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With KSU's win, Big 12 slips barely into 2nd for the 2nd straight year. SEC first for the 12th time in the last 16 years. Big 10 was tops in 2017 and 2019, ACC in 2016 and Big 12 in 2011. Pac 12 worst ever performance by a P5 conference.

SEC 40 14 74.07%
BIG 12 20 8 71.43%
BIG 10 32 13 71.11%
MWC 26 18 59.09%
ACC 23 23 50.00%
AAC 19 19 50.00%
SUN BELT 16 19 45.71%
IND 31 37 45.59%
MAC 13 31 29.55%
PAC 12 9 23 28.13%
USA 13 37 26.00%
would add with FCS games-
P12 16-25 .390
CUSA 27-37 .422

P12 with 2 FCS losses to 0 for CUSA.
(01-05-2022 12:43 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]would add with FCS games-
P12 16-25 .390
CUSA 27-37 .422

P12 with 2 FCS losses to 0 for CUSA.

SEC and ACC had FCS losses as well
(01-05-2022 12:43 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]would add with FCS games-
P12 16-25 .390
CUSA 27-37 .422

P12 with 2 FCS losses to 0 for CUSA.

It does put the Pac at the bottom:
BIG 12 29 8 78.38%
SEC 53 15 77.94%
BIG 10 39 13 75.00%
MWC 35 20 63.64%
ACC 36 24 60.00%
AAC 28 20 58.33%
SUN BELT 24 20 54.55%
IND 36 40 47.37%
MAC 24 32 42.86%
USA 27 37 42.19%
PAC 12 16 25 39.02%

347 254
I-AA 12 105 10.26%
(01-05-2022 12:35 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]With KSU's win, Big 12 slips barely into 2nd for the 2nd straight year. SEC first for the 12th time in the last 16 years. Big 10 was tops in 2017 and 2019, ACC in 2016 and Big 12 in 2011. Pac 12 worst ever performance by a P5 conference.

SEC 40 14 74.07%
BIG 12 20 8 71.43%
BIG 10 32 13 71.11%
MWC 26 18 59.09%
ACC 23 23 50.00%
AAC 19 19 50.00%
SUN BELT 16 19 45.71%
IND 31 37 45.59%
MAC 13 31 29.55%
PAC 12 9 23 28.13%
USA 13 37 26.00%


Two Questions:

Does anyone see a discrepancy between the fact that the PAC 12 had such a poor OOC record and the fact that the PAC 12 has been ranked 5th practically all season long in the Massey Composite conference rankings?

Can anyone explain the apparent discrepancy?

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(01-05-2022 10:46 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-05-2022 12:35 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]With KSU's win, Big 12 slips barely into 2nd for the 2nd straight year. SEC first for the 12th time in the last 16 years. Big 10 was tops in 2017 and 2019, ACC in 2016 and Big 12 in 2011. Pac 12 worst ever performance by a P5 conference.

SEC 40 14 74.07%
BIG 12 20 8 71.43%
BIG 10 32 13 71.11%
MWC 26 18 59.09%
ACC 23 23 50.00%
AAC 19 19 50.00%
SUN BELT 16 19 45.71%
IND 31 37 45.59%
MAC 13 31 29.55%
PAC 12 9 23 28.13%
USA 13 37 26.00%


Two Questions:

Does anyone see a discrepancy between the fact that the PAC 12 had such a poor OOC record and the fact that the PAC 12 has been ranked 5th practically all season long in the Massey Composite conference rankings?

Can anyone explain the apparent discrepancy?

.

Will the Massey Composite be updated to reflect bowl records, or is December 4th the final version?
(01-05-2022 12:04 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-05-2022 10:46 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-05-2022 12:35 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]With KSU's win, Big 12 slips barely into 2nd for the 2nd straight year. SEC first for the 12th time in the last 16 years. Big 10 was tops in 2017 and 2019, ACC in 2016 and Big 12 in 2011. Pac 12 worst ever performance by a P5 conference.

