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I think the AAC is the best fit for us right now, If Liberty wanted to join a conference. We have surpass the Sunbelt and C-USA in my opinion.

One topic I don't see much of is athletic budgets. I don't think CUSA or SBC are good fits based on the fact that LU can out spend those conferences. That's what is going on right now in the ASUN. Last year, LU either won or was runner up to over half of the sponsored ASUN sports. If the AAC wants schools that are "P6" they need new schools that can spend at a power five level. LU has that potential. It's up to the AAC if they want that potential.

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Liberty fits best as an independent but of the options, the AAC is best for LU. I think they care most about results and are willing to put up with a bigger variety of schools in order to keep the P6 charade going. C-USA is similar but they would be brutal from a media deal standpoint. Finding a game on TV is a nightmare and I don't want Liberty stuck in that mess.

AAC is the highest profile conference listed. Of course, AAC is going to be the popular choice.

Realistically it's Sun Belt, Conference USA, or remain Independent, but it's still hard to say what either of those conferences will look like come 2025.

(09-20-2021 05:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Liberty fits best as an independent but of the options, the AAC is best for LU. I think they care most about results and are willing to put up with a bigger variety of schools in order to keep the P6 charade going.

Agreed. I think the problem right now is that AAC has been kneecapped so hard that even adding a strong football team like LU isn’t enough.

Quote:C-USA is similar but they would be brutal from a media deal standpoint. Finding a game on TV is a nightmare and I don't want Liberty stuck in that mess.

It’s incredible to me how mismanaged that league has been the past 10 years or so.

(10-05-2021 07:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2021 05:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Liberty fits best as an independent but of the options, the AAC is best for LU. I think they care most about results and are willing to put up with a bigger variety of schools in order to keep the P6 charade going.

Agreed. I think the problem right now is that AAC has been kneecapped so hard that even adding a strong football team like LU isn’t enough.

Quote:C-USA is similar but they would be brutal from a media deal standpoint. Finding a game on TV is a nightmare and I don't want Liberty stuck in that mess.

It’s incredible to me how mismanaged that league has been the past 10 years or so.

The whole marketz plan was a disaster then bringing Judy on and renegotiation the TV deal was bad too. Schools in big cities don't mean they own that market.

(10-06-2021 06:23 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-05-2021 07:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2021 05:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Liberty fits best as an independent but of the options, the AAC is best for LU. I think they care most about results and are willing to put up with a bigger variety of schools in order to keep the P6 charade going.

Agreed. I think the problem right now is that AAC has been kneecapped so hard that even adding a strong football team like LU isn’t enough.

Quote:C-USA is similar but they would be brutal from a media deal standpoint. Finding a game on TV is a nightmare and I don't want Liberty stuck in that mess.

It’s incredible to me how mismanaged that league has been the past 10 years or so.

The whole marketz plan was a disaster then being Judy on and renegotiation the TV was bad too. Schools in big cities don't mean they own that market.

Honestly this might be a good thing for CUSA. The front runners for expansion have been UAB (all but done deal), ODU and Charlotte to the AAC. There are rumbles that the MWC is eyeing Texas with two of UNT, Rice and UTSA. If there was a scenario to off load Charlotte, ODU and Rice while keeping brands like Marshall, USM and FAU I really think it will help. UTEP is a heavy outlier but at least they have brand recognition.

(10-06-2021 08:36 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-06-2021 06:23 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-05-2021 07:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2021 05:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Liberty fits best as an independent but of the options, the AAC is best for LU. I think they care most about results and are willing to put up with a bigger variety of schools in order to keep the P6 charade going.

Agreed. I think the problem right now is that AAC has been kneecapped so hard that even adding a strong football team like LU isn’t enough.

Quote:C-USA is similar but they would be brutal from a media deal standpoint. Finding a game on TV is a nightmare and I don't want Liberty stuck in that mess.

It’s incredible to me how mismanaged that league has been the past 10 years or so.

The whole marketz plan was a disaster then being Judy on and renegotiation the TV was bad too. Schools in big cities don't mean they own that market.

Honestly this might be a good thing for CUSA. The front runners for expansion have been UAB (all but done deal), ODU and Charlotte to the AAC. There are rumbles that the MWC is eyeing Texas with two of UNT, Rice and UTSA. If there was a scenario to off load Charlotte, ODU and Rice while keeping brands like Marshall, USM and FAU I really think it will help. UTEP is a heavy outlier but at least they have brand recognition.

