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Stole this chart from the Drexel Board as it has institutional rankings the college presidents who vote on this stuff care about

(01-18-2022 05:41 PM)DrachenFire Wrote: [ -> ]To go along with KenPom ratings, some institutional profiles

(01-20-2022 09:23 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2022 09:21 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote: [ -> ]The good news is the basketball team is playing well and winning and then there is this BS again . We all know that UNCW will go along with whatever the CAA comes up with and Bass will come out and give a little song and dance about it-the end .

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That was a great movie and that character was awesome!! No way they all get out unless he does his thing!

(01-20-2022 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Stole this chart from the Drexel Board as it has institutional rankings the college presidents who vote on this stuff care about

(01-18-2022 05:41 PM)DrachenFire Wrote: [ -> ]To go along with KenPom ratings, some institutional profiles

I don’t think I need to post my professional knowledge/experience here, as most of you already know it, even if not in great detail. I can tell you from that 15+ years of experience so far, that the quality of graduates from VMI and Citadel are far and away better than most any liberal arts university. Now, I understand that the powers that be who make these decisions are likely looking at school size and budget numbers, etc.

Just saying that yes, I’d rather our peers be VMI and Citadel any day of the week over Hofstra and Northeastern.


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(01-20-2022 09:36 AM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]The CAA sold it's soul for FCS football, allowing other schools to enjoy full membership elsewhere. Like the old saying, "why buy the cow when the milk is free?"

Somehow I got a mental of Richmond University suckling on Tom Yeager's teet. Not an easy visual to eye-bleach out of your mind...

(01-20-2022 10:57 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2022 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Stole this chart from the Drexel Board as it has institutional rankings the college presidents who vote on this stuff care about

(01-18-2022 05:41 PM)DrachenFire Wrote: [ -> ]To go along with KenPom ratings, some institutional profiles

I don’t think I need to post my professional knowledge/experience here, as most of you already know it, even if not in great detail. I can tell you from that 15+ years of experience so far, that the quality of graduates from VMI and Citadel are far and away better than most any liberal arts university. Now, I understand that the powers that be who make these decisions are likely looking at school size and budget numbers, etc.

Just saying that yes, I’d rather our peers be VMI and Citadel any day of the week over Hofstra and Northeastern.


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Your experience is specifically military, right?

Yesterday, I looked up acceptance rates and UNCW was middle of the pack for the CAA (including Monmouth, Hampton and SB). Northeastern is highly selective, but I can't say that I know anyone with a NE degree. Based on acceptance rate, UNCW is more difficult to get into than Elon and CofC regionally, and more difficult than Hofstra, Drexel Monmouth or Towson within the CAA. We're on par with U of D.

From personal experience, VMI and Citadel are not that difficult from an acceptance perspective. The experience once there is much more structured and requires greater personal discipline than a traditional liberal arts university. I'm not sure how that would compare in corporate America. I almost went to VMI, so I'm not slandering their degree, but I'd be surprised if your conclusion is widely accepted.

(01-20-2022 11:22 AM)70shawk Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2022 09:36 AM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]The CAA sold it's soul for FCS football, allowing other schools to enjoy full membership elsewhere. Like the old saying, "why buy the cow when the milk is free?"

Somehow I got a mental of Richmond University suckling on Tom Yeager's teet. Not an easy visual to eye-bleach out of your mind...

We are all undoubtedly thankful you shared.


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(01-20-2022 11:29 AM)bricksnivy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2022 10:57 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2022 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Stole this chart from the Drexel Board as it has institutional rankings the college presidents who vote on this stuff care about

(01-18-2022 05:41 PM)DrachenFire Wrote: [ -> ]To go along with KenPom ratings, some institutional profiles

I don’t think I need to post my professional knowledge/experience here, as most of you already know it, even if not in great detail. I can tell you from that 15+ years of experience so far, that the quality of graduates from VMI and Citadel are far and away better than most any liberal arts university. Now, I understand that the powers that be who make these decisions are likely looking at school size and budget numbers, etc.

Just saying that yes, I’d rather our peers be VMI and Citadel any day of the week over Hofstra and Northeastern.


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Your experience is specifically military, right?

Yesterday, I looked up acceptance rates and UNCW was middle of the pack for the CAA (including Monmouth, Hampton and SB). Northeastern is highly selective, but I can't say that I know anyone with a NE degree. Based on acceptance rate, UNCW is more difficult to get into than Elon and CofC regionally, and more difficult than Hofstra, Drexel Monmouth or Towson within the CAA. We're on par with U of D.

