Doing a post with all the announcements-
Dec 17-
noon Bahamas- Toledo(MAC) vs Middle Tennessee(C-USA)
6pm Cure-Coastal Carolina(SBC) vs Northern Illinois(MAC)
Dec 18-
11am Boca Raton- Appalachian St(SBC) vs Western Kentucky(C-USA)
215pm New Mexico-Fresno St(MWC) vs UTEP(C-USA)
330pm Independence-BYU(Ind) vs UAB(C-USA)
545pm Lending Tree- Liberty(Ind) vs Eastern Michigan(MAC)
730pm Jimmy Kimmel LA- Utah St(MWC) vs Oregon St(Pac 12)
915pm New Orleans- Marshall(CUSA) vs Louisiana(SBC)
Dec 20-
230pm Myrtle Beach- Tulsa(AAC) vs Old Dominion(C-USA)
Dec 21-
330pm Famous Potato- Kent St(MAC) vs Wyoming(MWC)
730pm Frisco-UTSA(C-USA) vs San Diego St(MWC)
Dec 22-
8pm Armed Forces- Army(Ind) vs Missouri(SEC)
Dec 23-
330pm Frisco Football-Miami Oh(MAC) vs North Texas(CUSA)
7pm Gasparilla Florida(SEC) vs UCF(AAC)
Dec 24-
8pm Hawaii- Memphis(AAC) @ Hawaii(MWC)
Dec 25-
230pm Camellia-Ball St(MAC) vs Georgia St(SBC)
Dec 27-
11am Quick Lane-Western Michigan(MAC)vs Nevada(MWC)
230pm Military- East Carolina (AAC) vs Boston College (ACC)
Dec 28-
noon Brmingham-Houston(AAC) vs Auburn(SEC)
315pm First Responder- Air Force(MWC) vs Louisville(ACC)
645pm Liberty-Texas Tech(Big 12) vs Miss St(SEC)
8pm Holiday-NC State(ACC) vs UCLA(Pac 12)
1015pm Guaranteed Rate-West Virginia(Big 12) vs Minnesota(Big Ten)
Dec 29-
11am Fenway-SMU(AAC) vs Virginia(ACC)
215pm Pinstripe-Va Tech(ACC) vs Maryland(Big Ten)
545pm-Cheez-it Iowa St(Big 12) vs Clemson(ACC)
915pm-Alamo Oregon(Pac 12) vs Oklahoma(Big 12)
Dec 30-
1130am Duke's Mayo North Carolina(ACC) vs South Carolina(SEC)
3pm Music City Tennessee(SEC) vs Purdue(Big Ten)
7pm Peach Michigan St(Big Ten) vs Pitt(ACC)
1030pm Las Vegas Wisconsin(Big Ten) vs Arizona St(Pac 12)
Dec 31-
11am Gator Wake Forest(ACC) vs Texas A&M(SEC)
noon Sun Wash St(Pac 12) vs Miami(ACC)
2pm Arizona Boise St(MWC) vs Central Michigan(MAC)
330pm Cotton Cincinnati(AAC) vs Alabama(SEC)
730pm Orange Georgia(SEC) vs Michigan(Big Ten)
Jan 1-
noon Outback Arkansas(SEC) vs Penn St(Big Ten)
1pm Fiesta Notre Dame(ind) vs Oklahoma St(Big 12)
1pm Citrus Kentucky(SEC) vs Iowa(Big Ten)
5pm Rose Utah(Pac 12) vs Ohio St(Big Ten)
845pm Sugar Baylor(Big 12) vs Ole Miss(SEC)
Jan 4-
9pm Texas Kansas St(Big 12) vs LSU(SEC)
Jan 10-
8pm CFP Championship Game
How do the MAC and C-USA get the Bahamas Bowl? Can the Big Ten trade Phoenix for the Bahamas? I know we should trade Detroit but at least it's in our backyard. The Bahamas isn't that further away from Chicago. Actually, the ACC should take the Bahamas. They're about an hour flight from Miami. They'd rather go to El Paso????
(11-28-2021 12:26 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]How do the MAC and C-USA get the Bahamas Bowl? Can the Big Ten trade Phoenix for the Bahamas? I know we should trade Detroit but at least it's in our backyard. The Bahamas isn't that further away from Chicago. Actually, the ACC should take the Bahamas. They're about an hour flight from Miami. They'd rather go to El Paso????
