I realize that not many of us have a background in law, but for those that do, I highly urge you to click the link and read and then analyze what steps can be taken to prevent this from happening:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-938387-page-2.html
Contrary to popular opinion, this does affect us (G5), and it's being engineered by none other than E$PN. E$PN views the G5 as a ratings disaster, and apparently is now willing to pay P5 (6) teams not to schedule us (G5). The reason I put (6) in parentheses by the P5 is because, like it or not, this will affect basketball as well eventually, and the Big East has been acting together with the P5 against us as well.
The Tulane president back at the time of the BCS controversy who successfully got the G5 included in the BCS might know to derail this too, but I am thinking an attorney/lawyer would know something as well. I'm just curious as to what the Tulane president knew to be able to negotiate the G5 into the BCS to begin with.
(12-19-2021 02:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]I realize that not many of us have a background in law, but for those that do, I highly urge you to click the link and read and then analyze what steps can be taken to prevent this from happening:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-938387-page-2.html
Contrary to popular opinion, this does affect us (G5), and it's being engineered by none other than E$PN. E$PN views the G5 as a ratings disaster, and apparently is now willing to pay P5 (6) teams not to schedule us (G5). The reason I put (6) in parentheses by the P5 is because, like it or not, this will affect basketball as well eventually, and the Big East has been acting together with the P5 against us as well.
The Tulane president back at the time of the BCS controversy who successfully got the G5 included in the BCS might know to derail this too, but I am thinking an attorney/lawyer would know something as well. I'm just curious as to what the Tulane president knew to be able to negotiate the G5 into the BCS to begin with.
There’s no way this happens without consent of the leftovers. Either the leftovers are satisfied in some way (ex: exempted from paying players?) or anti-trust lawsuit brings everything to a halt.
I for one say let them go so the rest of us can focus on football and not money. I hope Texas enjoys winning 5 games a year from now on.
(12-19-2021 02:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]I realize that not many of us have a background in law, but for those that do, I highly urge you to click the link and read and then analyze what steps can be taken to prevent this from happening:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-938387-page-2.html
Contrary to popular opinion, this does affect us (G5), and it's being engineered by none other than E$PN. E$PN views the G5 as a ratings disaster, and apparently is now willing to pay P5 (6) teams not to schedule us (G5). The reason I put (6) in parentheses by the P5 is because, like it or not, this will affect basketball as well eventually, and the Big East has been acting together with the P5 against us as well.
The Tulane president back at the time of the BCS controversy who successfully got the G5 included in the BCS might know to derail this too, but I am thinking an attorney/lawyer would know something as well. I'm just curious as to what the Tulane president knew to be able to negotiate the G5 into the BCS to begin with.
If TV viewers was a factor schools like Northwestern , Illinois, Texas Tech need to start finding G5 homes
Yeah, I don't see a split coming at present.
If/when a split happens, it will be football only and a lot of current “P5” schools will be left behind.
People are talking judicial stuff but that's not even the biggest obstacle. Congress will stop any split from happening in college athletics. They're not going to allow the institutions in their states and districts to get left behind. And since most of the NCAA is public schools they can do it with not much recourse from a small number of major athletic departments.
I am a lawyer and this is horse sh#+. There will be no split. There is already a distinction but ESPN needs the content and every time new deals or formats arise, the G5 gets more money to separate further from FCS.
The split talk is a wet dream of the people who don’t understand how it all works.
Even if a split did/could happen G5 won’t merge with FCS. If anything the top 10-20 schools of FCS would want to come up and then close it off.
(12-19-2021 10:47 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]If/when a split happens, it will be football only and a lot of current “P5” schools will be left behind.
Pretty much this. If a split comes, it’s not going to be the P5 breaking away from the rest of D1, it’s going to be a conference or perhaps 2 consolidating power and breaking away from the NCAA altogether. Remember the report over the summer about the SEC reaching out to Michigan and Ohio State? That’s the end game: to create a new league saturated with enough elite properties that it can operate independently outside of the current system.
If they were to quit scheduling FCS/G5 schools, there’s be a lot of teams with more losses. That’s going to result in less donations and decrease in attendance.
(12-19-2021 11:26 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote: [ -> ]If they were to quit scheduling FCS/G5 schools, there’s be a lot of teams with more losses. That’s going to result in less donations and decrease in attendance.
Just as long as they keep their TV subscriptions.
(12-20-2021 12:23 AM)Porcine Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2021 11:26 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote: [ -> ]If they were to quit scheduling FCS/G5 schools, there’s be a lot of teams with more losses. That’s going to result in less donations and decrease in attendance.
Just as long as they keep their TV subscriptions.
Ultimately it’s a radical shift in the business model from regional to national. Texas for example would shift from steamrolling Rice every year to instead playing a nationally televised game every week (and probably losing half of them). In the old model you need wins to keep up attendance and donations. In the new model you maximize your audience.
