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(12-13-2021 08:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like guys opting out.
Mike Leach ranted about that recently. I agree...there is one more game to be played.
Eddie Lewis is going to have to be our playmaker in the bowl game.

yet if Mr. Leach had gotten another job this offseason, he would have left before said bowl game. So Mr. Leach can kindly shut the **** up.
(12-14-2021 08:41 AM)TylerTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 07:10 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ]The last 10 years the focus has changed from what best for the team to what is best for me.

He was given a chance to walk on, they didn't have to give him that chance.

He was just going to get a degree as a track athlete no real chance to have an extra career or possibly make real money.

When someone gives you an opportunity you do not turn your back on them.

We are creating the most selfish society ever.

Making it too easy for people to walk away from commitment.

Creating a society where people value themselves and their own future is not "selfish" - it is value-based. There's no nobility in being altruistic to a possible detriment to your future.

If Austin was being paid NFL League Minimum to play at the Bowl Game, he'd probably be there. Instead, his future is not the bowl game - it is trying to get to the NFL to maximize his value and getting/staying healthy to do that is paramount.

The coaches understand this. The players understand this. There's a reasonable understanding of trading value for value and when that partnership can be opted out of for better opportunities.

Employees wouldn't stay at a job due to "commitment" if their value and worth is better elsewhere (and if they do, they're idiots). Why are we trying to apply some weird high level of commitment because it is sports? He gave the football team 4 years, he earned his spot and elevated his value and future value on hard work, and he's opting to maximize it.

Different opinions and different perspectives on it. I hope he has makes it to the NFL and God bless him on his journey on his next step. I am glad he's selfish, i.e. values himself - it helped him work towards making himself a better player.

Yep, it's all about me, me, me. F$%#% errbody, my team mates, the fans who made this possible, the game itself that gave me this opportunity, always what's best for me! Sorry to single this one out, it is happening everywhere, all the time. The world is worse for this attitude of selfishness and greed.
(12-14-2021 08:49 AM)SeƱorTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 03:05 AM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 09:36 PM)SeƱorTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 09:17 PM)Stammers Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 08:00 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ]PIZZ OFF--I will post what I want

He has a scholarship to play football---there is a game scheduled ---he should honor his damn commitment

His damn commitment to play in an exhibition game? 01-wingedeagle03-lmfao

What is the difference between this and last 3 or 4 games of the regular season?

I'm mocking the slow learner.

By all means inform the slower learner on why this is a mere exhibition game but the last few games we have played were not...

None of them are exhibition games. They all count. They are all important.
Will he play in the senior bowl ?
(12-14-2021 08:58 AM)fsquid Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 08:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like guys opting out.
Mike Leach ranted about that recently. I agree...there is one more game to be played.
Eddie Lewis is going to have to be our playmaker in the bowl game.

yet if Mr. Leach had gotten another job this offseason, he would have left before said bowl game. So Mr. Leach can kindly shut the **** up.

he tell you that?
(12-14-2021 09:16 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 08:58 AM)fsquid Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 08:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like guys opting out.
Mike Leach ranted about that recently. I agree...there is one more game to be played.
Eddie Lewis is going to have to be our playmaker in the bowl game.

yet if Mr. Leach had gotten another job this offseason, he would have left before said bowl game. So Mr. Leach can kindly shut the **** up.

he tell you that?

yes, but I took out all the "argh" and references to a 5th dimension.
(12-14-2021 09:07 AM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 08:41 AM)TylerTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 07:10 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ]The last 10 years the focus has changed from what best for the team to what is best for me.

He was given a chance to walk on, they didn't have to give him that chance.

He was just going to get a degree as a track athlete no real chance to have an extra career or possibly make real money.

When someone gives you an opportunity you do not turn your back on them.

We are creating the most selfish society ever.

Making it too easy for people to walk away from commitment.

Creating a society where people value themselves and their own future is not "selfish" - it is value-based. There's no nobility in being altruistic to a possible detriment to your future.

