(setting aside whether or not you think it's a possibility)
Remain in BIG EAST for Basketball and non-revenue sports and stay independent in Football
Butler
Connecticut
Creighton
DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier
or
Join reconfigured ACC for all sports, including Football
Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Temple
UCF
USF
West Virginia
Which would be the better option for UConn and, again, which do you think UConn would ultimately select if in a position to choose?
Wow! That’s a good question. I want to say the later is the better option but UConn’s deal with the Big East made it very expensive for them to leave.
(01-22-2022 01:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]I want to say the later is the better option but UConn’s deal with the Big East made it very expensive for them to leave.
Remaining independent in Football would be very expensive, too.
If a league is going to be P5, then any school with a football program (besides ND) is going to choose that P5 league.
Granted, I think it’s a bit of a straw man since the league lineup that you’ve created is essentially the old Big East football conference. That league will never happen again.
The second one, with football and basketball, would make more money. So, that one.
That's not really anything you could reasonably call "The ACC". That's the 90s BEFC & Friends.
(01-22-2022 02:05 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]That's not really anything you could reasonably call "The ACC". That's the 90s BEFC & Friends.
It's more the ACC than the WAC is the WAC or Velveeta is cheese :)
(01-22-2022 02:13 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:05 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]That's not really anything you could reasonably call "The ACC". That's the 90s BEFC & Friends.
It's more the ACC than the WAC is the WAC or Velveeta is cheese :)
Lol true. What has happened to Wake Forest in this scenario, have they dropped to FCS? I can't see them being among the teams who've left for a stronger P5 conference.
(01-22-2022 02:19 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Lol true. What has happened to Wake Forest in this scenario, have they dropped to FCS? I can't see them being among the teams who've left for a stronger P5 conference.
Very good question Gamenole (gonna assume as a Miami fan that came from the South Carolina part of your brain and not the Florida State portion
...)
If/when a good chunk of the ACC is invited to either the B1G or SEC, Wake is sure to be among the left-behinds.
The Deacons certainly could remain in some sort of ACC 3.0, but would that be what those who run the university would want in this new era of Division I athletics?
Might the school administration decide a better option could be (for example) to join the Big East for all sports but football?
Independence might be fairly workable even if it clearly were a step down.
Wake could keep its annual matchup with Duke and play UNC and NC State on a regular basis (gotta think those two would be accommodating to their long-time in-state "rival" if only to lessen any political fallout from breaking up the ACC)
The military academies and like-minded private schools in the AAC (what's left of it anyway) would be solid options as well.
Would that be a better move than remaining in a league with an increasing number of schools with whom Wake has little in common?
More than any other current P5 institution, WF would have to weigh its options were its conference to unravel.
Other than its history in the ACC and remaining in a league with the Heels, the Devils, the Pack (and I guess UVA, too?), from the outside Wake seems a little like a richer, more prestigious and more successful version of Tulsa.
Not sure how well that's gonna work in this new era of revenue sports.
If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.
Because I don't think that ACC is a P5 league. If it is, then the ACC, which as Frank says is basically just the old Big East football league.
(01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.
And do what with Football?
UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?
Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question
If your hypothetically reconfigured all-sports league is an autonomous league, UConn would leave the Big East promptly.
We have to remember (and I have posted this many times). UConn joined the current Big East to "get out of" the AAC as much as to "be in" the BE. It would prefer to be a member of a league that 1. plays football and 2. plays baseball at the highest level (Husky baseball is extremely strong). The conference you outline would afford that opportunity.
On this theme, had the Big 12 invited UConn instead of UCF, I feel UConn likely would have accepted.
I continue to feel there could be some future realignment that will create opportunity for UConn to be a member of a conference that sponsors football and is comprised primarily of large public universities. Though the Big East is a strong fit for UConn in some respects, it is also a very awkward fit in other ways.
(01-22-2022 02:05 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]That's not really anything you could reasonably call "The ACC". That's the 90s BEFC & Friends.
There's not a single ACC team in that list that was there as late as 2003.
(01-22-2022 03:00 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: [ -> ]If your hypothetically reconfigured all-sports league is an autonomous league, UConn would leave the Big East promptly.
