you are following the rules because you HAVE to. You are trading UTEP for SMU and USM for Tulane. Ideal for you in both circumstances.

If the AAC had room and encouraged you to leave early,’ all of you would be gone. To say otherwise is pure crap.

UNT would probably try to leave early if the AAC told us we could join now. But, we would not be able to leave unless we negotiated the exit through C-USA first. If we left without agreeing on terms, we'd be in the same position the SB3 are right now.

Hoss we told them in December we wanted to leave. We’ve offered money and you know what we got. A random ass message 6 days before a SBC meeting. More attempts and what we get a schedule.

So this whole we’d negotiate has been one sided. I guess that’s how they work in Texas. You don’t respond and try to sue
(02-13-2022 04:58 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 01:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:39 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: [ -> ]It you gave notice before we did.
2 questions
Will Judy do the same thing in a year? Assuming you would be ok
Where did you earn your JD?

UNT gave notice on October 21, 2021. And we will be leaving after the 2023 season. We are following the by-laws.

Nobody is questioning your affinity for CUSA west. My point is that you are following the rules because you HAVE to. You are trading UTEP for SMU and USM for Tulane. Ideal for you in both circumstances.

If the AAC had room and encouraged you to leave early,’ all of you would be gone. To say otherwise is pure crap.

UNT would probably try to leave early if the AAC told us we could join now. But, we would not be able to leave unless we negotiated the exit through C-USA first. If we left without agreeing on terms, we'd be in the same position the SB3 are right now.

Unless you got crickets on the other end when you called to negotiate

I think it was loud and clear what CUSA position was with the statement that was issued weeks ago. The SB3 knew CUSA position and SB3 decided to violate anyway.
(02-13-2022 05:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:23 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:02 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]You should speak with Gill.

Care to provide a link or source? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I am really interested in reading about something like that.

When UNT was talking to the MWC's Thompson, Gill was also trying to make a case for UNT to return to the Sun Belt. It didn't go further then conversations, and those conversations weren't as serious as those we had with the MWC. But Gill wanted UNT back, and seemed to have the backing of enough SB presidents. I honestly think the fact that both were courting UNT helped sell Aresco on adding UNT to the AAC when they didn't need us.

Gill talked to the entire CUSA West sans UTEP from what I understand. It never took off because everyone with a pulse knew there would not be enough support from either side to make it happen. Tech didn't join in until real late though, after the AAC schools had left.

The SBC was at the time considering whether or not to expand to 12, 14, or 16 teams, and also looking at who the best available teams were. We talked to just about every possible option under the sun, even schools that we knew the votes would be hard to get.
AAC did the same. Which is why some are confused from the sb3 about the difference between introductory talks and big time interest /an invite. None of them turned down an AAC invite

The people saying well we told them a few months ago are full of it too. Just because you tell a conference you want to leave early doesn't mean you can say screw the bylaws and pay nothing. You'll owe damages sb3 when you leave. And if cusa says no thanks just stay , there is nothing wrong with that

I'm sure youll all leave and I don't care as we are too, but it's hilarious that the sb3 think they haven't done anything wrong

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(02-13-2022 05:10 PM)Twon Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:58 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 01:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-12-2022 07:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]UNT gave notice on October 21, 2021. And we will be leaving after the 2023 season. We are following the by-laws.

Nobody is questioning your affinity for CUSA west. My point is that you are following the rules because you HAVE to. You are trading UTEP for SMU and USM for Tulane. Ideal for you in both circumstances.

If the AAC had room and encouraged you to leave early,’ all of you would be gone. To say otherwise is pure crap.

UNT would probably try to leave early if the AAC told us we could join now. But, we would not be able to leave unless we negotiated the exit through C-USA first. If we left without agreeing on terms, we'd be in the same position the SB3 are right now.

