We have ALL been saying this for YEARS about Judy. But... NOTHING happens. Time to give up I guess. I'll be dead before she's gone. One problem is the new team university presidents may have some loyalty to HER since she brought them into the conference.
It may take some type of natural disaster to get her replaced.
(02-12-2022 12:28 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]Was doing a comparison in baseball, basketball, and football between 6 potential FCS callups. EKU, Kennesaw State, ETSU, SFA, Tarelton State, and McNeese State. Without looking at facilities at all, Here is how they rated 1 to 6 in baseball, basketball, and football, respectively.
EKU 5-5-4 = 14
Kennesaw State = 2,4,1 = 7
ETSU = 3,2,2 =7
SFA = 4,1,3 = 8
Tarelton State = 6,3,6 = 15
McNeese State = 1,6,5 = 12
So Kennesaw State, ETSU, and SFA have the best overall athletic programs.
Cool little breakdown here, thanks for putting this together. Love seeing lists like this. I do have a few questions though.
What puts McNeese at fifth in terms of football? Aside from EKU, they’re easily the most successful FCS program on the “expansion shortlist”. Not that this really matters in going FBS, it’s just McNeese has always done less with more which would translate well into the G5. I understand they’ve hit a rough patch within the past decade, but they’re a true 1-AA power in every sense. Easily have the stadium to go CUSA now and their fanbase is without a doubt the largest on the list, as they draw north of 20k for big games to this day. Not sure if either of those were factors in the rank.
Also curious as to why you think KSU has the most potential on the list as a football program. They had a good run to the quarterfinals a few years back, but I don’t see them as anything more than your average program out of a below average conference, a good but not great FCS squad. I think it’s fair to question if they’d be a consistent playoff team in the CAA for example. Much like SHSU, I think it’s also fair to question if their lack of fans could hold them back (although KSU’s attendance showing is even more pathetic than Sammy’s). Do you think a move would elevate them that much? I’m just not seeing top flight potential.
Not challenging your rankings, am just curious as to your thought process!
(02-12-2022 10:08 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022 12:28 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]Was doing a comparison in baseball, basketball, and football between 6 potential FCS callups. EKU, Kennesaw State, ETSU, SFA, Tarelton State, and McNeese State. Without looking at facilities at all, Here is how they rated 1 to 6 in baseball, basketball, and football, respectively.
EKU 5-5-4 = 14
Kennesaw State = 2,4,1 = 7
ETSU = 3,2,2 =7
SFA = 4,1,3 = 8
Tarelton State = 6,3,6 = 15
McNeese State = 1,6,5 = 12
So Kennesaw State, ETSU, and SFA have the best overall athletic programs.
Cool little breakdown here, thanks for putting this together. Love seeing lists like this. I do have a few questions though.
What puts McNeese at fifth in terms of football? Aside from EKU, they’re easily the most successful FCS program on the “expansion shortlist”. Not that this really matters in going FBS, it’s just McNeese has always done less with more which would translate well into the G5. I understand they’ve hit a rough patch within the past decade, but they’re a true 1-AA power in every sense. Easily have the stadium to go CUSA now and their fanbase is without a doubt the largest on the list, as they draw north of 20k for big games to this day. Not sure if either of those were factors in the rank.
Also curious as to why you think KSU has the most potential on the list as a football program. They had a good run to the quarterfinals a few years back, but I don’t see them as anything more than your average program out of a below average conference, a good but not great FCS squad. I think it’s fair to question if they’d be a consistent playoff team in the CAA for example. Much like SHSU, I think it’s also fair to question if their lack of fans could hold them back (although KSU’s attendance showing is even more pathetic than Sammy’s). Do you think a move would elevate them that much? I’m just not seeing top flight potential.
Not challenging your rankings, am just curious as to your thought process!
This is just done by current rankings today, not putting the past into it. McNeese as far as latest football rankings was 5th out of 6, even though they may have been good historically.
(02-12-2022 11:40 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022 10:08 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022 12:28 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote: [ -> ]Was doing a comparison in baseball, basketball, and football between 6 potential FCS callups. EKU, Kennesaw State, ETSU, SFA, Tarelton State, and McNeese State. Without looking at facilities at all, Here is how they rated 1 to 6 in baseball, basketball, and football, respectively.
EKU 5-5-4 = 14
Kennesaw State = 2,4,1 = 7
ETSU = 3,2,2 =7
SFA = 4,1,3 = 8
Tarelton State = 6,3,6 = 15
McNeese State = 1,6,5 = 12
So Kennesaw State, ETSU, and SFA have the best overall athletic programs.
Cool little breakdown here, thanks for putting this together. Love seeing lists like this. I do have a few questions though.
What puts McNeese at fifth in terms of football? Aside from EKU, they’re easily the most successful FCS program on the “expansion shortlist”. Not that this really matters in going FBS, it’s just McNeese has always done less with more which would translate well into the G5. I understand they’ve hit a rough patch within the past decade, but they’re a true 1-AA power in every sense. Easily have the stadium to go CUSA now and their fanbase is without a doubt the largest on the list, as they draw north of 20k for big games to this day. Not sure if either of those were factors in the rank.
