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Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's games strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

(01-01-2022 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's game strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

Pac and ACC maybe more for autobids after their bowl results.

Pac needs to win Rose to avoid being next to last in out of conference record this year. Right now they are behind even the MAC, ahead of only CUSA.

(01-01-2022 10:51 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's game strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

Pac and ACC maybe more for autobids after their bowl results.

Pac needs to win Rose to avoid being next to last in out of conference record this year. Right now they are behind even the MAC, ahead of only CUSA.

Bowl results outside of the CFP don't matter. Most people don't care about non-CFP bowls.

(01-01-2022 10:58 AM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 10:51 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's game strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

Pac and ACC maybe more for autobids after their bowl results.

Pac needs to win Rose to avoid being next to last in out of conference record this year. Right now they are behind even the MAC, ahead of only CUSA.

Bowl results outside of the CFP don't matter. Most people don't care about non-CFP bowls.

I'm talking about out of conference for the whole year. Bottom conferences in ooc vs. FBS:
Sun Belt 16-19 45.7%
MAC 13-31 29.6%
Pac 9-22 29.0%
CUSA 13-37 26.0%
The other conferences are at 50% or better.

I do feel that this meeting could determine whether the Big 12 is considered P5 by their peers and the media. If the committee goes with the top 6 conference champs model, the Big 12 will no longer be considered P5. If they go with the P5 champs + top G5 champ model, it will.

If I am the SEC and B1G (which will always be one of the top 6 champs), it might be in my best interest to go with the first format as it relegates the Big 12 to tweener status, which reduces their ability to recruit. I would argue the Big 12 is not a power conference because it does not have a top-20 brand in the league but we shall see.

(01-01-2022 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's game strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

No, playoff expansion has never had anything to do with on the field results, otherwise at least one side would be pushing to drop down from 4 to 2 given that only 3 semi finals games up to this point have been decided by a single score and all but 1 of the other games have been 3+ score blowouts.

Well yesterday ended this possibility but if I'm the Alliance I'd pitch just having the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl as permanent semifinals with the SEC and ACC Champs playing in the Sugar Bowl. Guarantees all four P4 champs a spot in the Playoff and guarantees the semifinals are on New Year's Night every year as opposed to years like this year, (or last year LOL) when the semifinals are over in December, making New Year's Day a snoozer.

(01-01-2022 11:37 AM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]I do feel that this meeting could determine whether the Big 12 is considered P5 by their peers and the media. If the committee goes with the top 6 conference champs model, the Big 12 will no longer be considered P5. If they go with the P5 champs + top G5 champ model, it will.

If I am the SEC and B1G (which will always be one of the top 6 champs), it might be in my best interest to go with the first format as it relegates the Big 12 to tweener status, which reduces their ability to recruit. I would argue the Big 12 is not a power conference because it does not have a top-20 brand in the league but we shall see.

BXII, sans, Texas/OU+ the 4 newbies is still has a much stronger FB product than the PAC12 and the ACC. Moreover, the "New" BXII gets better TV ratings than the PAC12. This can't be ignored. Other sports will also be very strong, including hoops which will be a top 3 league on day one. Sorry UConn fan, the BXII is not going to be "down-graded".

Yup, I preferred the two top teams play each other. They had it right more than not. More playoffs teams does not equate to better teams. The difference between 1 & 2 and the rest is fairly distinguishable. It will be only worse at 12.

Even with Texas in an historic down mode, the Big 12 has consistently been #2 or #3 in football.

Now the Pac 12 has only won 29% of its out of conference games this year, better than only CUSA. That 29% is historically bad for a power conference.

Massey composite at this point:

SEC 38.85
Big 43.11
Big 12 45.45
ACC 55.71
Pac 12 63.32
MWC 69.85
AAC 72.48

I am for expansion of the playoffs because I think it will result in more parity at the top. Right now Alabama and Georgia is running circles around everyone else in recruiting. Georgia has more 5-star recruits on their roster than the entire PAC12 and BXII. Recruits, regardless of location, are landing in the same destinations since the CFP era began. It is no coincidence it is the usual suspects that make the CFP every year.

The other thing is I believe expanding the CFP will keep some of these players from opting out of bowl games. You think Kenny Pickett and Kenneth Walker III opt out if their game was part of an expanded CFP?

It will be beneficial to the health of the sport overall.