I agree! Never has made sense to me that some of the most appealing destinations are lower-tier bowl games. Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff, for one it would be nice to get at least one SEC-PAC 12 bowl game each year.
(11-28-2021 12:26 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]How do the MAC and C-USA get the Bahamas Bowl? Can the Big Ten trade Phoenix for the Bahamas? I know we should trade Detroit but at least it's in our backyard. The Bahamas isn't that further away from Chicago. Actually, the ACC should take the Bahamas. They're about an hour flight from Miami. They'd rather go to El Paso????
Uh, the Sun Bowl is a historical classic bowl game & the Bahamas only seats like 15,000 people.
And the other poster, Myrtle Beach only seats 20,000 people.
(11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]I agree! Never has made sense to me that some of the most appealing destinations are lower-tier bowl games. Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff, for one it would be nice to get at least one SEC-PAC 12 bowl game each year.
Las Vegas Bowl every other year. This year the Big 10 gets it but next year it will be the SEC's turn.
(11-28-2021 12:26 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]How do the MAC and C-USA get the Bahamas Bowl? Can the Big Ten trade Phoenix for the Bahamas? I know we should trade Detroit but at least it's in our backyard. The Bahamas isn't that further away from Chicago. Actually, the ACC should take the Bahamas. They're about an hour flight from Miami. They'd rather go to El Paso????
We'd gladly take the Detroit Bowl back that you stole from us because it was a well attended bowl.
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(11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 12:26 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]How do the MAC and C-USA get the Bahamas Bowl? Can the Big Ten trade Phoenix for the Bahamas? I know we should trade Detroit but at least it's in our backyard. The Bahamas isn't that further away from Chicago. Actually, the ACC should take the Bahamas. They're about an hour flight from Miami. They'd rather go to El Paso????
I agree! Never has made sense to me that some of the most appealing destinations are lower-tier bowl games. Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff, for one it would be nice to get at least one SEC-PAC 12 bowl game each year.
Payouts.
(11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff
That’s an interesting point — if there’s a 12-team playoff, it changes the value of every non-playoff bowl contract.
(11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 12:26 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]How do the MAC and C-USA get the Bahamas Bowl? Can the Big Ten trade Phoenix for the Bahamas? I know we should trade Detroit but at least it's in our backyard. The Bahamas isn't that further away from Chicago. Actually, the ACC should take the Bahamas. They're about an hour flight from Miami. They'd rather go to El Paso????
I agree! Never has made sense to me that some of the most appealing destinations are lower-tier bowl games. Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff, for one it would be nice to get at least one SEC-PAC 12 bowl game each year.
The stadium the Bahamas Bowl is played in only seats maybe 10K and it’s payout is tiny—that’s why you don’t see them affiliating with bigger name conferences
I actually think there should be only 8 teams in the playoffs and each p5 conference get 1 in and 2 wild cards and 1 g5 pick. P5S wouldn't go for that. No g5 should ever get in. I do not believe it will change when they get to 12or 16 or even 32. It is rigged and always will be rigged. But if you did it my way, winning your conference would mean something and you would give the g5's a pathway, which if you play, that is what you want. My way- Pitt, Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Alabama, another wild card, [/align]and Cincinnati. Fair
(11-28-2021 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff
That’s an interesting point — if there’s a 12-team playoff, it changes the value of every non-playoff bowl contract.
Nothing changes if you're not a New Years' Six Bowl.
Possibilities:
1. 4 QF bowls, the Fiesta/Cotton and Peach can go kick rocks (and/or take the losers of the first-round games). I'm not sure this can happen in the current contract, because the Peach and the loser of the Fiesta/Cotton dogfight will block the new system.
2. The 4 QFs rotate among the 6 New Years Six Bowls, with or without the first-round playoff losers.
Either setup, the Citrus gets the top Big Ten and SEC picks not in the 12-team "big boy postseason", the Big 12 probably sends their top non-CFP/NY6 pick to the Alamo Bowl, etc.
The 12 team playoff doesn't really change anything for the Music City Bowl or the Bahamas Bowl or the Alamo Bowl or the Sun Bowl or the Tampa or Charlotte or Gator or Liberty Bowls.
That's not to say that nothing will change. But except for the New Years Six bowls, it's not the new playoff system that's going to drive the changes.
