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Does ANYONE actually believe TPTB will allow Cincinnati to get into the playoff?! There’s NO WAY IN HELL A G5 is allowed a shot at a championship!

Maybe.

Undefeated conference champion is in over Cincinnati from: ACC (Wake Forest), B1G (Iowa, Michigan, Michigan St), SEC (Georgia, Kentucky), XII (Oklahoma, Oklahoma St)
1-loss conference champion is in over Cincinnati from: B1G (above + Penn St), PAC (Arizona St, Oregon), SEC (above + Alabama, Mississippi), XII (above if lone loss is in Bedlam)

My guess would be the B1G and SEC are locks. The XII is third. The fourth spot is up for grabs between Cincinnati, Oregon, and a non-champion from the B1G or SEC.

(10-12-2021 01:33 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Does ANYONE actually believe TPTB will allow Cincinnati to get into the playoff?! There’s NO WAY IN HELL A G5 is allowed a shot at a championship!

I think they have a decent shot, but obviously they have to remain undefeated. After 6 weeks, only the SEC,, Big 12, ACC and Big 10 among P5 conferences are still capable of producing an undefeated champion.. The ACC's only hope is Wake Forest, so their chances appear slim..

The problem will be 1 loss power houses that could also be in the conversation..

If we ended up with an undefeated Georgia, Oklahoma, and Iowa, all 3 would be in.. An undefeated Wake Forest vs an undefeated Cincinnati would pose an interesting dynamic..

Wake is the ONLY P5 they get in ahead of!

(10-12-2021 01:33 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Does ANYONE actually believe TPTB will allow Cincinnati to get into the playoff?! There’s NO WAY IN HELL A G5 is allowed a shot at a championship!

Cincinnati really needs more Chaos to get to the playoffs. As the season plays out, other schools that will play in (and win) big games will jump them. What they need is to have almost all P5 schools to have 2 losses. There is a good chance that 1-loss P5 teams will jump them by the end of the year, especially if they are conference champions or named Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, etc.

They should be rooting for :
* Cincinnati to finish undefeated.
* Realistically, Georgia and Iowa aren't going to finish with 2 losses so they should root for them to finish undefeated. Georgia beating Alabama in the SEC championship game and Iowa beating Ohio State in the Big Ten title game. This will cause many other contenders - i.e. Alabama, Ohio State, etc. to finish with multiple losses.
* PAC/ACC/Big XII teams to finish with two losses.
* Chaos in the Big Ten East. Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Ohio State beating each other up. Indiana rising up and showing some life knocking off a few of those teams would help a lot too. They are BIG Indiana fans right now.
* Notre Dame finishing with one loss or preferably a second loss to a really good team. One loss Notre Dame shouldn't jump Cincinnati, but you never know.

(10-12-2021 01:40 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe.

Undefeated conference champion is in over Cincinnati from: ACC (Wake Forest), B1G (Iowa, Michigan, Michigan St), SEC (Georgia, Kentucky), XII (Oklahoma, Oklahoma St)
1-loss conference champion is in over Cincinnati from: B1G (above + Penn St), PAC (Arizona St, Oregon), SEC (above + Alabama, Mississippi), XII (above if lone loss is in Bedlam)

My guess would be the B1G and SEC are locks. The XII is third. The fourth spot is up for grabs between Cincinnati, Oregon, and a non-champion from the B1G or SEC.

I wouldn't say the Big 12 is a lock by any stretch of the imagination. Texas could easily win out and they control their own destiny for conference title, but 2 loss Texas wouldn't get in over undefeated Cincy. And 1 loss Oklahoma non champion doesn't get in over Cincy either IMO.

What would happen if SMU beat Cincinnati, not once, but twice? They play late in the year, then they could play again in the conference championship game. If SMU remained undefeated knocking off Cincinnati twice, would they get any of the same playoff consideration?

