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(01-25-2022 12:23 AM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

They're both terrible at football and far away from all the other teams, for two things.

Notably, that would even be true if they were to join as full members, which they probably could have become if they had been willing to leave the Atlantic 10.

There's nothing intrinsically problematic about having a couple of hybrid members. The ACC (Notre Dame, non-FB), AAC (Navy, Wichita St.), and MWC (Hawaii) are all very happy to have hybrid members.

A much stronger "hybrid" case could be made for adding a school such as North Dakota State as a FB-only member.


The C-USA 4.0 certainly doesn't need to add a weak FB or BB program at this point, but they may need to add a strong FB or BB school, whether as a full or affiliate member.

The 9 football teams were led by #29 Liberty and #42 WKU in 2020 and 2021.
Liberty finished at #57 and MTSU at #87 in 2021. SHSU was ranked #90th.

https://www.sports-ratings.com/college_football/power-rating-all-divisions.html.

However, North Dakota State was ranked #50th in the same poll.

In 2020, North Dakota State finished with a #38th ranking http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

That's the kind of hybrid program that C-USA could benefit from adding.

NDSU's located so close to Minnesota that it's basically a midwestern university, and no C-USA school would have to fly there for a football game more than once every two years.

In addition, they could add one of the best Southern Conference basketball schools (Chattanooga, Furman, Wofford, UNC Greensboro, or ETSU) for basketball/olympic sports.

UNC Greensboro played in the 2018 and 2021 NCAA tournaments.

ETSU played in or qualified for the 2017 and 2020 NCAA tournaments.

Chattanooga #45 (NET) played in the 2016 NCAA tourney.

Wofford played in the 2015 and 2019 NCAA tournaments.

Adding one of those schools plus NDSU would be the most effective way to improve the conference's stature in both FB and men's basketball.

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(01-25-2022 03:33 AM)Milwaukee Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 12:23 AM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

They're both terrible at football and far away from all the other teams, for two things.

Notably, that would even be true if they were to join as full members, which they probably could have become if they had been willing to leave the Atlantic 10.

I wouldn't have wanted them for all-sport members either (but the case would have been much stronger based on basketball strength).

As for NDSU, it seems like they've got a pretty good thing going there at the FCS level. Not sure they'd want to give that up.

Plus, CUSA is at the ideal number of teams for football already.

And, it's generally better (if not necessarily insurmountable, as you point out) to have all-sports members. This may be the future if they change up the divisional rules with the new NCAA constitution, but I think you just get too much variation on institutional priorities with this kind of thing.

And, I think CUSA has some by-laws about what sports need to be included (this was a thing with UAB's silliness and I think Charlotte's first exit). Not sure if it would apply to a football only member since it only really came up in a "you need to have football to belong" context. Probably best not to push it though, just in case. And it does rule out adding a non-football program (thankfully).

And, unlike UConn and UMass they are good at football but like UConn and UMass they're pretty far away from everyone else.

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

We can play a CCG with what we have I believe.

(01-25-2022 09:48 AM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

We can play a CCG with what we have I believe.

That is correct. They got rid of the requirement have a certain number of members in 2016. Competitively it doesn't make sense since you're already playing a complete round robin, but that went out the window a long time ago. Scheduling decisions are only made with the TV product in mind at this point, and every conference wants in on the extra money that comes with providing that product.

There are murmurs from Tarleton fans on the WAC board that they will be the next called up to CUSA.

We have been through ALL these scenarios before-- at least twice. Posters here just keep repeating the same things.

Why would a BB school like UNCG, Chatty (or others) want to join C-USA?

Look at it from a new perspective with an open mind.

Who has the MONEY?

--- someone with ample funds to make a big impact if adding or moving FB up?
--- someone with a LARGE (for their current situation) budget or access to rich donors
--- someone who would have the highest or second highest league budget



Who could make a good travel partner to save other schools money?

