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CONFERENCE RANKINGS:


SPECIAL NOTE (!): The WCC is currently ranked as the #6th-ranked conference according to barttorvik.com, which has the AAC ranked 9th.

However, the Massey Composite and the WarrenNolan.com NET rankings have the AAC ranked 7th and the WCC 8th.

Thus, the average of Massey, WarrenNolan.com NET, and Torvik has the AAC in 8th place currently, close behind the WCC.

.........MasseyComp...NET.....Torvik....Average:
Big 12.......1...............3..........1.........1.67 (#1 tie)
Big 10.......2...............1..........2.........1.67 (#1 tie)
SEC..........3...............2...........3.........2.67 (#3)
BEC..........4...............4..........5.........4.33 (#4)
ACC..........5...............5..........4..........4.67 (#5)
PAC..........6...............6..........7..........6.33 (#6)
WCC.........8...............8..........6..........7.33 (#7)
AAC..........7...............7..........9..........7.67 (#8)
MWC.........9..............12.........8..........9.67 (#9 tie)
A10.........10...............9........10..........9.67 (#9 tie)
SoCon......11.............10........12.........11.0 (#11)
MVC........13..............11........11.........11.7 (#12)
CUSA.......12.............14........16.........14.0 (13)

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These are the top 50 non-P5 teams, according to either the Massey Composite or kenpom.com, as well as their NET rankings and currently projected NCAA tournament seedings according to the bracketologies listed at bracketmatrix.com.

.........................massey.................bracket
...........kenpom..composite...NET.......matrix

Gonzaga.....1............1...........1.......1 seed (WCC)
Houston...5.............6..........5........4 seed (AAC)
Villanova.....7...........11.........11.......2 seed (BEC)
UConn.......20..........14.........33........6 seed (BEC)
BYU...........22..........15.........16......10 seed (WCC)
Memphis..28..........17.........35.......4 seed (AAC)
Loyola-IL....30..........35........10.......12 seed (MVC)
St. Mary's...33.........47.........60.......11 seed (?) (WCC)
Xavier.........34.........29.........62........8 seed (BEC)
Seton Hall...35.........27.........57.......11 seed (BEC)
San Fran.....36........41........104.......11 seed (?) (WCC)
St. Bona.....37.........38.........31........6 seed (A10)
SDSU.........42.........56.........26.......10 seed (MWC)
Colo. St......52.........46.........63.......10 seed (MWC)
Utah St......58.........42.........47........11 seed(?) (MWC)
WichitaSt..56........53.........70........11 seed(?) (AAC)
UAB...........51.........57.........83........12 seed (CUSA)
Providence..66.........43.........87........11 seed(?) (BEC)

By conference:

AAC: 3 teams
A10: 1 team
Big East: 5 teams
CUSA: 1 team
MVC: 1 team
MWC: 3 teams
WCC: 4 teams

(?) indicates that a team was seeded in some, but not all bracketologies.
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links:

http://www.kenpom.com/
https://masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...kings/net/
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
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Some/many of these teams would probably get NIT bids, based on their current rankings, depending on how many P5/BEC teams end up in the NIT field.

Those that don't would probably be invited to play in the CBI.


.........................massey...................bracket
...........kenpom..composite...NET.........matrix