(10-12-2021 02:38 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]What would happen if SMU beat Cincinnati, not once, but twice? They play late in the year, then they could play again in the conference championship game. If SMU remained undefeated knocking off Cincinnati twice, would they get any of the same playoff consideration?

Probably not because they would not have beaten a Top 25 team from a non-AAC league (like UC has).

Cincy is the only G5 team that has a shot at the four-team playoff — but that chance is modest (and perhaps slim) at best.

I would see the chances of Cinci doing it -- about the same as Northern Illinois making a NY bowl many years back, when they did. The AAC was the Big East (shortly before they fell apart into AAC) -- and NIU was ranked higher than every one of them, had 1 loss to Iowa, and ranked #15 (had to be within Top 16 + Above a P6 Champ). They were also above Wisconsin who won the B10 thanks to Ohio State being banned that year from post-season + Wisconsin having a somewhat down-year pulling an upset in the B10 Champ Game.

So basically, Cinci would need some luck like That. MAYBE.

Thing is, the next year for Northern Illinois, they were on fire. Their 1 loss previous year was a barn-burner in Iowa. This time, they beat them in a barn-burner and absolutely crushed Purdue in their other P5 game. They were undefeated, on their way with Fresno fans griping about it, but got thumped in the MAC Championship.

Point is -- Cinci already established themselves Last year as a NYears Power team. However, they still need to outdo *2* P5 Conference champs at least (hopefully they don't give 2 slots to GA & Alabama) -- to get in.

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1. Georgia (only loss to Alabama in SEC)
2. Alabama (Wins rest; beats GA in SEC Champ game)

3a. Oklahoma (unbeaten; wins B12)
3b. OK-State (unbeaten; wins B12)
3c. Baylor (1 loss but makes up for it by sweeping table)

4a. Ohio State (Wins rest; very impressive; B10 stacked this year)
4b. Iowa (Goes undefeated; wow)
4c. UM/MSU (Goes undefeated; wow)
4d. Penn State (Wins rest; gets revenge on Iowa in B10 Champ game)

5a. Wake Forrest (Undefeated winning ACC)
5b. NC State (Wins rest to win ACC; 1 loss to Miss State)
5c. Pittsburgh (Wins rest to win ACC; 1 loss to WMU)

6a. Oregon (Wins rest; 1L but beat Ohio State)
6b. AZ State (Wins rest; 1L to ranked BYU)

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SO, Cinci at 13-0:
- Beating out P12 Champs? Pretty much, yeah.
- Beating out ACC Champs? Highly likely.
- Undefeated B12 Champs? NO.
- Undefeated B10 Champs or 1L Ohio State? NOPE.
- 1L Baylor B12 Champs? Yeah, maybe.
- 1L B10 Champs? Not going to happen.

It'd be REALLY hard if there's two SEC teams in.

Add to that, chances are, the P5 Conference Champs are likely going to be facing a Tougher team for their Conf Championship. Add to that, the voting will put a wind at the back of P5 champs -- ESPECIALLY since there's only 4 slots for the 5 Power Conferences... and possibly only 3 this year.

But, yes, it's possible Cinci can get in. Every P5 Conf Champ 1L or 2L in the right places? Yeah, Cinci's going in IF undefeated. Don't hold your breath all around.

Be happy with a NY/BCS Bowl facing a P5 Conf Champ that Also didn't quite make it to the 4-team "playoff", if ya go undefeated.

(10-12-2021 01:33 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Does ANYONE actually believe TPTB will allow Cincinnati to get into the playoff?! There’s NO WAY IN HELL A G5 is allowed a shot at a championship!

UC has about as much chance of a playoff as UConn has winning one game this year.

No.

(10-12-2021 02:38 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]What would happen if SMU beat Cincinnati, not once, but twice? They play late in the year, then they could play again in the conference championship game. If SMU remained undefeated knocking off Cincinnati twice, would they get any of the same playoff consideration?

