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Oklahoma State was 1 yard away from winning the Big Twelve Championship. If they had won that game, would they have gone to the playoff? If so, which of the four current playoff teams would have gotten bumped out?

It would have been down to them vs. Cincinnati IMO. But Oklahoma State looked awful in that game even if they had won, so eye test may have been an issue.

Most likely

Yes.

Cincy need a whole lot of good fortune to make the playoffs. The last piece of the puzzle was the OK State runner coming up a half-yard short in the waning seconds.

(12-07-2021 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

Cincy need a whole lot of good fortune to make the playoffs. The last piece of the puzzle was the OK State runner coming up a half-yard short in the waning seconds.

Yes. Oklahoma St. would have 2 wins over Baylor and a win over Oklahoma and a lot tougher schedule (per Sagarin #13 vs. #82).

(12-07-2021 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

Cincy need a whole lot of good fortune to make the playoffs. The last piece of the puzzle was the OK State runner coming up a half-yard short in the waning seconds.

Yes. Oklahoma St. would have 2 wins over Baylor and a win over Oklahoma and a lot tougher schedule (per Sagarin #13 vs. #82).

eye test the way they looked I'm not so certain. Especially with the QB throwing 4 picks like that.

Yep, they would have gotten in.

(12-07-2021 10:34 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

Cincy need a whole lot of good fortune to make the playoffs. The last piece of the puzzle was the OK State runner coming up a half-yard short in the waning seconds.

Yes. Oklahoma St. would have 2 wins over Baylor and a win over Oklahoma and a lot tougher schedule (per Sagarin #13 vs. #82).

eye test the way they looked I'm not so certain. Especially with the QB throwing 4 picks like that.

I don't think eye test matters when you are playing another top 10 team. That comes in to play when you are playing an obviously inferior opponent.

Yes, I think so. If OSU would have won, Cincy would not have made the playoffs.

(12-07-2021 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:34 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

Cincy need a whole lot of good fortune to make the playoffs. The last piece of the puzzle was the OK State runner coming up a half-yard short in the waning seconds.

Yes. Oklahoma St. would have 2 wins over Baylor and a win over Oklahoma and a lot tougher schedule (per Sagarin #13 vs. #82).

eye test the way they looked I'm not so certain. Especially with the QB throwing 4 picks like that.

I don't think eye test matters when you are playing another top 10 team. That's for when you are playing an obviously inferior opponent.

I think it does.

I think the committee was thrilled when OSU was stopped short. Yet another year where end of the day, no controversy at all about the 4 teams in.

(12-07-2021 10:36 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:34 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

Cincy need a whole lot of good fortune to make the playoffs. The last piece of the puzzle was the OK State runner coming up a half-yard short in the waning seconds.

Yes. Oklahoma St. would have 2 wins over Baylor and a win over Oklahoma and a lot tougher schedule (per Sagarin #13 vs. #82).

eye test the way they looked I'm not so certain. Especially with the QB throwing 4 picks like that.

I don't think eye test matters when you are playing another top 10 team. That's for when you are playing an obviously inferior opponent.

I think it does.

I think the committee was thrilled when OSU was stopped short. Yet another year where end of the day, no controversy at all about the 4 teams in.

I agree with the latter two two sentences - OSU getting stopped short made the call easy for the CFP and ensured no controversy.

But despite the controversy that would have ensued, IMO, OK State would have gotten the bid over Cincy had they won. And deservedly so.

I think they would've made it, and then promptly lost to Alabama by something like 45-3. UC will probably lose but it'll be a better game than the Pokes would've put up imo.

They may have but being that half yard short caused the committee to drop them like a rock from #5 to #9 falling past three teams who sat at home and did nothing last week. It’s clear the committee was not impressed with them despite the loss being to another top ten team.

I would say No, due to how they played and would have barely won. Baylor was notably Better than Houston -- but it was limping toward a win as they were missing some players.

