Duke and David Cutcliffe have reached "a mutual agreement for separation."
Sad ending to what, up until last couple years, was pretty much the best era Duke football has ever had.
Stewart Mandell is an absolute dumb ass.
Wallace Wade Era 1931 to 1950 110-36-7 - 6 Conference Titles, 2 Rose Bowls
Bill Murray Era 1951 to 1964 93-51-9 - 7 Conference Titles, 2 Orange Bowls, 1 Cotton Bowl
Spurrier Years - 20-13-1 - 1 Conference Title
Do your homework Stu.
(11-28-2021 07:31 PM)Statefan Wrote: [ -> ]Duke and David Cutcliffe have reached "a mutual agreement for separation."
Sad ending to what, up until last couple years, was pretty much the best era Duke football has ever had.
Stewart Mandell is an absolute dumb ass.
Wallace Wade Era 1931 to 1950 110-36-7 - 6 Conference Titles, 2 Rose Bowls
Bill Murray Era 1951 to 1964 93-51-9 - 7 Conference Titles, 2 Orange Bowls, 1 Cotton Bowl
Spurrier Years - 20-13-1 - 1 Conference Title
Do your homework Stu.
“Ever” is a long time. Duke was one of the top programs in the country in the 1930s and early 1940s. Remember the 1942 Rose Bowl was held in Durham. Duke was quite respectable in the 1950s. Since then, of course, it’s mostly been pretty bad.
Duke was as good as it wanted to be until football was de-emphasized in 1963.
That's the problem today, despite having the money to compete in the top 20 Duke simply will not recruit the football players necessary because they can hide 5-7 basketball misanthropes, but they can not hide 35-40 football misanthropes and with NC State and UNC-Ch folk overlapping Durham there are just too many outside eyes and Duke is about image first and foremost.
The ACC would be better if Duke football was FCS or something like that.
Just hire the Kennesaw coach and run the option. Got a guarantee victory over GaTech every season.
The past few weeks it really looked like Cutcliffe wasn't having any fun. He looked tired and discouraged. Duke football will do that to just about any coach, which is going to make finding another Cutcliffe very difficult and finding another Spurrier nearly impossible.
(11-29-2021 05:24 AM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]Just hire the Kennesaw coach and run the option. Got a guarantee victory over GaTech every season.
Somebody didn't watch week 2.
(11-28-2021 09:21 PM)Statefan Wrote: [ -> ]Duke was as good as it wanted to be until football was de-emphasized in 1963.
That's the problem today, despite having the money to compete in the top 20 Duke simply will not recruit the football players necessary because they can hide 5-7 basketball misanthropes, but they can not hide 35-40 football misanthropes and with NC State and UNC-Ch folk overlapping Durham there are just too many outside eyes and Duke is about image first and foremost.
The ACC would be better if Duke football was FCS or something like that.
Duke football made more money last year than Duke basketball. And yet Duke still doesn't seem to get it.
(11-29-2021 01:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 09:21 PM)Statefan Wrote: [ -> ]Duke was as good as it wanted to be until football was de-emphasized in 1963.
That's the problem today, despite having the money to compete in the top 20 Duke simply will not recruit the football players necessary because they can hide 5-7 basketball misanthropes, but they can not hide 35-40 football misanthropes and with NC State and UNC-Ch folk overlapping Durham there are just too many outside eyes and Duke is about image first and foremost.
The ACC would be better if Duke football was FCS or something like that.
Duke football made more money last year than Duke basketball. And yet Duke still doesn't seem to get it.
Duke MBB: $$
Duke CFB: $$$
Duke Med: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
They just don't care about sports. Basketball is a nice infomercial.
(11-29-2021 01:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021 01:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 09:21 PM)Statefan Wrote: [ -> ]Duke was as good as it wanted to be until football was de-emphasized in 1963.
That's the problem today, despite having the money to compete in the top 20 Duke simply will not recruit the football players necessary because they can hide 5-7 basketball misanthropes, but they can not hide 35-40 football misanthropes and with NC State and UNC-Ch folk overlapping Durham there are just too many outside eyes and Duke is about image first and foremost.
The ACC would be better if Duke football was FCS or something like that.
Duke football made more money last year than Duke basketball. And yet Duke still doesn't seem to get it.
Duke MBB: $$
Duke CFB: $$$
Duke Med: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
They just don't care about sports. Basketball is a nice infomercial.
Take it from someone whose spouse worked at Duke Med, MBB is the face they show to the United States. It is integral to what Duke is marketing. Also the Hospital and the U are "wink-wink" separate.
Duke football only made $12 million last year. Basketball made $17 million.
Gross and net seems to matter everywhere else on the planet except here.
Duke brought in about 40M in football and $36 in basketball - Duke spent $28 million on football and $19 million on Basketball of which about $8 million is K's salary.
Real money - the kind you have after expenses are made by the Duke mens' basketball team. Every bit of net in football is due to proximity of UNC, VT, and UVa and the conference television contract.
The ACC is paying Duke almost $25 million a year to play football. That's stupid.