Help what? Us going into a broken CUSA sounds like a horrible idea. Long-term it would work out but before that it might suck.

A question for the Liberty board..

If you guys get left out of AAC/SBC/CUSA expansion and realignment, what is the longterm solution?

Being independent has a few advantages, but longterm scheduling with so few, and mostly awful, independents is going to be problematic and expensive. Especially expensive as Liberty grows as a program and is trying to get 6 or 7 schools a year to come play you at home..

Back to my question..With the ASun adding football, and with several of those football programs voicing or hinting at eventually playing at the FBS level, would Liberty consider using it's marketability and financial clout to help raise the conference as a whole to the FBS level? Having a conference home with schools that are already partners in other sports would seem to benefit all involved. I could see an ASun conference with Liberty as its flagship immediately gain traction and media deals..

Anyway, just a thought..

(10-06-2021 11:08 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-06-2021 08:36 AM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-06-2021 06:23 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-05-2021 07:35 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2021 05:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Liberty fits best as an independent but of the options, the AAC is best for LU. I think they care most about results and are willing to put up with a bigger variety of schools in order to keep the P6 charade going.

Agreed. I think the problem right now is that AAC has been kneecapped so hard that even adding a strong football team like LU isn’t enough.

Quote:C-USA is similar but they would be brutal from a media deal standpoint. Finding a game on TV is a nightmare and I don't want Liberty stuck in that mess.

It’s incredible to me how mismanaged that league has been the past 10 years or so.

The whole marketz plan was a disaster then being Judy on and renegotiation the TV was bad too. Schools in big cities don't mean they own that market.

Honestly this might be a good thing for CUSA. The front runners for expansion have been UAB (all but done deal), ODU and Charlotte to the AAC. There are rumbles that the MWC is eyeing Texas with two of UNT, Rice and UTSA. If there was a scenario to off load Charlotte, ODU and Rice while keeping brands like Marshall, USM and FAU I really think it will help. UTEP is a heavy outlier but at least they have brand recognition.

Help what? Us going into a broken CUSA sounds like a horrible idea. Long-term it would work out but before that it might suck.

Help CUSA not so much Liberty. Sure Liberty would be a great add for the conference but even if they decide not to go, which I doubt LU would turn down the invite, there are good options available. Assuming Judy and Company don’t botch this too bad. 14 is too many. 10 or 12 is ideal for the conference size. I’d like to see them get down to 8 and try to add 2 from JMU, Liberty and Missouri State. I feel like Missouri State is primed to be a big get if they move to FBS. Southern enough state, only 1 in state FBS team, larger city with no competition around.

AAC or Independence. But we’d go to C-USA if offered I’d imagine.

(10-07-2021 06:02 AM)army56mike Wrote: [ -> ]AAC or Independence. But we’d go to C-USA if offered I’d imagine.

2 teams in Florida and 4 teams in Texas (6 that people have heard of). Just for the exposure in those states Liberty would go.

(10-06-2021 12:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]A question for the Liberty board..

If you guys get left out of AAC/SBC/CUSA expansion and realignment, what is the longterm solution?

Being independent has a few advantages, but longterm scheduling with so few, and mostly awful, independents is going to be problematic and expensive. Especially expensive as Liberty grows as a program and is trying to get 6 or 7 schools a year to come play you at home..

Back to my question..With the ASun adding football, and with several of those football programs voicing or hinting at eventually playing at the FBS level, would Liberty consider using it's marketability and financial clout to help raise the conference as a whole to the FBS level? Having a conference home with schools that are already partners in other sports would seem to benefit all involved. I could see an ASun conference with Liberty as its flagship immediately gain traction and media deals..

Anyway, just a thought..

I think Liberty is against joining the ASUN as an FBS conference. There's little to no brands, no FBS history. Best case scenario would be for Liberty to dominate the conference but that's unlikely and not guaranteed and the ASUN would likely be too weak to garner the winner the NY6 access bowl. While Liberty can't get the access bowl slot now, they can still be selected as an at-large if ranked high enough. That may be remote but it is possible.

