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Short term solution for this year's team?

Long term solution?
(12-31-2021 07:21 PM)BucDoctor Wrote: [ -> ]Short term solution for this year's team?

Long term solution?

Fire Oliver, offer Forbes 2.5 million to come back. 04-rock

Edit: Make it 4 million (Harder to poach)
Sounds a little snarky Rod.
(12-31-2021 07:21 PM)BucDoctor Wrote: [ -> ]Short term solution for this year's team?

Long term solution?

Lower expectations? Look forward to tennis season? Learn a foreign language? Take up curling?
Pull the redshirt on Nunez and start getting him 10 mins a game at the 5, so he can be ready by the last half of conference and the tournament. Slow the offense down and try to control the game’s pace. If we’re only gonna put 50 odd points up, might as well slow everything else down. A good coach has to play the hand he’s dealt. Forbes would be making a change right now.
(12-31-2021 10:31 PM)shampoo Wrote: [ -> ]Pull the redshirt on Nunez and start getting him 10 mins a game at the 5, so he can be ready by the last half of conference and the tournament. Slow the offense down and try to control the game’s pace. If we’re only gonna put 50 odd points up, might as well slow everything else down. A good coach has to play the hand he’s dealt. Forbes would be making a change right now.

The kid had all of preseason practice, all practices since then and the coaches don't think he is ready but 7-8 games of playing 10 minutes (I doubt he will last that long without fouling out most of them) will magically get him ready. Damn. That simple.
The coaches who actually have watched him play (a LOT), and know ( even if they are bad coaches) roughly 1000 times more about basketball than you are wrong. He Big, We need Big.. play Big, Problem solved. Ugh.
Next argument, Well if he isn't good enough to play, why recruit him. Development?
I mean look at how much better Weber is now vs even last year and an even bigger gap going back to freshman year.
Just think if this was his 2nd year playing instead of 3rd. Did those 7.3 minutes in 16 games (out of 34) really help his development more than a redshirt? Nah
(12-31-2021 11:07 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-31-2021 10:31 PM)shampoo Wrote: [ -> ]Pull the redshirt on Nunez and start getting him 10 mins a game at the 5, so he can be ready by the last half of conference and the tournament. Slow the offense down and try to control the game’s pace. If we’re only gonna put 50 odd points up, might as well slow everything else down. A good coach has to play the hand he’s dealt. Forbes would be making a change right now.

The kid had all of preseason practice, all practices since then and the coaches don't think he is ready but 7-8 games of playing 10 minutes (I doubt he will last that long without fouling out most of them) will magically get him ready. Damn. That simple.
The coaches who actually have watched him play (a LOT), and know ( even if they are bad coaches) roughly 1000 times more about basketball than you are wrong. He Big, We need Big.. play Big, Problem solved. Ugh.
Next argument, Well if he isn't good enough to play, why recruit him. Development?
I mean look at how much better Weber is now vs even last year and an even bigger gap going back to freshman year.
Just think if this was his 2nd year playing instead of 3rd. Did those 7.3 minutes in 16 games (out of 34) really help his development more than a redshirt? Nah
Yes if Nunez were good enough to play D1 basketball for us he likely would be playing right now. The coaches know he is not good enough along with the other red shirts. And as recent history had shown if any of our freshmen do develop into something special they will likely transfer out. Transfers that are all ready developed and want more playing time are our solution. Transfers allow us to win now and ETSU has shown the ability to attract good transfers that can win conference championships for us. There probably is not a solution this year but next year we can turn it around with good transfers.
Well let's see do you think either Hodges are Williamson would have left if Forbes hadn't? Or that Monsanto wasn't good enough to play Div I ball? I mean he did redshirt so that means has to be bad, right? But I get your plan, run off at least half the team and bring in all new guys. Who do you keep? King, I guess, Seymour? They are transfers so obviously good. Toss all 4 of the freshmen who were redshirt, nobody got time for that. That kid transferring in from Coastal? Gotta keep him. Wasted 3 scholarships on freshmen? Hell no, rescind those offers, we need JUCO's at the very least. Charles he is raw and has some flashes but nah we can do better, 86 him. Yasser? Good kid, tough, but heck. He probably won't stay anyway but keep him maybe one more year, probably be ready to go home and turn pro anyway.Weber, he can probably stay another year but we don't recruit freshmen to let them graduate, that's not the ETSU Way, give him another year., but just one!!

Grab at least 7-8 new guys next year and we will be set, I understand now.