Unless you got crickets on the other end when you called to negotiate

I think it was loud and clear what CUSA position was with the statement that was issued weeks ago. The SB3 knew CUSA position and SB3 decided to violate anyway.
They sat for weeks and 6 days before a meeting they sent that out to the press not even the schools. Great leadership.

Tomorrow morning tell your boss that any decisions about your career needs to be sent out via Facebook for the world to see vs talking to you.
(02-13-2022 05:03 PM)Twon Wrote: [ -> ]It seems pretty cut and dry to me. The bylaws state that a injunction can be issued and equitable relief will be sought.

West Virginia left early from the Big East and paid 20 million as early penalty fee on top of their exits fees

UConn paid 7 million to leave a G5 conference early.

I think the injunction will be sought and won.

CUSA did the right thing by not pulling any of conference tournaments, Stating their position publicly weeks ago. Theses schools decided on their own under no duress to leave 18 months early. CUSA has all the legal precedent and bylaws on their side. I don’t see this turning out well for the SB3

The world I live in if you breach a contract you pay dearly. If you decide to quit paying your mortgage earlier than the bank siezes your house and your credit is ruined. If you stop paying your car note earlier same thing.

Unfortunately, college football doesn't exist in the real world. The question of damages pertains to the perceived value of the 3 schools leaving to CUSA's Media Rights deals. Those 3 schools are probably smart enough to know that no one is going to value this even close to the same as UConn, given the CUSA rights deals are less than half.

The reality is, the 3 schools did this because CUSA Refused to negotiate. This was a tactic designed to force CUSA to sue and force the parties to actually talk.

Its a very similar tactic to what Arkansas State used when Miami canceled their football game in Jonesboro several years back. When they wouldn't negotiate a buyout, we sued, despite the optics because we knew they would be forced to counter sue and judges would force both parties to come to an agreement. In the end, we got a percentage of what the perceived value of the game was to Jonesboro.
(02-13-2022 05:10 PM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 05:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:23 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]Care to provide a link or source? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I am really interested in reading about something like that.

When UNT was talking to the MWC's Thompson, Gill was also trying to make a case for UNT to return to the Sun Belt. It didn't go further then conversations, and those conversations weren't as serious as those we had with the MWC. But Gill wanted UNT back, and seemed to have the backing of enough SB presidents. I honestly think the fact that both were courting UNT helped sell Aresco on adding UNT to the AAC when they didn't need us.

Gill talked to the entire CUSA West sans UTEP from what I understand. It never took off because everyone with a pulse knew there would not be enough support from either side to make it happen. Tech didn't join in until real late though, after the AAC schools had left.

The SBC was at the time considering whether or not to expand to 12, 14, or 16 teams, and also looking at who the best available teams were. We talked to just about every possible option under the sun, even schools that we knew the votes would be hard to get.
AAC did the same. Which is why some are confused from the sb3 about the difference between introductory talks and big time interest /an invite. None of them turned down an AAC invite

The people saying well we told them a few months ago are full of it too. Just because you tell a conference you want to leave early doesn't mean you can say screw the bylaws and pay nothing. You'll owe damages sb3 when you leave. And if cusa says no thanks just stay , there is nothing wrong with that

I'm sure youll all leave and I don't care as we are too, but it's hilarious that the sb3 think they haven't done anything wrong

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The bylaws say there’s a penalty but doesn’t say what the penalty is. The schools have offered money but the conference refuses to talk.

Just think in a year you 6 will be goin through this. You’ve told them your intent but they may not let you go. Next Feb they may still send you schedules
I am sure all three schools are aware of consequences before they did what they did and since CUSA isn't negotiating they might have thought getting sued and paying in the court is the only way to get this done. All three shouldn't have problem paying what ever is settled in the court and moving on.
(02-13-2022 05:10 PM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 05:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:51 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:23 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 04:20 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote: [ -> ]Care to provide a link or source? I’m not trying to be a jerk, but I am really interested in reading about something like that.