SEC 40 14 74.07%
BIG 12 20 8 71.43%
BIG 10 32 13 71.11%
MWC 26 18 59.09%
ACC 23 23 50.00%
AAC 19 19 50.00%
SUN BELT 16 19 45.71%
IND 31 37 45.59%
MAC 13 31 29.55%
PAC 12 9 23 28.13%
USA 13 37 26.00%


Two Questions:

Does anyone see a discrepancy between the fact that the PAC 12 had such a poor OOC record and the fact that the PAC 12 has been ranked 5th practically all season long in the Massey Composite conference rankings?

Can anyone explain the apparent discrepancy?

.

Will the Massey Composite be updated to reflect bowl records, or is December 4th the final version?

It'll update after next Monday.
(01-05-2022 10:46 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-05-2022 12:35 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]With KSU's win, Big 12 slips barely into 2nd for the 2nd straight year. SEC first for the 12th time in the last 16 years. Big 10 was tops in 2017 and 2019, ACC in 2016 and Big 12 in 2011. Pac 12 worst ever performance by a P5 conference.

SEC 40 14 74.07%
BIG 12 20 8 71.43%
BIG 10 32 13 71.11%
MWC 26 18 59.09%
ACC 23 23 50.00%
AAC 19 19 50.00%
SUN BELT 16 19 45.71%
IND 31 37 45.59%
MAC 13 31 29.55%
PAC 12 9 23 28.13%
USA 13 37 26.00%


Two Questions:

Does anyone see a discrepancy between the fact that the PAC 12 had such a poor OOC record and the fact that the PAC 12 has been ranked 5th practically all season long in the Massey Composite conference rankings?

Can anyone explain the apparent discrepancy?

.
The PAC 12 has fewer bottom teams.

If you look at Sagarin Ratings and break into (rough quartiles) of 32 schools. Schools in bottom quartile (97 or lower)

ACC (1) Duke
B1G (1) Northwestern
B12 (1) Kansas
SEC (1) Vanderbilt
P12 (1) Arizona
AAC (4) Navy, Tulane, USF, Temple
MWC (5) Hawai'i, CSU, SJSU, UNLV, New Mexico
Sun Belt (6) Troy, Georgia Southern, South Alabama, Arkansas State, ULM, Texas State.
MAC (7) Ball State, EMU, Kent State, Buffalo, Ohio, Bowling Green, Akron
CUSA (10) MTSU, Florida Atlantic, North Texas, ODU, UTEP, Louisiana Tech, Charlotte, Rice, USM, FIU.

If the Great Middle was formed from the median ranked teams from each conference, the standings based on Sagarin would be:

Purdue
Iowa
LSU
Auburn
Texas
K-State
WSU
UNC
Nevada
FSU
Cal
East Carolina
Memphis
Wyoming
Ball State
EMU
North Texas
ODU
Troy
South Alabama

The same logical would apply to the MAC being ranked higher than Sun Belt and CUSA, despite UTSA and Louisiana being likely favorites over Northern Illinois.
(01-05-2022 10:46 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-05-2022 12:35 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]With KSU's win, Big 12 slips barely into 2nd for the 2nd straight year. SEC first for the 12th time in the last 16 years. Big 10 was tops in 2017 and 2019, ACC in 2016 and Big 12 in 2011. Pac 12 worst ever performance by a P5 conference.

SEC 40 14 74.07%
BIG 12 20 8 71.43%
BIG 10 32 13 71.11%
MWC 26 18 59.09%
ACC 23 23 50.00%
AAC 19 19 50.00%
SUN BELT 16 19 45.71%
IND 31 37 45.59%
MAC 13 31 29.55%
PAC 12 9 23 28.13%
USA 13 37 26.00%


Two Questions:

Does anyone see a discrepancy between the fact that the PAC 12 had such a poor OOC record and the fact that the PAC 12 has been ranked 5th practically all season long in the Massey Composite conference rankings?

Can anyone explain the apparent discrepancy?

.

The Massey Composite and the Sagarin ratings both have the PAC ranked fifth. In fact, they agree on the relative ranking of almost all 10 FBS conferences. That's because they both take into account not just how many you won or lost but who you played in doing so. A disproportionate number of PAC losses were to either Notre Dame or BYU, both of which had excellent seasons. And, of course, bowl losses were also against teams with stellar records. Even the six losses against MWC opponents were to the best teams in that conference.

So at the end of the day, they are ranked ahead of the sixth place conference, the Mountain West, though not by much. That sounds about right.
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