From personal experience, VMI and Citadel are not that difficult from an acceptance perspective. The experience once there is much more structured and requires personal discipline that is optional at a traditional liberal arts university. I'm not sure how that would compare in corporate America. I almost went to VMI, so I'm not slandering their degree, but I'd be surprised if your conclusion is widely accepted.

Correct. I’ve worked alongside a large number of graduates from both of those schools, and they are all folks I hold in high regard, as having them as supervisors, peers, and subordinates.

I understand your take on it though. My point is that I value what “higher education” institutions bring to the table as a whole, and not specifically acceptance numbers and testing scores. I know that is likely NOT a shared view, as I myself am a graduate of a liberal arts focused university.


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(01-20-2022 11:35 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]Correct. I’ve worked alongside a large number of graduates from both of those schools, and they are all folks I hold in high regard, as having them as supervisors, peers, and subordinates.

I understand your take on it though. My point is that I value what “higher education” institutions bring to the table as a whole, and not specifically acceptance numbers and testing scores. I know that is likely NOT a shared view, as I myself am a graduate of a liberal arts focused university.

Makes sense. My view of a college degree and its purpose has changed since I graduated. I'm probably aligned with your perception and personal experience. I doubt there are many college presidents who agree, but that is okay.

(01-20-2022 11:44 AM)bricksnivy Wrote: [ -> ][quote='B_Hawk06' pid='18020822' dateline='1642696503']
Correct. I’ve worked alongside a large number of graduates from both of those schools, and they are all folks I hold in high regard, as having them as supervisors, peers, and subordinates.

I understand your take on it though. My point is that I value what “higher education” institutions bring to the table as a whole, and not specifically acceptance numbers and testing scores.

Unless we are looking at EZU, then it's just SAT scores

(01-20-2022 11:22 AM)70shawk Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2022 09:36 AM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]The CAA sold it's soul for FCS football, allowing other schools to enjoy full membership elsewhere. Like the old saying, "why buy the cow when the milk is free?"

Somehow I got a mental of Richmond University suckling on Tom Yeager's teet. Not an easy visual to eye-bleach out of your mind...

(01-20-2022 11:29 AM)bricksnivy Wrote: [ -> ]Yesterday, I looked up acceptance rates and UNCW was middle of the pack for the CAA (including Monmouth, Hampton and SB). Northeastern is highly selective, but I can't say that I know anyone with a NE degree. Based on acceptance rate, UNCW is more difficult to get into than Elon and CofC regionally, and more difficult than Hofstra, Drexel Monmouth or Towson within the CAA. We're on par with U of D.

There was a time when out of state students had a tougher time getting into UNCW than Northeastern or W&M.

I know if I tried to apply to go to UNCW a few years later than I ended up doing so I probably wouldn't have gotten in.

(01-20-2022 10:09 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2022 10:03 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]82, you keep talking about how important having divisions is. I thought the whole point of a north-south conference was to expand UNCW's recruitment footprint and be able to recruit kids from up north?

Mind you, I am in favor of anything that reduces travel costs. That is by far the most burdensome expenditure in the department that would go away with a move to the SoCon, A-Sun, or Big South, and hopefully in the process bringing along Charleston and perhaps 1-2 of the other southern CAA schools with us.

I think from an administration perspective its a two fold discussion

Yes you want small travel costs, but a conference often becomes your peer group

If you're UNCW, do you want your peer group to be VMI and the Citadel or Hofstra and Northeastern.

Going to divisions gives an administrator the best of both worlds, association with the northeastern private schools and exposure up there with greatly reduced travel costs limiting the majority of your travel to a more geographic friendly area.

This would have been my answer. Spot on.

(01-19-2022 04:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-19-2022 03:55 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]Congrats. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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A few years ago he was on here talking about Maine having a better basketball program than UNCW and he was bragging about hockey championships. He likes to argue it seems, but he didn't weigh in on our PG situation. I guess he wasn't interested in talking basketball this go around; an 0-11 record will do that to a fella.

I never.....ever....said Maine had a better basketball program than UNCW.