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Email Oliver with these solutions and he’d probably tell you what you could do with them — in a diplomatic way of course.
I'm trying to figure out what the expectations for this team were from this group. I figured we'd be in a mid-pack SoCon team and get no post-season action, but was hoping for a surprise regular season champ or second and a surprise post-season tournament of some flavor. We've had some good wins and some bad/head-scratching losses. It's not clear that we're grossly under-performing, but we're definitely not over-performing. Personally, I'm not seeing that it's time to press the panic button.

I do see some legit concerns or criticisms. The first is the Nunez situation. We are beef-poor at the 5 and he could make up a little (or maybe more) of that gap if he gets 5-10 minutes per game; at worst, he might give us a hack-a-Shaq option for a 50% FT shooting opposing center. And I'm not sure that saving a red-shirt is really all that valuable is today's game. However, I don't see Nunez in practice; he may require much more development in parts of his game.

Another is recruiting strategy. I get the impression that he thinks he can develop and keep players for most of their eligibility. The jury's still out on this, but I think at ETSU, turning the team over every other year is much more likely than getting 3 or 4 years. With the transfer portal, mid-majors become much more like farm clubs for the larger schools than even 5 years ago.
(01-01-2022 09:30 AM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ]Email Oliver with these solutions and he’d probably tell you what you could do with them — in a diplomatic way of course.

I love, love the passion of our fanbase, they really care about this team and it shows, our crowds show that, We have the best fans in the SoCon. They just aren't as informed about why and how certain decisions are made. I understand that, there really isn't any way they could be. I want to be transparent but certain things need to be kept between me and the players. So while I appreciate the suggestions and understand where they are coming from I am going to have to ask the fans to trust the process, me and my coaching staff have a plan. sometimes things come up, it has to be altered but we have our goals, we are focused on them.
Thanks Jay. - Oliver.

But to stip the pot a bit. 05-stirthepot05-stirthepot
I would set the betting line at us losing 3.5 players next year (not counting Sloan and Patterson of course).
So do we lose more or less than 3.5, for any reason. transferring, turning pro, getting kicked off, whatever. That is of the of the 11 who COULD come back next year
I don't think this is off-topic, but some may think so. I thought it veeery interesting that, in the post-game interview, Oliver gave Jay a list of questions to ask the players that he (Jay) was going to be interviewing after he (Oliver) had his turn. He wanted Jay to put them on the spot (as a public proxy for himself). It was clear Jay was uncomfortable with that 'suggestion', but sort of halfway followed through - but making clear that specific questions were those put to him to ask. The implication, to me, is that Oliver was, shall we say, displeased with some of the performances. And so the seniors (captains) were made (sort of) to answer those questions. I understand his m.o. there, but that kinda disappoints me. To their credit, they did an adequate job of responding.

What did the rest of you think of that?
(12-31-2021 10:31 PM)shampoo Wrote: [ -> ]Pull the redshirt on Nunez and start getting him 10 mins a game at the 5, so he can be ready by the last half of conference and the tournament. Slow the offense down and try to control the game’s pace. If we’re only gonna put 50 odd points up, might as well slow everything else down. A good coach has to play the hand he’s dealt. Forbes would be making a change right now.
I think we've enough speed that we don't need to play slower, but faster or with more movement. Offensively, I'd like to see at least one probing drive and an attempt at an inside pass each half court possession. Making the defense move will open up offensive opportunities. Sounds obvious, and it is, but see how often drives and passes are not used.

Defensively, I think we'll have to break out a press once a half. This may not cause many turnovers, but it can mess up the opposing offense's rhythm. This can result in a couple easy buckets, but I think we need to speed up the defense. Without a big inside presence, we have to intentionally pressure potential entry passes. And the opposing big guy's defender has to try to make him catch a post pass a foot or two further outside than he'd like.

The OP asked for short-term solutions. I don't know that these things will make us conference champs, but we need to use what we have to counter what we don't.
(01-01-2022 01:05 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think this is off-topic, but some may think so. I thought it veeery interesting that, in the post-game interview, Oliver gave Jay a list of questions to ask the players that he (Jay) was going to be interviewing after he (Oliver) had his turn. He wanted Jay to put them on the spot (as a public proxy for himself). It was clear Jay was uncomfortable with that 'suggestion', but sort of halfway followed through - but making clear that specific questions were those put to him to ask. The implication, to me, is that Oliver was, shall we say, displeased with some of the performances. And so the seniors (captains) were made (sort of) to answer those questions. I understand his m.o. there, but that kinda disappoints me. To their credit, they did an adequate job of responding.

What did the rest of you think of that?