If Austin was being paid NFL League Minimum to play at the Bowl Game, he'd probably be there. Instead, his future is not the bowl game - it is trying to get to the NFL to maximize his value and getting/staying healthy to do that is paramount.

The coaches understand this. The players understand this. There's a reasonable understanding of trading value for value and when that partnership can be opted out of for better opportunities.

Employees wouldn't stay at a job due to "commitment" if their value and worth is better elsewhere (and if they do, they're idiots). Why are we trying to apply some weird high level of commitment because it is sports? He gave the football team 4 years, he earned his spot and elevated his value and future value on hard work, and he's opting to maximize it.

Different opinions and different perspectives on it. I hope he has makes it to the NFL and God bless him on his journey on his next step. I am glad he's selfish, i.e. values himself - it helped him work towards making himself a better player.

Yep, it's all about me, me, me. F$%#% errbody, my team mates, the fans who made this possible, the game itself that gave me this opportunity, always what's best for me! Sorry to single this one out, it is happening everywhere, all the time. The world is worse for this attitude of selfishness and greed.

A player doesn't owe anyone anything. They dedicated a life to it to make sure they squeeze out every bit they can get out of it. They made their own opportunity. And it's the false mentality the "game" gave them this opportunity. To some extent, I agree that the Fans did because the opportunity doesn't exist without fans caring enough to spend money on it, but it is still trading value for value. They trade their value as a player, and you trade your money for entertainment.

But college athletes, generally, are not making NFL money. Thus, their future livelihood depends on that opportunity. They don't owe their livelihoods to you or the university.

You expect self-sacrifice - for these kids to give up a higher value for a lesser value - to make YOU happy and to make other people happy. That is selfishness.
I don't blame him - it's just a shame that this is what the system has become.

If enough players opt out / the new variant of THE VIRUS flares up will the bowl game get canceled? Its just a meaningless exhibition game, why risk anyone's health?
(12-14-2021 09:23 AM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]I don't blame him - it's just a shame that this is what the system has become.

If enough players opt out / the new variant of THE VIRUS flares up will the bowl game get canceled? Its just a meaningless exhibition game, why risk anyone's health?

well that's why there weren't many of them last season.
(12-14-2021 09:22 AM)TylerTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 09:07 AM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 08:41 AM)TylerTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 07:10 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ]The last 10 years the focus has changed from what best for the team to what is best for me.

He was given a chance to walk on, they didn't have to give him that chance.

He was just going to get a degree as a track athlete no real chance to have an extra career or possibly make real money.

When someone gives you an opportunity you do not turn your back on them.

We are creating the most selfish society ever.

Making it too easy for people to walk away from commitment.

Creating a society where people value themselves and their own future is not "selfish" - it is value-based. There's no nobility in being altruistic to a possible detriment to your future.

If Austin was being paid NFL League Minimum to play at the Bowl Game, he'd probably be there. Instead, his future is not the bowl game - it is trying to get to the NFL to maximize his value and getting/staying healthy to do that is paramount.

The coaches understand this. The players understand this. There's a reasonable understanding of trading value for value and when that partnership can be opted out of for better opportunities.

Employees wouldn't stay at a job due to "commitment" if their value and worth is better elsewhere (and if they do, they're idiots). Why are we trying to apply some weird high level of commitment because it is sports? He gave the football team 4 years, he earned his spot and elevated his value and future value on hard work, and he's opting to maximize it.

Different opinions and different perspectives on it. I hope he has makes it to the NFL and God bless him on his journey on his next step. I am glad he's selfish, i.e. values himself - it helped him work towards making himself a better player.

Yep, it's all about me, me, me. F$%#% errbody, my team mates, the fans who made this possible, the game itself that gave me this opportunity, always what's best for me! Sorry to single this one out, it is happening everywhere, all the time. The world is worse for this attitude of selfishness and greed.