Let's look at the previous week's other two polls:
AP:
#3 Cinci - 1422pts
#4 Alabama - 1388pts
#5 OK-St - 1291pts
#9 Baylor - 1066pts
#16 Houston - 603pts

COACHES POLL (same Rank as CFP that has no pts; Except CFP has Houston at #21 - so to them it means even LESS):
#4 Cinci - 1399pts
#5 OK-St - 1285pts
#9 Baylor - 1046pts
#15 Houston - 607pts
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FINAL RANKINGS W/ OK-ST LOSING:
CFP:
#4 Cinci
#5 Notre Dame
#7 Baylor
#9 OK-State
#20 Houston (yes, +1)

AP:
#4 Cinci - 1404pts
#5 Notre Dame - 1280pts
#6 Baylor - 1228pts
#9 OK-State - 1060pts
#21 Houston - 358pts

COACHES POLL:
#4 Cinci - 1392pts
#5 Notre Dame - 1266pts
#6 Baylor - 1204pts
#9 OK-State - 1036pts
#21 Houston - 315pts

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So, IMO, CFP puts the G5 at a lower end. However, Cinci did beat ND, and that means something (more) to them. That said, Cinci was playing what CFP would put as Significantly lower than Baylor (#9 vs #21).

But if OK-State got that ball in to win, I would safely say they'd giving it to Cinci since Cinci is Undefeated. They already knew it'd be a close call.

But if OK-State EASILY beat Baylor, I would safely say they'd give it to OK-State.

If OK-State won, not in a barn-burner, but held off Baylor who had a chance to win, but OK-State was always a step ahead usually -- that's a tossup. I'd ERR on the side they'd pick Cinci due to them being undefeated -- but since they put more emphasis on SoS, I couldn't really say with any small certainty.

(12-07-2021 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:34 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:29 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2021 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

Cincy need a whole lot of good fortune to make the playoffs. The last piece of the puzzle was the OK State runner coming up a half-yard short in the waning seconds.

Yes. Oklahoma St. would have 2 wins over Baylor and a win over Oklahoma and a lot tougher schedule (per Sagarin #13 vs. #82).

eye test the way they looked I'm not so certain. Especially with the QB throwing 4 picks like that.

I don't think eye test matters when you are playing another top 10 team. That comes in to play when you are playing an obviously inferior opponent.

Eye test comes in when the committee wants it to come in.

That's why the question is a tossup.

No…. UC would have been in. They ended up running away from Houston which was more than they needed.

I felt OSU needed a blowout. They were dominated for much of that game. Was a great game, but to struggle that much tells you all you need to know about where they were at.

ND OSU will be very interesting. Basically 5 vs 6 before CCG weekend.

Oklahoma State would have made the playoff.

If they had then been blown out in the semifinal, no one would have said a word. Just another domination by Alabama (or Georgia, if Georgia had won the SEC).

If the same happens to Cincinnati, the narrative will be be that all of the G5 doesn't belong for the eternity of time.

Yet if Cincinnati wins, it'll be the greatest upset of all time ahead of Douglas-Tyson or that Alabama underestimated the Bearcats or was a fraud despite their 6,317 national championships, 107 5-stars and gold-plated toilet seats in their locker rooms.

The double standard and moving goalposts would have been head-spinning.

(12-08-2021 08:19 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma State would have made the playoff.

If they had then been blown out in the semifinal, no one would have said a word. Just another domination by Alabama (or Georgia, if Georgia had won the SEC).

If the same happens to Cincinnati, the narrative will be be that all of the G5 doesn't belong for the eternity of time.

Yet if Cincinnati wins, it'll be the greatest upset of all time ahead of Douglas-Tyson or that Alabama underestimated the Bearcats or was a fraud despite their 6,317 national championships, 107 5-stars and gold-plated toilet seats in their locker rooms.

The double standard and moving goalposts would have been head-spinning.

Here is the answer.

No, only if Alabama would have lost

(12-08-2021 09:38 AM)Big Frog II Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the answer.

Yes, this is the answer from the bias G5 crowd here that always feels like they are treated like second class citizens. You will never make them happy.

I got so much flack when I had Oregon ahead of UC. That was obviously the wrong call in hindsight, but I never once had UC below OSU. Frankly, I'm shocked how much respect OSU is getting. Sure, the defense turned it around, but the fact is, they looked awful against an undermanned Baylor team last weekend and sloppy at home in Bedlam. Pokies just weren't a playoff team compared to UC.