I think LU would join the AAC and maybe the Sun Belt (and C-USA depending upon the losses and replacements). But even if they don't, independence isn't all bad. Sure, playing UMass, UConn, and New Mexico State almost annually doesn't sound enticing but playing three traditionally less competitive schools gets us that much closer to bowl eligibility and building a winning program. I don't think it costs more to be independent. Flights to the northeast or southwest are not any different than to Florida, Louisiana, or anywhere else. We're still regularly playing nearby schools, especially ODU who we will be playing more often than not. Signing home-home arrangements are neutral as far as costs go. We get two or three P5 a year which wouldn't happen in a G5 conference. We'd only pay big if we bought a one off home game or a 2-1 which we only do under special circumstances; after needing a full schedule on short notice with our initial move up from FCS, we used the payday money from a game with Auburn to buy a game with ODU and still had a little leftover.

To me, the best thing about independence is that we can be a pseudo P5. If we continue last year's season and finish with 10+ wins and ranked in the top 25 regularly, I think that would turn the general public's perception into looking at us as a BYU or better. They left the MWC with Utah's ascension into the PAC-12 because they didn't want to be perceived less than them. I think we should build up a schedule that includes over half our games against P5 schools so that we could have more opportunities to beat them, host them, and build a claim that we are P5 as an independent.

(10-06-2021 12:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]A question for the Liberty board..

If you guys get left out of AAC/SBC/CUSA expansion and realignment, what is the longterm solution?

Being independent has a few advantages, but longterm scheduling with so few, and mostly awful, independents is going to be problematic and expensive. Especially expensive as Liberty grows as a program and is trying to get 6 or 7 schools a year to come play you at home..

Back to my question..With the ASun adding football, and with several of those football programs voicing or hinting at eventually playing at the FBS level, would Liberty consider using it's marketability and financial clout to help raise the conference as a whole to the FBS level? Having a conference home with schools that are already partners in other sports would seem to benefit all involved. I could see an ASun conference with Liberty as its flagship immediately gain traction and media deals..

Anyway, just a thought..

A thought from a non LU fan who seems to know little about LU's progress. Joining in an A-Sun FB conference would be a huge backward move. LU has dominated A-Sun basketball since it's inception 3+ years ago and is the A-Sun's predominate team. LU is a unique school that marches to the beat of a different drummer. Most all schools would have a challenge as an indy scheduling FB. And LU has achieved a schedule that rivals and excels than most G5 teams. Committing 6-7 conference A-Sun games to beginning programs would take years for LU to benefit. LU would benefit more joining C-USA (AAC seems less likely, and no to the SBC) and becoming a predominate program there than the A-Sun. If in some unlikely way a regional conference were to happen (LU, JMU, ODU, Marshall, App St +) that would benefit LU. Not by staying put in the A-Sun in all sports. The A-Sun is a conference LU can park all it's sports except FB waiting it's time until a higher profile invite happens.

(10-08-2021 10:14 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-06-2021 12:52 PM)Tmac13 Wrote: [ -> ]A question for the Liberty board..

If you guys get left out of AAC/SBC/CUSA expansion and realignment, what is the longterm solution?

Being independent has a few advantages, but longterm scheduling with so few, and mostly awful, independents is going to be problematic and expensive. Especially expensive as Liberty grows as a program and is trying to get 6 or 7 schools a year to come play you at home..

Back to my question..With the ASun adding football, and with several of those football programs voicing or hinting at eventually playing at the FBS level, would Liberty consider using it's marketability and financial clout to help raise the conference as a whole to the FBS level? Having a conference home with schools that are already partners in other sports would seem to benefit all involved. I could see an ASun conference with Liberty as its flagship immediately gain traction and media deals..

Anyway, just a thought..

To me, the best thing about independence is that we can be a pseudo P5. If we continue last year's season and finish with 10+ wins and ranked in the top 25 regularly, I think that would turn the general public's perception into looking at us as a BYU or better. They left the MWC with Utah's ascension into the PAC-12 because they didn't want to be perceived less than them. I think we should build up a schedule that includes over half our games against P5 schools so that we could have more opportunities to beat them, host them, and build a claim that we are P5 as an independent.

+1

Independent has more potential than joining CUSA or SBC. Indy is good long-term if needed.
AAC would be great. If the AAC wants to continue the perception of "P6," it needs schools with power-level athletic budgets. LU can generate a P5 athletic budget. It is up to the AAC if they want that potential.