We have to remember (and I have posted this many times). UConn joined the current Big East to "get out of" the AAC as much as to "be in" the BE. It would prefer to be a member of a league that 1. plays football and 2. plays baseball at the highest level (Husky baseball is extremely strong). The conference you outline would afford that opportunity.
On this theme, had the Big 12 invited UConn instead of UCF, I feel UConn likely would have accepted.
I continue to feel there could be some future realignment that will create opportunity for UConn to be a member of a conference that sponsors football and is comprised primarily of large public universities. Though the Big East is a strong fit for UConn in some respects, it is also a very awkward fit in other ways.
Good post bd — and I agree UConn would jump at the opportunity to join a conference (reconfigured or not) that would be a notch above what the Huskies ditched in 2019 to rejoin the BE.
Certainly think UConn would have an opportunity to play Villanova and Providence and Georgetown and St. John's in the non-conference on a regular basis. Those schools are well aware Football is the mover in DI realignment — plus a money game is a money game.
Also, wouldn't it be fun to see Connecticut back in the same conference as Boston College and Syracuse. Talking about re-opening an old wound ...
(01-22-2022 02:58 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.
And do what with Football?
UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?
Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question
FWIW, I considered that when I made my post. I think they'd rather keep football independent and remain in the Big East than join the rump ACC, if that rump ACC was not a power conference, which I do not think it would be.
(01-22-2022 03:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:58 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.
And do what with Football?
UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?
Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question
FWIW, I considered that when I made my post. I think they'd rather keep football independent and remain in the Big East than join the rump ACC, if that rump ACC was not a power conference, which I do not think it would be.
The hypothetical membership lineup PeteTheChop presented — even if not "power" in football — would definitely be power in hoops. And it would offer UConn football a home and UConn baseball a much better league than the BE. As such, UConn would, at the least, have to consider the invitation.
(01-22-2022 03:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:58 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.
And do what with Football?
UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?
Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question
FWIW, I considered that when I made my post. I think they'd rather keep football independent and remain in the Big East than join the rump ACC, if that rump ACC was not a power conference, which I do not think it would be.
IMO, an ACC with those teams mentioned in the OP wouldn't be close to dropping from the top tier of college athletics — even if (like now) the SEC and B1G were on a higher plane.
A league with UConn, Louisville, Cuse, Cincy and Memphis (yeah, I know) would clearly be a Top 6 basketball conference — and higher some years.
(01-22-2022 03:23 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 03:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:58 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]If it's an ACC without UNC, Duke, FSU and Clemson, then remain in the Big East.
And do what with Football?
UConn has repeatedly said its not getting out of the D-IA Football business. Would staying in the Big East and remaining indy in Football be a better option (in UConn's mind, anyway) than joining up with the ACC left-behinds?
Not saying you're right or you're wrong, just asking the question
FWIW, I considered that when I made my post. I think they'd rather keep football independent and remain in the Big East than join the rump ACC, if that rump ACC was not a power conference, which I do not think it would be.
IMO, an ACC with those teams mentioned in the OP wouldn't be close to dropping from the top tier of college athletics — even if (like now) the SEC and B1G were on a higher plane.
A league with UConn, Louisville, Cuse, Cincy and Memphis (yeah, I know) would clearly be a Top 6 basketball conference — and higher some years.
The basketball league you present also would offer Temple (an historic program), the always-tough West Virginia and underrated programs in Miami and Pitt.
Again, at the minimum, UConn strongly considers joining.
(01-22-2022 03:26 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: [ -> ]The basketball league you present also would offer Temple (an historic program), the always-tough West Virginia and underrated programs in Miami and Pitt.
Again, at the minimum, UConn strongly considers joining.
Good points all -- and thanks for the kind words about Miami. Not sure most of our fans even know we have a basketball program :)
(01-22-2022 03:31 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2022 03:26 PM)bill dazzle Wrote: [ -> ]The basketball league you present also would offer Temple (an historic program), the always-tough West Virginia and underrated programs in Miami and Pitt.
Again, at the minimum, UConn strongly considers joining.
Good points all -- and thanks for the kind words about Miami. Not sure most of our fans even know we have a basketball program :)
The Canes have a very solid men's hoops programs (though FSU is rolling today). Keep up the quality posting.