When UNT was talking to the MWC's Thompson, Gill was also trying to make a case for UNT to return to the Sun Belt. It didn't go further then conversations, and those conversations weren't as serious as those we had with the MWC. But Gill wanted UNT back, and seemed to have the backing of enough SB presidents. I honestly think the fact that both were courting UNT helped sell Aresco on adding UNT to the AAC when they didn't need us.

Gill talked to the entire CUSA West sans UTEP from what I understand. It never took off because everyone with a pulse knew there would not be enough support from either side to make it happen. Tech didn't join in until real late though, after the AAC schools had left.

The SBC was at the time considering whether or not to expand to 12, 14, or 16 teams, and also looking at who the best available teams were. We talked to just about every possible option under the sun, even schools that we knew the votes would be hard to get.
AAC did the same. Which is why some are confused from the sb3 about the difference between introductory talks and big time interest /an invite. None of them turned down an AAC invite

The people saying well we told them a few months ago are full of it too. Just because you tell a conference you want to leave early doesn't mean you can say screw the bylaws and pay nothing. You'll owe damages sb3 when you leave. And if cusa says no thanks just stay , there is nothing wrong with that

I'm sure youll all leave and I don't care as we are too, but it's hilarious that the sb3 think they haven't done anything wrong

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I would hope all 3 departing schools are smart enough to know they'll have to pay a penalty for leaving early. What they are really challenging is can a contract force a team to stay a full 14 months without even discussion of a way of buying out?

The biggest difference however between the two groups is the AAC 6 can't go anywhere until Houston/Cincy/C Florida join the Big 12. The Sun Belt isn't losing anyone so its easier to bring in new members early.

When FAU left the Sun Belt early, they ended up paying a fee to the league. I'm sure USM/Marshall/ODU will as well. Those 3 schools are probably banking on it not being enough to impact the financial savings from joining early.
(02-13-2022 05:18 PM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ]I am sure all three schools are aware of consequences before they did what they did and since CUSA isn't negotiating they might have thought getting sued and paying in the court is the only way to get this done. All three shouldn't have problem paying what ever is settled in the court and moving on.

In theory. this is actually easier than the alternative for CUSA. USM/Marshall/ODU gave notice of departure to the conference on November 1 or roughly around that day. If they wanted to be real jerks, they could have played the 2022 football season in CUSA, and left for the SBC on January 1 of 2023, right in the middle of basketball season without violating the terms of the bylaws.
(02-13-2022 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 05:18 PM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ]I am sure all three schools are aware of consequences before they did what they did and since CUSA isn't negotiating they might have thought getting sued and paying in the court is the only way to get this done. All three shouldn't have problem paying what ever is settled in the court and moving on.

In theory. this is actually easier than the alternative for CUSA. USM/Marshall/ODU gave notice of departure to the conference on November 1 or roughly around that day. If they wanted to be real jerks, they could have played the 2022 football season in CUSA, and left for the SBC on January 1 of 2023, right in the middle of basketball season without violating the terms of the bylaws.

Well said. This is probably gonna drag on in the courts for quite sometime in the end its money that needs to be paid and will be paid except lawyers will get some taste too.
(02-13-2022 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-13-2022 05:18 PM)12thmonarch Wrote: [ -> ]I am sure all three schools are aware of consequences before they did what they did and since CUSA isn't negotiating they might have thought getting sued and paying in the court is the only way to get this done. All three shouldn't have problem paying what ever is settled in the court and moving on.

In theory. this is actually easier than the alternative for CUSA. USM/Marshall/ODU gave notice of departure to the conference on November 1 or roughly around that day. If they wanted to be real jerks, they could have played the 2022 football season in CUSA, and left for the SBC on January 1 of 2023, right in the middle of basketball season without violating the terms of the bylaws.


That’s incorrect, after meeting the time after notification it’s then the following June or July. I can’t remember which.

I’m not sure why I bother since I don’t really care since we are leaving as well but some of the comments are just ridiculous.
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