--- geography may become even MORE important in the future:

a.) helps saturate local media for coverage and advertising
b.) saves on time and money for opponents
c.) creates/ strengthens rivalries and increases attendance from home and away fans

Who has at least ONE factor that is A++ compared to other members even though it may have other things at the "D" level?

--- some feature that is KNOWN nation or region wide- it could be a famous coach, accomplishment, or other unique facet

Another way to examine this is to ask-- WHO is dead broke (individual school) or what state is struggling to fund schools? These should be crossed off the list. IMO Illinois and Louisiana are two states that are hurting (La Tech you are OK).


Examples-- just for discussion purposes...

MONEY-- supposedly Tarleton St.? name others...

Travel partner-- FGCU for FIU. I know they don't want FB- this is just an example. Also NC A&T for Liberty. Others?

"IT" factor-- example-- UCONN-- national "name"-again just an example. Others?

BROKE-- any Illinois school, McNeese St.? Others? Heard scuttlebutt that SFA was in a tight situation.

(01-25-2022 01:02 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]There are murmurs from Tarleton fans on the WAC board that they will be the next called up to CUSA.

I wouldn't be surprised. The Tarleton St folks are ambitious. They are already expanding their football stadium from 16k to 20k. They have had good crowds on occasion. Just over an hours drive from Ft Worth.

McNeese St is also ambitious and has been vocal about wanting fbs.

EKU, UT Chattanooga, SFA, NC A&T, Kennesaw St are all possibilities.

(01-25-2022 01:02 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]There are murmurs from Tarleton fans on the WAC board that they will be the next called up to CUSA.

Geographically, the are a perfect fit for CUSA between New Mexico State/UTEP and Sam Houston, so this would not shock me either.

(01-25-2022 06:04 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 01:02 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]There are murmurs from Tarleton fans on the WAC board that they will be the next called up to CUSA.

I wouldn't be surprised. The Tarleton St folks are ambitious. They are already expanding their football stadium from 16k to 20k. They have had good crowds on occasion. Just over an hours drive from Ft Worth.

McNeese St is also ambitious and has been vocal about wanting fbs.

EKU, UT Chattanooga, SFA, NC A&T, Kennesaw St are all possibilities.

There are a few posters on the ASUN board, one of whom has had info on nearly every ASUN move well before it happened, that are saying that EKU, North Alabama, and NDSU were all invited to join C-USA and declined.

For the record, I'm not buying that based on other things I've heard, but it's coming from people who generally know what they're talking about. One of the myriad reasons I don't buy it is I can't fathom a scenario in which you invite UNA but not KSU. It just doesn't make a bit of sense.

(01-26-2022 02:21 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 06:04 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 01:02 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]There are murmurs from Tarleton fans on the WAC board that they will be the next called up to CUSA.

I wouldn't be surprised. The Tarleton St folks are ambitious. They are already expanding their football stadium from 16k to 20k. They have had good crowds on occasion. Just over an hours drive from Ft Worth.

McNeese St is also ambitious and has been vocal about wanting fbs.

EKU, UT Chattanooga, SFA, NC A&T, Kennesaw St are all possibilities.

There are a few posters on the ASUN board, one of whom has had info on nearly every ASUN move well before it happened, that are saying that EKU, North Alabama, and NDSU were all invited to join C-USA and declined.

For the record, I'm not buying that based on other things I've heard, but it's coming from people who generally know what they're talking about. One of the myriad reasons I don't buy it is I can't fathom a scenario in which you invite UNA but not KSU. It just doesn't make a bit of sense.

So EKU turned down an opportunity to go fbs and share a conference with WKU?

Quote:So EKU turned down an opportunity to go fbs and share a conference with WKU?

That's what they'd be suggesting. It strikes me as pretty absurd.

BTW, I just heard from another source today that out of the meetings EKU is hearing that they won't add anymore members at this time, but in the spring is a possibility. That sounds far more plausible to me than us turning down an actual invite.