A player doesn't owe anyone anything. They dedicated a life to it to make sure they squeeze out every bit they can get out of it. They made their own opportunity. And it's the false mentality the "game" gave them this opportunity. To some extent, I agree that the Fans did because the opportunity doesn't exist without fans caring enough to spend money on it, but it is still trading value for value. They trade their value as a player, and you trade your money for entertainment.

But college athletes, generally, are not making NFL money. Thus, their future livelihood depends on that opportunity. They don't owe their livelihoods to you or the university.

You expect self-sacrifice - for these kids to give up a higher value for a lesser value - to make YOU happy and to make other people happy. That is selfishness.

we don't owe them shite either.

07-coffee3
(12-14-2021 07:10 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ]The last 10 years the focus has changed from what best for the team to what is best for me.

He was given a chance to walk on, they didn't have to give him that chance.

He was just going to get a degree as a track athlete no real chance to have an extra career or possibly make real money.

When someone gives you an opportunity you do not turn your back on them.

We are creating the most selfish society ever.

Making it too easy for people to walk away from commitment.

The school is definitely in the positive when it comes to Austin...So no the school didn't do him a favor...They did what was best for them.

If Austin would have sucked and they needed that spot for a better option they would have done it as well. They do it all the time.

So Austin should be able to do the same.

Again no one cares about the Millionaires doing it (Our D-Coordinator) who are already set for life.

But we are outraged about a kid doing it who essentially doesn't have any wealth.
(12-14-2021 09:27 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 09:22 AM)TylerTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 09:07 AM)cmt Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 08:41 AM)TylerTiger Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 07:10 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote: [ -> ]The last 10 years the focus has changed from what best for the team to what is best for me.

He was given a chance to walk on, they didn't have to give him that chance.

He was just going to get a degree as a track athlete no real chance to have an extra career or possibly make real money.

When someone gives you an opportunity you do not turn your back on them.

We are creating the most selfish society ever.

Making it too easy for people to walk away from commitment.

Creating a society where people value themselves and their own future is not "selfish" - it is value-based. There's no nobility in being altruistic to a possible detriment to your future.

If Austin was being paid NFL League Minimum to play at the Bowl Game, he'd probably be there. Instead, his future is not the bowl game - it is trying to get to the NFL to maximize his value and getting/staying healthy to do that is paramount.

The coaches understand this. The players understand this. There's a reasonable understanding of trading value for value and when that partnership can be opted out of for better opportunities.

Employees wouldn't stay at a job due to "commitment" if their value and worth is better elsewhere (and if they do, they're idiots). Why are we trying to apply some weird high level of commitment because it is sports? He gave the football team 4 years, he earned his spot and elevated his value and future value on hard work, and he's opting to maximize it.

Different opinions and different perspectives on it. I hope he has makes it to the NFL and God bless him on his journey on his next step. I am glad he's selfish, i.e. values himself - it helped him work towards making himself a better player.

Yep, it's all about me, me, me. F$%#% errbody, my team mates, the fans who made this possible, the game itself that gave me this opportunity, always what's best for me! Sorry to single this one out, it is happening everywhere, all the time. The world is worse for this attitude of selfishness and greed.

A player doesn't owe anyone anything. They dedicated a life to it to make sure they squeeze out every bit they can get out of it. They made their own opportunity. And it's the false mentality the "game" gave them this opportunity. To some extent, I agree that the Fans did because the opportunity doesn't exist without fans caring enough to spend money on it, but it is still trading value for value. They trade their value as a player, and you trade your money for entertainment.

But college athletes, generally, are not making NFL money. Thus, their future livelihood depends on that opportunity. They don't owe their livelihoods to you or the university.

You expect self-sacrifice - for these kids to give up a higher value for a lesser value - to make YOU happy and to make other people happy. That is selfishness.

we don't owe them shite either.

07-coffee3

No, we don't. That's why it's a trade of value for value. No one owes anyone anything. It's already been traded and done.
The number of Bowl games is asinine. 6-6 and 7-5 is not 'bowl worthy'. It ends up costing many of the schools money to participate.