It certainly appears this team sorely lacks leadership, and Coach Oliver needs to find some players to step forward. However, if your description is accurate, the kindest term I can think of to describe this kind of motivation is "inelegant."
I will try to briefly explain my thoughts: slow the offense down, not the players per se, by using the full shot clock during half court sets. The possession clock needs to stay with ETSU as much as possible to keep the opposing team from putting up 80 points every game. I do like the press on defense, but the team can’t do that in a 3-game stretch (tournament time) with a short bench with 1 true 4 and no 5 (the reason I would love to see Nunez given a chance—if he was that bad, Oliver had no business recruiting him in the first place and more or less claiming he was ready to play in the press release.)

ETSU is not winning the shootout game Oliver wants to play. It barely worked against Georgia. He does not have the roster to do it consistently. If we make it halfway through conference and continue to see the same results, the Bartow comments only become more salient. Forbes, God bless him, changed the roster up constantly, even through the beginning of conference play, until he found the best shot. Yeah, we need some leadership out of the juniors and seniors, but “attitude reflects leadership”, to steal that Remember the Titans quote—how is Oliver going to get the right attitude out of his players moving forward?
(01-01-2022 01:05 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think this is off-topic, but some may think so. I thought it veeery interesting that, in the post-game interview, Oliver gave Jay a list of questions to ask the players that he (Jay) was going to be interviewing after he (Oliver) had his turn. He wanted Jay to put them on the spot (as a public proxy for himself). It was clear Jay was uncomfortable with that 'suggestion', but sort of halfway followed through - but making clear that specific questions were those put to him to ask. The implication, to me, is that Oliver was, shall we say, displeased with some of the performances. And so the seniors (captains) were made (sort of) to answer those questions. I understand his m.o. there, but that kinda disappoints me. To their credit, they did an adequate job of responding.

What did the rest of you think of that?

Personally, I'm ok with him doing that. What he's trying to establish is accountability - the players have to be accountable for how they played. Getting beat by 30 by Chattanooga suggests to me that the players quit, and Oliver doing this on the post game suggests he noticed some lack of accountability out there, and possible quitting. We have to be more mentally tough than what we have shown these last couple of weeks. I think they miss Adekhe's leadership.

In terms of strategy changes, me personally I would put them in a full court press from the tip off on. We are 10 deep, and we're deeper than a lot of teams in the SoCon. I think we could wear teams out. I know that likely won't happen, but what Oliver needs to do is establish a defensive identity with this team. The reason I think we are so inconsistent is that we don't know who we are. Are we a defensive team, or are we shoot freely team? Honestly, I think we're more the latter, and we need to be more of the former. Forbes established a defensive identity with every team he coached.

Shay didn't establish much of anything, except running plays the way he thought they should be run. Kneeling aside, he wasn't a very good head coach, he wasn't a very good face of the program, and he had some major issues with players and athletic staff. I think we're seeing a possible lack of buy-in from the current players, but undoubtedly, it's tough to have a solid team with 3 coaches in 3 years and changes in philosophy. There's time to turn it around, and I think they were fortunate to get the Western game postponed and have a week to prep for VMI. They're going to need it - VMI is good.
Great post GoBucsGo. Agree with everything you said.

Spot on with pressing and going 10 deep. We are not big or good enough inside to run half court post oriented stuff on the offensive end and definitely not able to defend the post on the defensive side. Let's try to run em' into turnovers and create full court havoc on D to get some easy buckets on O and keep them out of the paint.

Also, a bullseye on Shay not being HC material. Was a bad hire from the get-go (which I said from beginning) which has nothing to do with the kneeling. Wasn't going to bring us any kind of sustained success long term and obviously had numerous issues with players (defections) and staff. JS makes a good #2 or#3 but not cut out for the head chair.

Lastly, I agree that it's probably a good thing we got some extra time off before we face the Keydets who are playing very well and were very underrated coming into the season.

Again, nice post GoBucsGo

Go Bucs!
The coaches show is on tonight at six on the Sports Monster with Jay.
I called it a while ago. Coach was going to wind up pulling the redshirt on Nunez. I just wish it happened sooner so he could have had at least a little experience prior to conference play.
(01-05-2022 08:13 PM)shampoo Wrote: [ -> ]I called it a while ago. Coach was going to wind up pulling the redshirt on Nunez. I just wish it happened sooner so he could have had at least a little experience prior to conference play.

Wow, you are really bragging about being right? Because of 2 players being in COVID protocols.. Just Wow.. what D@ck move, but you do you
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