(11-29-2021 01:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Statefan' pid='17900793' dateline='1638152471']
Duke football made more money last year than Duke basketball. And yet Duke still doesn't seem to get it.
Which shows how little you know about Duke’s athletic department. You have to make contributions of $8,000 and up in order to buy two season tickets to Cameron and vastly more to improve your seats. Not to mention that each season ticket at Duke is almost $2,000 itself. MBB pays the bills at Duke. There’s no other college athletic department whose economics are anything like Duke’s. This is a strength but could turn into a catastrophe if Scheyer doesn’t work out.
(11-29-2021 05:51 PM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021 01:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Statefan' pid='17900793' dateline='1638152471']
Duke football made more money last year than Duke basketball. And yet Duke still doesn't seem to get it.
Which shows how little you know about Duke’s athletic department. You have to make contributions of $8,000 and up in order to buy two season tickets to Cameron and vastly more to improve your seats. Not to mention that each season ticket at Duke is almost $2,000 itself. MBB pays the bills at Duke. There’s no other college athletic department whose economics are anything like Duke’s. This is a strength but could turn into a catastrophe if Scheyer doesn’t work out.
Scheyer don't remind me of Bucky Waters. You have had just one unsuccessful basketball coach in the last 80 years. People act like K is the first successful Duke coach. He's not. Moreover the Duke booster network is the most sophisticated in the ACC when it comes to targeting a kid and his family and getting him into Duke. To go out of Duke except to the NBA a Duke basketball player has to kill someone on television. It's the most secure cocoon in America. Scheyer will be just fine.
(11-29-2021 05:51 PM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2021 01:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]Duke football made more money last year than Duke basketball. And yet Duke still doesn't seem to get it.
Which shows how little you know about Duke’s athletic department. You have to make contributions of $8,000 and up in order to buy two season tickets to Cameron and vastly more to improve your seats. Not to mention that each season ticket at Duke is almost $2,000 itself. MBB pays the bills at Duke. There’s no other college athletic department whose economics are anything like Duke’s. This is a strength but could turn into a catastrophe if Scheyer doesn’t work out.
https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootba...utType=amp
Quote:#53 Duke $39.7 million (-2)
Rivaling Kentucky, Indiana and Kansas, this is the arguably most severe example of basketball overshadowing football. And so, it provides a window into just how much more important football is fiscally to college athletics. David Cutcliffe’s Devils went 5-7 (3-6 ACC) and yet the football program still cleared more profit ($14.5M) than Mike Krzyzewski’s basketball behemoth ($13.4M) which grossed among the most of all college hoops programs in the nation ($33.4M!)
I am so tired of people with no ******* memory.
Eddie Cameron (remember that name)
226-99
1928-1944
3 SoCon Titles, 3 first place finishes
Gerrard (a forgotten man)
67-34
1945-1950
1 SoCon Title, 1 first place finish
Harold Bradley
166-78
1951-1959
2 SoCon Titles (Could not overcome NC State during this period)
Vic Bubas (NC State's assistant coach - Duke buys what it needs)
1959-1969
213-67 4 ACC Titles (One stolen by NC State during the 10-12 ACC Tourney game)
2 Final Fours
Now pay attention folks. Bubas decides he want's to be a conference commissioner in part because Duke is not really paying him his worth, and while Duke is embroiled in racial strife, Vietnam strife, and has already deemphasized football so as not to have to recruit black football players, the university is caught by the faculty toying with Adolph Rupp and the ensuring firestorm ends with military style guy Bucky Waters and so begins Duke's ONLY DOWN PERIOD in the last 80 years.
Duke has had the most consistent basketball program in the SoCon/ACC for 90 years. For the first 60 years of that they shared that perch with NC State and UNC-Ch. Then NC State committed ritual suicide and it's been a two school deal for the last 30 years.
This is what the ACC needs in regards to Duke football - create the Atlantic Colonial Conference:
School - Stadium Size - Location
Holy Cross - 23K - Mass
Army - 38K - NY
Villanova - 14K - Pa
Navy - 34K - MD
VMI - 10K - Western Va
William and Mary - 14K - Southeastern Va
Duke - 39K - NC
I think there is a rough football parity here and the only game played would be football - they stay in the conferences otherwise.
Duke plays Army/Navy/VMI/Villanova/HC/Bill and Mary as well as annual games with UNC/GT/Wake Forest and rotates biannually with NC State and UVa. That leaves 2 more games.
Navy for instance would play Army/VMI/Duke/Villanova/HC/Bill and Mary as well as annual games with ND and Air Force. That leaves them 4 additional games.
Any Duke win over a P-5 would be hailed like Apps win over Michigan.
Duke will be fine if they follow the academies and run the option. No brainer.
(11-29-2021 07:21 PM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]Duke will be fine if they follow the academies and run the option. No brainer.
Make sure you keep your Coastal patsy.
It wouldn’t be hard to build Duke into a consistent bowl team.
(11-29-2021 08:12 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ]It wouldn’t be hard to build Duke into a consistent bowl team.
4 patsies OOC and 2 wins in the Coastal is doable.