There are so many bowl games that most of them have become meaningless - even to the players.

It used to be an honor and a privilege to participate - it was special to be selected to go, now? Just be average.....
(12-14-2021 09:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]The number of Bowl games is asinine. 6-6 and 7-5 is not 'bowl worthy'. It ends up costing many of the schools money to participate.

There are so many bowl games that most of them have become meaningless - even to the players.

It used to be an honor and a privilege to participate - it was special to be selected to go, now? Just be average.....

ESPN realized that even the worst bowl games are watching by more people than the higher rated basketball games. Thus, they started to create this filler.
(12-13-2021 07:38 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Smart move. These bowl games have always been meaningless

I see an end to the bowl games once the playoffs are expanded to 12 - 16 teams ... they will end up using many of the current bowls as playoff locations rather than on campus games, I firmly believe that ... even though its fun to watch a game in the snow, the playoffs will become too important to risk having a matchup be decided by weather .... So here comes the playoffs to the warm weather and domed sites ...
(12-14-2021 09:36 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 07:38 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Smart move. These bowl games have always been meaningless

I see an end to the bowl games once the playoffs are expanded to 12 - 16 teams ... they will end up using many of the current bowls as playoff locations rather than on campus games, I firmly believe that ... even though its fun to watch a game in the snow, the playoffs will become too important to risk having a matchup be decided by weather .... So here comes the playoffs to the warm weather and domed sites ...

nope, they will continue simply to be TV filler.
(12-14-2021 09:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]The number of Bowl games is asinine. 6-6 and 7-5 is not 'bowl worthy'. It ends up costing many of the schools money to participate.

There are so many bowl games that most of them have become meaningless - even to the players.

It used to be an honor and a privilege to participate - it was special to be selected to go, now? Just be average.....

I mean, they are bowl worthy and .500 has long been the criteria of getting in to a bowl game. They have been several occurrences of below .500 team getting into bowl games.

The expansion of bowl games also coincides with the expansion of teams at the FBS level, expansion of conferences, and more conferences wanting more bowl games.

But also - they're still rewards for student-athletes. Maybe they would mean more if the FBS also had a bigger playoff system where some of the bowls mattered for the bigger prize. But they're fun, give the team more practice time, and they get a chance to represent the university and city to bring home a trophy.
(12-14-2021 09:36 AM)fsquid Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 09:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]The number of Bowl games is asinine. 6-6 and 7-5 is not 'bowl worthy'. It ends up costing many of the schools money to participate.

There are so many bowl games that most of them have become meaningless - even to the players.

It used to be an honor and a privilege to participate - it was special to be selected to go, now? Just be average.....

ESPN realized that even the worst bowl games are watching by more people than the higher rated basketball games. Thus, they started to create this filler.

truth
(12-14-2021 01:19 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 07:41 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if he will get drafted.

Probably.

Thinking fourth round.

Yeah, probably more as a punt/kick returner and gadget guy for the right team. You can't coach speed and he's definitely got that. With his speed and route running he's got a chance to be a strong slot receiver. Only bad thing is those slot guys can get murdered going across the middle (maybe not as much as they used to with new rules) and question is can his smaller body hold up. Not sure but seems like a great kid so I'm wishing the best for him.
(12-14-2021 09:38 AM)fsquid Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2021 09:36 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2021 07:38 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Smart move. These bowl games have always been meaningless

I see an end to the bowl games once the playoffs are expanded to 12 - 16 teams ... they will end up using many of the current bowls as playoff locations rather than on campus games, I firmly believe that ... even though its fun to watch a game in the snow, the playoffs will become too important to risk having a matchup be decided by weather .... So here comes the playoffs to the warm weather and domed sites ...

nope, they will continue simply to be TV filler.

Yup, the only reason there are so many is because ESPN wants them and gambling concerns aka more eyeballs watching. Nobody cares that there is only 6 people at a condemned soccer stadium in Nassau. The eyes on the TV are the ONLY things that matter. Period.
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