UCF.......53.........72.........103.......11 seed(?) (AAC)
St. John's...55.........66..........69........11 seed......(BEC)
Drake........57.........75..........43.........11 seed(?) (MVC)
Missouri St..62.......103..........97.........11 seed(?) (MVC)
Belmont.....65.........55..........92.........12 seed....(OVC)
Boise St.....68.........74..........53.........no seed.....(MWC)
Nevada.......70.........97........101........11 seed(?) (MWC)
S. Dak St....71.........65.........115.......13 seed (Summitt)
Richmond...74.........96..........61........11 seed......(A10)
Cincinnati.76.........52........121........10 seed(?) (AAC)
Creighton...78.........81..........27..........9 seed(?).(BEC)
Rhode Isl....79.........82........112.........no seed....(A10)
Davidson....81.........77..........77.........12 seed(?) (A10)
Buffalo.......82.........92..........86.........12 seed....(MAC)
Marquette...83.........59..........93........12 seed(?) (BEC)
Santa Clara.85.........68........131.......no seed.....(WCC)
St. Louis.....91..........58.........52.........no seed....(A10)
VCU............94.........79.........42.........10 seed(?) (A10)
UC Irvine....90.........58........102........14 seed(?) (BWC)
UCSB........108.......103.........48.........13 seed.....(BWC)
SMU.........89.......125........59.........no seed....(AAC)
Butler..........87.......112........124........10 seed(?) (BEC)
Murray St....95.........87........198........12 seed(?) (OVC)
Weber ST.....96.........80........111........15 seed(?) (BSKY)
LTU.............97.......120.........71.........12 seed(?) (CUSA)
Ohio...........99.........78..........88........13 seed(?) (MAC)
LoyMarym..104.......124.........95.........no seed....(WCC)
DePaul.......107........67........167.........no seed....(BEC)
Georgetwn.103.......107.........72.........11 seed(?) (BEC)
Liberty..................................85........13 seed....(ASUN)
NMSU.................................164........13 seed....(WAC)
Furman.....109.........90..........80........14 seed (Southern)
Wright St..............................75.........14 seed (Horizon)
Vermont....101.......108........116........14 seed (America E.)
Colgate.....126.......105..........30.........14 seed (Patriot)
GA St..................................130........15 seed....(SBC)
Iona....................................141.......15 seed (Metro Atl.)
S. Utah................................122.......15 seed (Big Sky)
Yale..................................................15 seed....(Ivy)
Northeastn........................................16 seed (Colonial)
Winthrop...........................................16 seed (Big South)
Nicholls St.........................................16 seed (Southland)
Bryant..............................................16 seed (Northeast)
Morgan St.........................................16 seed (Mid-Eastern)
Texas So...........................................16 seed (SWAC)

NOTE:

• On average (2015-2019), 11.8 of the 32 total NIT teams have been automatic qualifiers (teams with best regular season conference record that didn't win conference tournaments).
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• The P5 conferences had an average of 10.6 NIT teams per year between 2014 and 2019. 70% (22.4/32) of the NIT teams between 2015 and 2019 were either P5 at-large teams or automatic qualifiers.
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• 30% (9.6/32) of the NIT teams between 2015 and 2019 were at-large teams from non-P5 conferences.
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• The AAC has had an average of 1.4 NIT teams per year in the NIT between 2015 and 2019, and an average of 1.43 teams per year between 2014 & 2021.
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• The Big East had an average of 1 NIT team per year in the NIT between 2015 and 2019, due to having declined a number of invitations (e.g., 3 teams declined 2021 NIT bids).
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• An average of 7.2 at-large bids per year (2014-19) went to teams from conferences other than the AAC or Big East.
  

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Thanks, but AAC schools do not measure themselves against the “G-5”.

(11-26-2021 08:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks, but AAC schools do not measure themselves against the “G-5”.

With Memphis, Cincy, Houston, Wichita, Temple this league should never be compared to the mid majors/g5. Unfortunately we never had all our big programs clicking at once and were constantly a 2-3 bid league

I miss the multi-colored fonts.

I think the term you are looking for is Mid-Major. The AAC is not a mid major at this time. AAC 2.0 however...

Ton of Bias still in the computers.

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Focusing on the AAC, in particular

.........................massey.................bracket
...........kenpom..composite...NET.......matrix

..................................................................................probable NCAA teams:

Houston....5............6..........5.........4 seed (AAC)

Memphis..28..........14.........35.......4 seed (AAC)

.....................................................................................possible NIT teams:

UAB...........49.........63.........83........12 seed (CUSA) (future AAC team)

UCF..........53........61........103........11 seed(?) (AAC)

WichitaSt..56........47.........70.......11 seed(?) (AAC)

Cincinnati.76..........56......121......10 seed(?) (AAC)

SMU.........83.......130........59.........no seed....(AAC)


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Without UC, UH, & UCF, it would appear to be a 1-bid conference:

..................................................................................probable NCAA teams:


Memphis..28..........14.........35.........4 seed (AAC)

.....................................................................................possible NIT teams:

UAB.........49.........63.........83........12 seed (CUSA) (future AAC team)

WichitaSt..56.........47.........70........11 seed(?) (AAC)

SMU.........83.......130.........59.........no seed....(AAC)

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note: the first and last posts are updated.

Isn't it way too early to be looking at NET? Doesn't NET take into account previous year data this early?

(11-29-2021 11:56 AM)sfink16 Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't it way too early to be looking at NET? Doesn't NET take into account previous year data this early?