(01-01-2022 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's game strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

I think that it’s the opposite: the Alliance is going to care more about P5 auto-bids even more now than before. The *last* thing that they want is to get shut out of the playoff because of a weird conference championship game upset while the SEC gets 4 or 5 bids.

That’s a red herring, anyway. Any SEC objections about P5 auto-bids seem to be more about the SEC wanting pride of authorship that this was “their” model that they proposed. Ultimately, the SEC gets an advantage with P5 auto-bids, so they’re not the blocking party.

This is about the G5 vs. the Alliance. THAT is the fight… and I wouldn’t bet on the G5 on that one.

(01-01-2022 11:51 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ]Yup, I preferred the two top teams play each other. They had it right more than not. More playoffs teams does not equate to better teams. The difference between 1 & 2 and the rest is fairly distinguishable. It will be only worse at 12.

This is the evidence of Stockholm’s Syndrome that many college football fans seem to have. College football has the worst postseason system of any American sport and it’s not even close.

(01-01-2022 12:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 11:51 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ]Yup, I preferred the two top teams play each other. They had it right more than not. More playoffs teams does not equate to better teams. The difference between 1 & 2 and the rest is fairly distinguishable. It will be only worse at 12.

This is the evidence of Stockholm’s Syndrome that many college football fans seem to have. College football has the worst postseason system of any American sport and it’s not even close.

Here, here!

We debate more who will the committee pick instead of who would win the matchups. That's crazy.

(01-01-2022 12:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]I am for expansion of the playoffs because I think it will result in more parity at the top. Right now Alabama and Georgia is running circles around everyone else in recruiting. Georgia has more 5-star recruits on their roster than the entire PAC12 and BXII. Recruits, regardless of location, are landing in the same destinations since the CFP era began. It is no coincidence it is the usual suspects that make the CFP every year.

The other thing is I believe expanding the CFP will keep some of these players from opting out of bowl games. You think Kenny Pickett and Kenneth Walker III opt out if their game was part of an expanded CFP?

It will be beneficial to the health of the sport overall.

I forgot who it was, but one of the commissioners or ADs (possibly Bowlsby) said (rough quote) "We had no idea how much of a disadvantage it would be to not make the playoffs."

So its crazy if a P5 conference stops expansion until the contract is up. Not just money, but everything else, especially recruiting.

(01-01-2022 12:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's game strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

I think that it’s the opposite: the Alliance is going to care more about P5 auto-bids even more now than before. The *last* thing that they want is to get shut out of the playoff because of a weird conference championship game upset while the SEC gets 4 or 5 bids.

That’s a red herring, anyway. Any SEC objections about P5 auto-bids seem to be more about the SEC wanting pride of authorship that this was “their” model that they proposed. Ultimately, the SEC gets an advantage with P5 auto-bids, so they’re not the blocking party.

This is about the G5 vs. the Alliance. THAT is the fight… and I wouldn’t bet on the G5 on that one.

AAC vs the Alliance you mean. The other G5 conferences don’t care either way.

(01-01-2022 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 12:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 11:51 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ]Yup, I preferred the two top teams play each other. They had it right more than not. More playoffs teams does not equate to better teams. The difference between 1 & 2 and the rest is fairly distinguishable. It will be only worse at 12.

This is the evidence of Stockholm’s Syndrome that many college football fans seem to have. College football has the worst postseason system of any American sport and it’s not even close.

Here, here!

Seconded! Expanded national playoffs have worked fine for NCAA college hoops, baseball and hockey. FCS, lower divisions and state high schools all have expansive football playoff models that have worked for decades.

(01-01-2022 12:24 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 12:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2022 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else think that the results of yesterday's game strengthen the SEC's hand in its battle with the Alliance over P5 autobids?

I think that it’s the opposite: the Alliance is going to care more about P5 auto-bids even more now than before. The *last* thing that they want is to get shut out of the playoff because of a weird conference championship game upset while the SEC gets 4 or 5 bids.

That’s a red herring, anyway. Any SEC objections about P5 auto-bids seem to be more about the SEC wanting pride of authorship that this was “their” model that they proposed. Ultimately, the SEC gets an advantage with P5 auto-bids, so they’re not the blocking party.

This is about the G5 vs. the Alliance. THAT is the fight… and I wouldn’t bet on the G5 on that one.

AAC vs the Alliance you mean. The other G5 conferences don’t care either way.

I think they are all in agreement with the AAC, but may not want to be out in front.