Congrats to ECU.
And with MTSU getting an invite, it really starts to look like Wyoming may be the one left out.
(11-28-2021 01:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]Congrats to ECU.
And with MTSU getting an invite, it really starts to look like Wyoming may be the one left out.
Wyoming would have never been considered for that bowl. It CUSA vs MAC
(11-28-2021 01:29 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff
That’s an interesting point — if there’s a 12-team playoff, it changes the value of every non-playoff bowl contract.
Nothing changes if you're not a New Years' Six Bowl.
You are assuming that at least 4 of those 6 bowl games will be protected by a 12-team playoff. That may or may not turn out to be correct, but I am not making that assumption.
While it seems likely that the 6 bowls can prevent the loss of their own status during the life of the current contract, a playoff could easily be set up like this…
Until current CFP contracts expire:
- Each of the 6 bowls gets one game in the 12-team playoff.
After current CFP contracts expire:
- Games prior to quarterfinals are played at the home stadium of the higher seed
- Quarterfinals are either at site of higher seed or at neutral sites selected by competitive bidding (as with the current CFP final and March Madness sites)
- Semifinals and final at neutral sites selected by competitive bidding.
(11-28-2021 01:29 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff
That’s an interesting point — if there’s a 12-team playoff, it changes the value of every non-playoff bowl contract.
Nothing changes if you're not a New Years' Six Bowl.
Possibilities:
1. 4 QF bowls, the Fiesta/Cotton and Peach can go kick rocks (and/or take the losers of the first-round games). I'm not sure this can happen in the current contract, because the Peach and the loser of the Fiesta/Cotton dogfight will block the new system.
2. The 4 QFs rotate among the 6 New Years Six Bowls, with or without the first-round playoff losers.
Either setup, the Citrus gets the top Big Ten and SEC picks not in the 12-team "big boy postseason", the Big 12 probably sends their top non-CFP/NY6 pick to the Alamo Bowl, etc.
The 12 team playoff doesn't really change anything for the Music City Bowl or the Bahamas Bowl or the Alamo Bowl or the Sun Bowl or the Tampa or Charlotte or Gator or Liberty Bowls.
That's not to say that nothing will change. But except for the New Years Six bowls, it's not the new playoff system that's going to drive the changes.
1st Round - Home sites with Las Vegas Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Gator Bowl, Citrus Bowl as consolation NY12 bowl games. CFB Playoff 13-16 will play some of these losing teams.
QF/Semi-Finals - rotating NY6 Bowls + Rose Bowl as Semi-Final every year
Final - rotating like always
(11-28-2021 02:03 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 01:29 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 01:12 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff
That’s an interesting point — if there’s a 12-team playoff, it changes the value of every non-playoff bowl contract.
Nothing changes if you're not a New Years' Six Bowl.
You are assuming that at least 4 of those 6 bowl games will be protected by a 12-team playoff. That may or may not turn out to be correct, but I am not making that assumption.
While it seems likely that the 6 bowls can prevent the loss of their own status during the life of the current contract, a playoff could easily be set up like this…
Until current CFP contracts expire:
- Each of the 6 bowls gets one game in the 12-team playoff.
After current CFP contracts expire:
- Games prior to quarterfinals are played at the home stadium of the higher seed
- Quarterfinals are either at site of higher seed or at neutral sites selected by competitive bidding (as with the current CFP final and March Madness sites)
- Semifinals and final at neutral sites selected by competitive bidding.
You could use the NY6 for semifinals, quarter-final losers, and first-round losers.
This bowl announcements thread has turned into fantasy playoff talk.
(11-28-2021 12:32 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2021 12:31 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]I agree! Never has made sense to me that some of the most appealing destinations are lower-tier bowl games. Hoping the system will change a lot after the expanded playoff, for one it would be nice to get at least one SEC-PAC 12 bowl game each year.
Las Vegas Bowl every other year. This year the Big 10 gets it but next year it will be the SEC's turn.
Ah you're right, I had read about that but always forget it since the SEC hasn't actually had their turn yet (we would have in 2020 if not for Covid). I did look back and there was an SEC team in the Vegas Bowl once, in 2000 UNLV beat Arkansas 31-14 but I'm sure the tie-ins were very different that far back. An annual bowl game against a Mountain West team would be nice to have too.