It's early, but still of some interest, so I put it over in the 3rd column. It's debatable whether any other rankings would make more sense for column #3.

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I'm more concerned about the fact that only 10 non-P5 teams are currently projected as probable 1-10 seeds. That's how many non-P5 teams there were last year - - but that was the least in NCAA history!

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SPECIAL NOTE (!): The WCC is currently ranked as the #6th-ranked conference according to barttorvik.com, which has the AAC ranked 9th.

However, the Massey Composite and the WarrenNolan.com NET rankings have the AAC ranked 7th and the WCC 8th.

As a result, the average of Massey, WarrenNolan.com NET, and Torvik has the AAC in 8th place currently, close behind the WCC.

.........MasseyComp...NET.....Torvik....Average:
Big 12.......1...............3..........1.........1.67 (#1 tie)
Big 10.......2...............1..........2.........1.67 (#1 tie)
SEC..........3...............2...........3.........2.67 (#3)
BEC..........4...............4..........5.........4.33 (#4)
ACC..........5...............5..........4..........4.67 (#5)
PAC..........6...............6..........7..........6.33 (#6)
WCC.........8...............8..........6..........7.33 (#7)
AAC..........7...............7..........9..........7.67 (#8)
MWC.........9..............12.........8..........9.67 (#9 tie)
A10.........10...............9........10..........9.67 (#9 tie)
SoCon......11.............10........12.........11.0 (#11)
MVC........13..............11........11.........11.7 (#12)
CUSA.......12.............14........16.........14.0 (13)

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It would be very helpful to the AAC to remain the #7 MBB conference, as it has been for most of its existence.

What's dragging the conference down is best summarized by noting the fact that there are only two AAC teams in the top 50 and only five AAC teams in the top 100 of the Massey Composite. Thus, less than half of the teams in the conference are in the top 100, for the first time in years.

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(11-26-2021 10:32 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I miss the multi-colored fonts.

Was thinking the same thing

Nice post epperman

(11-30-2021 09:23 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2021 10:32 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I miss the multi-colored fonts.

Was thinking the same thing

Is this what you are talking about? If not, I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

(11-30-2021 09:50 PM)JHG722 Wrote: [ -> ]Nice post epperman

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

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https://247sports.com/college/temple/boa...76/?page=2

Gabbi posted a link: "Temple has let go Rod Carey." on Nov 29th, 9:15 AM

TUA01576 Wrote (in response): "Praise the lord." on Nov 29th, 9:17 AM,


Gabbi Posted "I think Art Johnson and BOT has more to do with the decision than Jehovah :)" on Nov 29th, 9:18 AM,

Zinky (in response to TUA01576): "As an Atheist, I like this." Nov 29th, 9:49 AM


clawdius posted: "Me. too, but I'll consider this a Hanukkah present as I share this with my kids and grandkids tonight at our Hanukkah(masks on) get together. They have Michigan and MSU success, I'll have a new coach. Don't like seeing anyone lose their job, but can't feel too bad for multi-millionaires. Happy Hanukkah/Christmas/Kwanzaa/other/none to all fellow TU sports diehards."


JHG722 posted (in response to Clawdius):

"Please take your mask off. "

Nov 29th, 11:41 AM -2 downvotes-2

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JGH722 Wrote (in response to Zinky): "You would, zinky"

Posted on Nov 29th, 12:02 PM,-1 downvotes-1


Zinky wrote (in response to JGH722):

"You left the building because I downvoted you a bunch of times as I didn't agree with what you were stating. Now you're back. I downvoted your post on mask wearing at a fellow Owls' fan family gathering. And you got bent because of that? Whoa... You're a scary person. I hope to never actually meet you."

Posted on Nov 29th, 12:37 PM,

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clawdius wrote: "Thank you, Zinky. I appreciate you. Just Ignored JHG. Thought I did before. ". Posted on Nov 29th, 2:51 PM,

https://247sports.com/college/temple/boa...76/?page=3


JHG722 wrote:

"I was suspended or banned or something. I didn't voluntarily go anywhere."

Posted on Nov 29th, 3:24 PM,

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ok epperman. how many accounts for you now? 6?

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No question about it. You went after two fans of your own team.

And it's obvious from their posts that they were nice guys, and were trying to ignore you, and said that you were frightening them.

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Went after LOL

God, you're so dramatic, epperman.

I didn't think the initial NCAA public NET ranking came out until sometime in December. Yeah they're not out yet, this is just people's estimation.