(12-06-2021 08:23 PM)memphisike Wrote: [ -> ]Ike believes jerry will trade Zeke for some decent picks, Ike believes this is a good move that'll be a win win for both teams.
Zeke has a couple of good years left, concerning his 90 million contract, how much was up front
Stephen Davis signed a 80 million contract with Redskins and was gone within a yr. Ike doesn't know what his up front money was but, IKE's sure he did alright, Al Hainesworth got 30 million up front and barley played another down for the skins or Patriots.
Listen to Ike the Dude knows what's happening, good information from the street
Dallas would give him away if they could. They are stuck with him.
I bet Urban Meyer in Jax would take him......
The Titans would rent him this year for "name your price".
Pollard was taught at a young age to look downfield and don't waste time moving laterally - move N and S.
He did this exceptionally well from the minute he stepped foot on campus.
Kudos to his HS coaches and likely his family for teaching him this.
(12-07-2021 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: [ -> ]Pollard was taught at a young age to look downfield and don't waste time moving laterally - move N and S.
He did this exceptionally well from the minute he stepped foot on campus.
Kudos to his HS coaches and likely his family for teaching him this.
I was laughing DURING the kick return. I knew he was going in a straight line as fast as he could, and I knew that the Saint that had the angle on him, was going to miss him.
(12-07-2021 01:50 AM)MvETigers Wrote: [ -> ]Zeke's lack of production is 100% injuries. Both his and the multiple ones on the OL. The OL has not had the same starting 5 in any 3 games in a row all season.
He overpaid for both Zeke and Dak. IF there was any sanity in football, position players especially QBs and RBs should know that their productivity completely relies upon a good OL. If you look around the league, there aren't many successful teams with bad OLs and not many bad teams with very good OLs.
As for trading him, chances are there are teams that would be interested. If you could replace an All-Pro RB with a 2nd rounder, every team would be doing it all the time. It can't be done, which is why there are a handful of dominant RBs. As much as I love Pollard, he would suffer immensely as the featured RB with nobody like Zeke to help carry the load.
If they think he is an All Pro RB then they are not looking to trade him. That was the Captain obvious elephant in the room point I was making.
Shopping him around means you don't think he is an AL PRO back anymore, and it screams that to the entire league. Which means no one is going to offer multiple high picks for him. You would have been hard pressed to find anyone willing to give up multiple high picks for him 3 years ago, much less now. Most teams assume they can get good RB production without burning a high pick.
There aren't many O lines in the NFL substantially better than the cowboys line. The chances of him being MORE productive on another team are really low.
Very few RB are taken in the first 15 picks of the draft anymore. 99% of the top backs are late 1st rounders or 2nd rounders. A lot of teams think they can get production from a 3rd or 4th rounder. GMs tend to devalue RB's in the draft compared to QB's, Pass rushers and DB's.
The top 4 leading rushers in the NFL right now were all 2nd round picks. The guy in 5th pace was a 3rd rounder.
Even Derrick Henry was a 2nd round pick.
Shopping him around implies a one sided transaction. Trades are often made when other teams contact a team and see if a player is available, not as much a team shopping players around to other teams seeing if they will bite.
You are acting like great players arent taken in the 1st round. In 2016 when Zeke was the only RB taken in the 1st round it's broken down like this: 2017 2 RBs, 2018 3 RBs, 2019 1 RB, 2020 1 RB, 2021 2 RBs.
(12-07-2021 02:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]If they think he is an All Pro RB then they are not looking to trade him. That was the Captain obvious elephant in the room point I was making.
Shopping him around means you don't think he is an AL PRO back anymore, and it screams that to the entire league. Which means no one is going to offer multiple high picks for him. You would have been hard pressed to find anyone willing to give up multiple high picks for him 3 years ago, much less now. Most teams assume they can get good RB production without burning a high pick.
There aren't many O lines in the NFL substantially better than the cowboys line. The chances of him being MORE productive on another team are really low.
Very few RB are taken in the first 15 picks of the draft anymore. 99% of the top backs are late 1st rounders or 2nd rounders. A lot of teams think they can get production from a 3rd or 4th rounder. GMs tend to devalue RB's in the draft compared to QB's, Pass rushers and DB's.
The top 4 leading rushers in the NFL right now were all 2nd round picks. The guy in 5th pace was a 3rd rounder.
Even Derrick Henry was a 2nd round pick.
Shopping him around implies a one sided transaction. Trades are often made when other teams contact a team and see if a player is available, not as much a team shopping players around to other teams seeing if they will bite.