(01-20-2022 04:42 PM)mainejeff Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-19-2022 04:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-19-2022 03:55 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]Congrats. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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A few years ago he was on here talking about Maine having a better basketball program than UNCW and he was bragging about hockey championships. He likes to argue it seems, but he didn't weigh in on our PG situation. I guess he wasn't interested in talking basketball this go around; an 0-11 record will do that to a fella.

I never.....ever....said Maine had a better basketball program than UNCW.

Nobody here cares about Maine(it's a State I think, right? ). What is your interest in UNCW at all? We don't play football in the CAA, and Maine isn't a member of the CAA. Seems like you're injecting your perspective and opinion into a discussion you have zero involvement in. What am I missing?

(01-19-2022 06:12 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]I was surprised to see that Monmouth basketball hasn't been all that good lately. They won 27 games in back to back years in 2015-16 and 2016-17, reaching the NIT both seasons, but they followed that up with 3 straight seasons finishing outside of the top 200 of the RPI.

They've had the same HC since 2011 so I don't know what explains that kind of volatility...

Volatility happens. Here are Hofstra's records with the same HC starting with joining the CAA in 2001-2002:

12-20
8-21
14-15
21-9
26-7 (lost to you in the CAA Final and George Mason went to the Final Four)
22-10
12-18
21-11
19-15

Hmm. Wondering about the possibility of adding UNCG and NC A&T? We need to add a football school and a non football school to get to 14 teams. A&T has 11,000+ undergrads, is a rival of Hampton and UNCG is close to 20,000 students. Both are located in Greensboro and Elon is just down the road. Could create some great synergy in the Piedmont area similar to the ACC and what the CAA used to have in Virginia. A&T recently move to the Big South with Hampton and may be willing to make a move with them from the Big South. The CAA would be a huge upgrade for their athletic programs.

This article is looking very relevant right now:

https://hbcugameday.com/2021/10/26/could...-look-caa/

"Potential members for the new-look CAA could include Monmouth, currently an associate member of the Big South, as well as UNC Greensboro of the SoCon.

Both schools have ties to North Carolina A&T, one of three HBCUs at the Division I level not in the MEAC or SWAC. Monmouth is set to take on A&T in football this weekend for the first-ever matchup between the two schools that play Big South football. A&T and UNC Greensboro are similar-sized institutions located in the same state and consider themselves basketball rivals.

A&T and current CAA member Elon have played home-and-home football series many times before. The most recent game took place in 2019 and had attendance of better than 16k at Aggie Stadium. UNC Wilmington is a fellow UNC System school."

I think a lot of people have made solid points that UNCG is absolutely not moving to the CAA.


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(01-21-2022 06:54 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ]I think a lot of people have made solid points that UNCG is absolutely not moving to the CAA.


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I added context from an article after you posted. Read the quotes. I know the lay of the land in UNC system athletics programs enough to know that a N/S divisional setup would be attractive to UNCG from a cost containment aspect, and if you factor in a southern division that includes Elon, NC A&T, UNCW, COfC, W&M and Hampton, that is a very compact region and the quality and size of the schools is much more on par with UNCG than the SoCon schools.

What's so comical to me was how many years I was banging the UNCG drum BEFORE Wes Miller finally led them to some winning seasons and championships and I was told they weren't good enough for the CAA. And now i'm being told they're too good. Take a look at their record this year. They're falling back to their mean. The south division of the CAA I am proposing would be VERY attractive to UNCG and since i'm confident that Flo will be gone when the contract is up, that's a non issue.

South - Hampton, W&M, UNCG, NC A&T, Elon, UNCW, CofC

That would be very attractive to A&T , UNCG the CAA. And i'd be fine with A&T and UNCG instead of Campbell and UNCG. A&T has a HUGE fan base and they travel really well.

If I was a school that the CAA was courting to be a member, and I was sitting on the fence, trying to decide if it would be a good move. I look at the FloSports contract and say no thanks.

(01-21-2022 07:09 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote: [ -> ]If I was a school that the CAA was courting to be a member, and I was sitting on the fence, trying to decide if it would be a good move. I look at the FloSports contract and say no thanks.

The Flo contract has not been renewed and I can't see it being renewed. I'd be surprised if the CAA hasn't already addressed that issue and is involved with ESPN as we speak. Even though they took a chance and it didn't work out, they aren't complete idiots. I feel pretty sure that every fan base in the CAA has made it very clear that they do not support using FloSports since I haven't heard a single supporter and the opposition to Flo is very vocal and public. They can't not know.