No, very little, we've seen this before - the only way for an AAC team to make it is to have a great season that enables them to start highly ranked in the polls like Cincinnati did. Then, the next season, go undefeated. Cincy is on track, but it's doubtful that SMU will be able to climb high enough.

(10-12-2021 01:33 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Does ANYONE actually believe TPTB will allow Cincinnati to get into the playoff?! There’s NO WAY IN HELL A G5 is allowed a shot at a championship!

If they do, will you stop asking stupid questions???

It's possible if they run the table. The problem is there really are no more signature wins available for them the rest of the way. An Ohio State or Michigan or Iowa can easily stack up signature wins. Oklahoma has a clear path and heavier schedule. Oregon and Arizona State both have chances to pile up quality wins. And you can't count out Alabama, nor somebody running the table from here on out in the ACC.

Cincinnati needs some help, the Pac-12 and ACC champs to be two loss teams and Oklahoma to stumble, and Alabama take another loss.

It's possible, but unlikely.

NOBODY wants to watch Cincinnati play in a major bowl! This is why they won’t get into CFP OR NY6 bowl.

Quote:It's possible if they run the table. The problem is there really are no more signature wins available for them the rest of the way.

That's the thing. A G5 undefeated team can really only go Down during conference season if their conference isn't having a Wow season -- unless other P5 conferences beat each other up. Although possible, they really won't climb up.

But the thing is, a team in Cinci's position isn't the only one crying foul. It's only 4 teams. 2 possibly SEC! And there's 5 Power Conf Champs! And Notre Dame when they're having a great year!

There's always going to be Very Good teams missing out when there's only 4 slots with 5 P5s + Notre Dame + Top G5, especially if SEC threatens to take 2 of the 4!

(10-12-2021 01:57 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Wake is the ONLY P5 they get in ahead of!

No

In a normal season, Cincy gets more respect than Wake because the W/L record of the Bearcats is generally a lot better.

If both teams are undefeated at the end the season, Wake's schedule is much tougher. Wake will need 6 P5 wins on the road (and 10 P5 wins overall). Cincy is getting the current buzz because they won 2 P5 games on the road (plus the game against the Domers got extra media attention)...Cincy's future opponents are in the AAC, which has much weaker programs than the ACC. It would not be a close call for the CFP committee.

Wake's chances of going undefeated may be small, but any undefeated P5 conference champ will easily beat any undefeated G5 champion.

(10-12-2021 01:33 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Does ANYONE actually believe TPTB will allow Cincinnati to get into the playoff?! There’s NO WAY IN HELL A G5 is allowed a shot at a championship!

Sadly, I think Cincy has a very good chance of making the playoffs. If anything, I think the CFP would like to 'prove' that there is no bias against the G5, and so I think if any bias is involved it will be in their favor.

I say "sadly" because Cincy just does not play a playoff-worthy schedule. I mean, look at the teams Arkansas has had to face. They played Texas, then Texas AM, then Georgia, then Ole Miss. I mean, that's a murderers row - and they still have tp play Auburn and Alabama to boot!

Georgia just had a huge road game vs Auburn, and now they have to turn around and play #11 Kentucky.

IMO, it is crazy that a team that will play nobody but teams like ECU, SMU, Temple, Navy, USF, etc. can make the playoffs. It's just not a worthy schedule.

(10-12-2021 03:46 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]NOBODY wants to watch Cincinnati play in a major bowl! This is why they won’t get into CFP OR NY6 bowl.

Very well put, completely agree.

Oh wait, never mind, I was thinking you were talking about the 2010 Fiesta Bowl where somehow an 8-5 UConn team got in only to get blown out on national television with some of the lowest ratings ever for that game.

(10-12-2021 03:46 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]NOBODY wants to watch Cincinnati play in a major bowl! This is why they won’t get into CFP OR NY6 bowl.

They have already been in a NY6 Bowl. And I want to see Cincy crack the playoffs.

Just like I would want Boise, SDSU, etc.