(01-25-2022 04:29 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]Look at it from a new perspective with an open mind.

(snip)

Travel partner-- FGCU for FIU. I know they don't want FB- this is just an example. Also NC A&T for Liberty. Others?

Since JSU is in the middle of the footprint, a travel partner is less necessary. (It'd still be nice to have a nearby rival or two. That will be the hardest part about leaving the ASUN.)

But schools who would qualify as such could include Kennesaw State, UTC, or UNA. (The latter is actually as far away from JSU as MTSU, but there's a long history with them.)

Which of these schools qualifies on all your other points? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(01-26-2022 04:48 PM)eku05 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:So EKU turned down an opportunity to go fbs and share a conference with WKU?

That's what they'd be suggesting. It strikes me as pretty absurd.

BTW, I just heard from another source today that out of the meetings EKU is hearing that they won't add anymore members at this time, but in the spring is a possibility. That sounds far more plausible to me than us turning down an actual invite.

It's possible the EKU offer was contingent upon WKU joining the MAC. I also believe the next round of conference realignment could begin as soon as we have some resolution on the future of the CFP.

If a school were planning to leave C-USA, they would have until 30 April 2022 (14 months notice) to move to a new conference by July 1, 2023.

Chattanooga can be scratched off all these never ending lists. SOCON passed a TWO million dollar buyout (with notice) today. Could increase (slightly) the chances for other schools East of the Mississippi.

Also we STILL do not have any resolution of many factors:

-- NCAA Div.I level SPECIFIC constitutional changes-- especially P5 vs G5 alterations

-- CFP monies and distribution amount changes

-- C-USA media deal which could influence decisions

If/when C-USA adds one member it is likely from the West or Central regions.

We still have a long way to go--- so I think these recent rumors of an add this spring are extremely UNLIKELY.

(01-27-2022 05:08 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]Chattanooga can be scratched off all these never ending lists. SOCON passed a TWO million dollar buyout (with notice) today. Could increase (slightly) the chances for other schools East of the Mississippi.

Which means either the SoCon feared UTC was actually considering a move up (very possible) or the conference leadership suspects something big is about to go down in the NCAA.

If a P5 split happens (I'm making no predictions either way) it's possible the ensuing reorganization could lead some upper tier FCS schools or conferences to merge with what is now G5.

And, IF it happens (it's a big if), the SoCon would likely be one of the conferences moving into this hybrid division. The new exit fees would help "keep the band together" during the chaos.

Either way, UTC is likely off CUSA's table, and as you said, it opens the door a bit wider for schools like KSU, EKU, NCAT, and, maybe, UNA, should expansion come again.

Of course, if the split happened and the hybrid division came to pass, you can bet your bottom dollar the ASUN (and probably the WAC) would want to be part of it, so things would get interesting fast.

Good points. There are just way too many unknowns right now to see what may happen. Odds are FEW of us will get what we perceive as a great (A+) outcome.

(01-25-2022 12:23 AM)inutech Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022 12:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]i don't understand the promblem with hybrids.
Conn n UMASS add lot of eyeballs to they conf,
they both have thier own TV contracts,
and you can play CCG. NCAA hands out waviers like candy.

They're both terrible at football and far away from all the other teams, for two things.

That's important now?

(01-27-2022 05:32 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]Also we STILL do not have any resolution of many factors:

-- NCAA Div.I level SPECIFIC constitutional changes-- especially P5 vs G5 alterations

-- CFP monies and distribution amount changes

-- C-USA media deal which could influence decisions

If/when C-USA adds one member it is likely from the West or Central regions.

We still have a long way to go--- so I think these recent rumors of an add this spring are extremely UNLIKELY.

The league likely won't expand until 2023, but if it did, I'm pretty confident that Stephen F. Austin will be that school. I also believe Conference USA will try to implement a flat-rate exit fee that will be substantial compared to what exiting schools could pay now.