You are acting like great players arent taken in the 1st round. In 2016 when Zeke was the only RB taken in the 1st round it's broken down like this: 2017 2 RBs, 2018 3 RBs, 2019 1 RB, 2020 1 RB, 2021 2 RBs.
The longer this discussion goes, the further away its drifts from the actual point.
This started with the suggestion that Dallas would trade Zeke for multiple high picks like the Herschel Walker trade.
THAT AIN'T HAPPENIN'
No one is going to give up multiple high picks for a 6th year back with a contract like that after an injury plagued year. I don't see any circumstance where they are looking to trade Elliott in the first place, its wild speculation at this point at best.
If we fantasize for a minute that they did want to trade him, they would never get multiple high picks like the Walker trade, which was how this whole discussion began.
Best case scenario they could get a mid or late 2nd rounder for him. Maybe a 6th or 7th rounder too.
But multiple 1st and 2nd rounds picks? There is ZERO chance and we have the last 15-20 full years of NFL trade precedent to know that.
Didn't feel like wasting the space copying my reply to ericsrevenge76
On your reply, I agree. They won't get anything close to a Hershel deal. You took your point a little too far, but I am guilty far more than I like to admit. I think the Cowboys would gladly listen to any decent offer, but I highly doubt he is being shopped, injury or not. He is still a top 10 back in the NFL, even facing injury with a beat up OL.
Pollard sat out practice today with a foot injury. Huge game against the Redskins this weekend in DC. Then they play again in 2 weeks in Dallas. A split would all but guarantee the Cowboys win the east. They’d be 2 up with 3 games to go.
(12-08-2021 10:17 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Pollard sat out practice today with a foot injury. Huge game against the Redskins this weekend in DC. Then they play again in 2 weeks in Dallas. A split would all but guarantee the Cowboys win the east. They’d be 2 up with 3 games to go.
Yeah this is a bit worrisome. They signed a RB today just in case.
I'm a little concerned about this weekends game because Washington's defense has been so strong the last 4 games, and even against good competition like Tampa.
The cowboys defense should be the strongest its been all year with Gregory, D Law and Parsons FINALLY on on the field together. At least against the pass they should be able to terrorize the QB and possibly force more turnovers.
They really need to get an early lead and set the tone early. If not it could be a struggle. With all these defenders returning and a 2nd straight game with all 3 WR back they should be able to do something. With the Pollards injury I just don't know what to expect from the run game. Washington is pretty stiff against the run.
If they lose I would think they are in some real trouble the rest of the way.
(12-08-2021 10:11 PM)MvETigers Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't feel like wasting the space copying my reply to ericsrevenge76
On your reply, I agree. They won't get anything close to a Hershel deal. You took your point a little too far, but I am guilty far more than I like to admit. I think the Cowboys would gladly listen to any decent offer, but I highly doubt he is being shopped, injury or not. He is still a top 10 back in the NFL, even facing injury with a beat up OL.
I don't think they have any interest in trading him right now either. He is still a real weapon when healthy that can pound a defense into submission. And as we talk about he does not have many negative runs, he often gets 2-3 yards even when the O line is not winning.
He also does not have a history of being injury prone, this is kinda unusual.
If my team gave up a first rounder for Ezekiel, I would not like it. I think he is a good RB, but you never know the shelf-life of a good RB. Only takes losing a half a step to turn into an average RB.
Revenge 76,
Ike thinks Zeke would bring a couple of twos and a three over a couple of drafts,
Remember Tony would be the featured back but, he would need a power back to take about 30 percent of the carries.
(12-09-2021 12:33 AM)memphisike Wrote: [ -> ]Revenge 76,
Ike thinks Zeke would bring a couple of twos and a three over a couple of drafts,
Remember Tony would be the featured back but, he would need a power back to take about 30 percent of the carries.
That's a far cry from the Herschel Walker trade.
Even 2 2nd round picks plus 2 3rds is an extremely high price for a 6th year RB. RB's have a very short life span compared to most positions.
NFL GMs and coaches put a tremendous premium on 2nd round picks in 2021. That wasn't really the case back in 1989. The value they place on rounds 1-3 are astronomically higher in modern times. There are multiple positions you expect to get a 4+ year starter in the 3rd round.
I say 4 because that is when they are eligible to become free agents after the 4th year, so the price tag goes up quite a bit for a good player.
Revenge 76,
Do u really think anybody would make a trade like that again, O wait Mike Ditka traded picks for Ricky Williams and then left the building and of course danny boy synder gave up 3 number ones for RGIII, so it's possibly to get some decent Dudes for Zeke