Also curious as to why you think KSU has the most potential on the list as a football program. They had a good run to the quarterfinals a few years back, but I don’t see them as anything more than your average program out of a below average conference, a good but not great FCS squad. I think it’s fair to question if they’d be a consistent playoff team in the CAA for example. Much like SHSU, I think it’s also fair to question if their lack of fans could hold them back (although KSU’s attendance showing is even more pathetic than Sammy’s). Do you think a move would elevate them that much? I’m just not seeing top flight potential.
Not challenging your rankings, am just curious as to your thought process!
This is just done by current rankings today, not putting the past into it. McNeese as far as latest football rankings was 5th out of 6, even though they may have been good historically.
One year is way to short of a period to rank anything especially as a future predictor of athletic program success. McNeese's program would jump up quick if FBS. Currently they are recruiting against several local FBS teams. Most players will go FBS before FCS no matter the situation. Put the FBS badge on McNeese and those recruiting battles will turn in a hurry as will the quality of their programs. Even non football teams are affected as those coaches counter with those are not true DI programs since football is FCS.
I don't see what CUSA's endgame is. Contracts don't make you a slave.
The contract said to leave CUSA it costs you 2 years worth of distribution and a 14 month waiting period. If you want to break the 14 month waiting period, talks for a financial arrangement can occur.
The SB3 tried to engage in those talks but CUSA wouldn't engage.
They cannot hold the 3 public entities hostage therefore its all about the money. CUSA should have just named their price since it wasn't spelled out.
I don't see the damages CUSA is incurring by the 3 leave early, so collecting much additional revenue seems difficult
(02-13-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see what CUSA's endgame is. Contracts don't make you a slave.
The contract said to leave CUSA it costs you 2 years worth of distribution and a 14 month waiting period. If you want to break the 14 month waiting period, talks for a financial arrangement can occur.
The SB3 tried to engage in those talks but CUSA wouldn't engage.
They cannot hold the 3 public entities hostage therefore its all about the money. CUSA should have just named their price since it wasn't spelled out.
I don't see the damages CUSA is incurring by the 3 leave early, so collecting much additional revenue seems difficult
Has CUSA made a statement they didnt reply? So far only one side has made those statements. Negotiating in good faith? Whos definition? Sounds like a court case but the SB3 will not play in CUSA next year.
(02-13-2022 10:28 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ] (02-13-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see what CUSA's endgame is. Contracts don't make you a slave.
The contract said to leave CUSA it costs you 2 years worth of distribution and a 14 month waiting period. If you want to break the 14 month waiting period, talks for a financial arrangement can occur.
The SB3 tried to engage in those talks but CUSA wouldn't engage.
They cannot hold the 3 public entities hostage therefore its all about the money. CUSA should have just named their price since it wasn't spelled out.
I don't see the damages CUSA is incurring by the 3 leave early, so collecting much additional revenue seems difficult
Has CUSA made a statement they didnt reply? So far only one side has made those statements. Negotiating in good faith? Whos definition? Sounds like a court case but the SB3 will not play in CUSA next year.
Sure there is a ton we don't know about but from the public statements I'm reading
SB3: We want to leave early what's the price?
CUSA: There isn't a price we expect you to stay
SB3: That doesn't work for me brother, we tried to negotiate so we are just going to leave
CUSA: We told you we expected you to stay so we are going to sue you now for leaving
What does CUSA hope to recover? There are no set damages for leaving early in the contract and the actual damages are minimal at best
(02-13-2022 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (02-13-2022 10:28 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote: [ -> ] (02-13-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see what CUSA's endgame is. Contracts don't make you a slave.
The contract said to leave CUSA it costs you 2 years worth of distribution and a 14 month waiting period. If you want to break the 14 month waiting period, talks for a financial arrangement can occur.
The SB3 tried to engage in those talks but CUSA wouldn't engage.
They cannot hold the 3 public entities hostage therefore its all about the money. CUSA should have just named their price since it wasn't spelled out.
I don't see the damages CUSA is incurring by the 3 leave early, so collecting much additional revenue seems difficult
Has CUSA made a statement they didnt reply? So far only one side has made those statements. Negotiating in good faith? Whos definition? Sounds like a court case but the SB3 will not play in CUSA next year.
Sure there is a ton we don't know about but from the public statements I'm reading
SB3: We want to leave early what's the price?
CUSA: There isn't a price we expect you to stay
SB3: That doesn't work for me brother, we tried to negotiate so we are just going to leave
CUSA: We told you we expected you to stay so we are going to sue you now for leaving
What does CUSA hope to recover? There are no set damages for leaving early in the contract and the actual damages are minimal at best
Why this subject on this thread?
Your imaginary conversation is just that. None of us knows what exactly has been said or not said.
Yep, wrong thread. Solohawks makes so many posts all over the place-- he lost his way.