See Nebraska. They are mediocre in conference and the stadium sellout streak is dead but they get to play Ohio State on Big Ten Network and are earning more money than they ever have.
What I don't get is that the same Anti-Trust Lawsuit filed against the NCAA will apply to whatever centralized body navigates rules and regulations for this hypothetical P5 split. They say they don't want a governing body with teeth, but that's only when they benefit from breaking the rules. As soon as se capabilities of 10 schools shine through, the other 50 are going to want rules in place to help them remain competitive, and those rules may be in direction competition with what the NCAA was tasked with doing.
At this point, I don't care. I'd rather see a true playoff with or without the P5 group. The fact Texas and Texas A&M have no salary cap and will eventually have as much money to spend as some NFL franchises doesn't seem to bother the NCAA. They are paying players to fill out the roster, in direction violation of the rules, and no one cares.
Maintain the spirit of college football through the G5. There may not be as many fans but the competition in my opinion would be far more entertaining and fulfilling. The only problem with FCS really was the lack of exposure and the games at places like Furman and Wofford. At least in this realm you'll get some games against 40,000, 30,000, etc.
I wanted to care if this happened but at this point I don't. If the split happens, I think several schools from the P5 gradually move back down as it becomes more and more apparent they won't compete with the Top 10 money programs. There may be 8 programs that can really compete with money there so let them. Let them go there and play in a 16 team super league where parity is scarce and let them die.
(12-19-2021 10:47 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]If/when a split happens, it will be football only and a lot of current “P5” schools will be left behind.
Over half the P5 will just tank. Imagine Vandy-like programs only playing P5 teams. No FCS or G5 games will likely mean two to three more losses for mid-tier and below P5's. Fans do not want to see 6-6 every year. Why would any recruit just volunteer to be cannon fodder for the top quarter?
(12-20-2021 04:14 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2021 10:47 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]If/when a split happens, it will be football only and a lot of current “P5” schools will be left behind.
Over half the P5 will just tank. Imagine Vandy-like programs only playing P5 teams. No FCS or G5 games will likely mean two to three more losses for mid-tier and below P5's. Fans do not want to see 6-6 every year. Why would any recruit just volunteer to be cannon fodder for the top quarter?
I would rather the schools that are still schools leave the semi-pro schools and their hired guns behind.
(12-20-2021 04:14 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]Why would any recruit just volunteer to be cannon fodder for the top quarter?
To make bank for a couple years before getting drafted. 6 figures softens the blow of those Ls substantially.
(12-20-2021 06:24 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2021 04:14 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]Why would any recruit just volunteer to be cannon fodder for the top quarter?
To make bank for a couple years before getting drafted. 6 figures softens the blow of those Ls substantially.
Those Ls are what they are/will be getting paid for. Too many haven't figured it out, yet. They may not get drafted, so get what you can.
(12-20-2021 06:24 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2021 04:14 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ]Why would any recruit just volunteer to be cannon fodder for the top quarter?
To make bank for a couple years before getting drafted. 6 figures softens the blow of those Ls substantially.
They will not make "bank" and getting blasted 8 out of 12 min games does not bode well for getting drafted. Nor will it bode well for donations and or attendance lol. What fan is going to go and see losing football year in and out? Most P5's are not rolling in cash and those big conference checks go to pay for the rest of the athletic department. If you are a no-brainer for being drafted you are probably not going to a homecoming P5. You can get drafted at a DIV II, the NFL does not care.
(12-20-2021 04:14 PM)JCGSU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2021 10:47 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]If/when a split happens, it will be football only and a lot of current “P5” schools will be left behind.
Over half the P5 will just tank. Imagine Vandy-like programs only playing P5 teams. No FCS or G5 games will likely mean two to three more losses for mid-tier and below P5's. Fans do not want to see 6-6 every year. Why would any recruit just volunteer to be cannon fodder for the top quarter?
The NFL does just fine with teams have several losses and still winning the Super Bowl. If they have 30 teams, they will have outcomes similar to the NFL and fans will be fine with that because competition will be much closer.
However there will not be a means where the lower rung teams can make a come back, unlike the NFL. Those on the bottom are likely to remain there.
(12-19-2021 11:17 PM)HarborPointe Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2021 10:47 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]If/when a split happens, it will be football only and a lot of current “P5” schools will be left behind.
Pretty much this. If a split comes, it’s not going to be the P5 breaking away from the rest of D1, it’s going to be a conference or perhaps 2 consolidating power and breaking away from the NCAA altogether. Remember the report over the summer about the SEC reaching out to Michigan and Ohio State? That’s the end game: to create a new league saturated with enough elite properties that it can operate independently outside of the current system.
Hey as long as we can all agree that Miss State, Texas Tech, Purdue, etc don't merit inclusion in a premier league, that's good with me.
Give me the top 24-32 teams in a premier league that's split off and then the next 120 teams can play in regional conferences in the Fun League with a 24 team playoff.