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(09-11-2021 05:39 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:On a day commemorating people killed by Al-Qaeda, he treated going after them as just an off-hand, unserious thing. “Can Al-Qaeda come back, well yeah, but guess what?” before leaning in and doing that weird whispering thing. “It’s already back in other places, what’s the strategy, every place where Al Qaeda is, we are gonna invade and have troops there…c’mon.”

He then set about defending his actions in Afghanistan, “How else could you get out?”

Easily, by doing it with a plan in a logical order, not taking the military out first. This wasn’t the event to try to re-litigate his failures, but he tried it anyway, completely lacking in any propriety. He still doesn’t get why people are disturbed with him and it’s still all about him in his mind. And how was he so completely oblivious to talk about Tajikistan and people hanging off wheel wells, when that’s exactly what happened because of him at the Kabul airport? Does he not know that? Does he not know people died?

But those weren’t the only offensive remarks he made in Shanksville.

He spoke about George W. Bush’s speech which some perceived as attacking people on the right involved in the Capitol riot. Which of course is why Biden praised the speech.

Biden then went on to talk about kids he met at the memorial in Shanksville wearing Trump hats. “The real issue” for those kids, Biden said, was “for them, in the next four, five, six, ten years, demonstrate that democracy is going to work?” He then said he’s had conversations with Xi Jinping of China and a summit with Vladimir Putin, saying there are a lot of autocrats who think democracies can’t function in the 21st century. Biden said they think you can’t bring people together, that the only people who are going to succeed are the autocrats.

“That’s why it’s so damn important….Everybody says, ‘Biden, why do you keep insisting on trying to bring the country together?'” What, did he actually just say that? He said that’s what the world was going to be looking at, “Knowing that we actually can, in fact, lead by the example of our power.”

Is he really picking out kids in Trump hats to make an example of, in remarks about autocrats? Seriously? How bad is that, to talk about kids at such a memorial? And why is he saying any of this? Not the place or the time.

Of course, it’s an attack, meant to hit Trump as an autocrat and knock his supporters. But if he was to talk about autocrats, maybe he should look at his own actions over the last week when he said he would impose vaccine mandates affecting some 100 million people, when just in July, his own administration said it wasn’t within their power to do such a thing. Then he dares to talk about what a unifier he is? He’s done nothing but divide since he got into office. Picking on kids wearing Trump hats at a memorial is not exactly a unifying thing. If only he was the unifier he claims he is.

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It takes a strong leader to just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well".

(09-12-2021 05:18 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]It takes a strong leader to just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well".

He took responsibility for what he did. Trump would never do that.

(09-13-2021 01:40 PM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2021 05:18 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]It takes a strong leader to just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well".

He took responsibility for what he did. Trump would never do that.

He took responsibility for something no one is arguing about - withdrawal.

It’s the botched withdrawal where he pulled troops before citizens, didn’t communicate with the allies, abandon Bagram, pulled support and mechanics from Afghan army and allowed the suicide bomber to killed 13 US troops when they had the suspects targeted and ready for a drone strike

(09-13-2021 02:06 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2021 01:40 PM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2021 05:18 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]It takes a strong leader to just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well".

He took responsibility for what he did. Trump would never do that.

He took responsibility for something no one is arguing about - withdrawal.

It’s the botched withdrawal where he pulled troops before citizens, didn’t communicate with the allies, abandon Bagram, pulled support and mechanics from Afghan army and allowed the suicide bomber to killed 13 US troops when they had the suspects targeted and ready for a drone strike

Trump drew down the troops way before Biden ever took office. Also, Americans had more than a year to get out of Afghanistan.

(09-14-2021 11:40 AM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2021 02:06 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2021 01:40 PM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2021 05:18 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]It takes a strong leader to just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well".

He took responsibility for what he did. Trump would never do that.

He took responsibility for something no one is arguing about - withdrawal.
It’s the botched withdrawal where he pulled troops before citizens, didn’t communicate with the allies, abandon Bagram, pulled support and mechanics from Afghan army and allowed the suicide bomber to killed 13 US troops when they had the suspects targeted and ready for a drone strike

Trump drew down the troops way before Biden ever took office. Also, Americans had more than a year to get out of Afghanistan.

But Trump did not botch the withdrawal.

Withdrawals are hard, a lot harder than they look to the inexperienced observer, and probably a lot harder than getting into the country to start with. This administration clearly overlooked some obvious problems in their overriding zeal to get out by a date certain--and a well publicized date.

We do not and cannot know whether Trump would similarly have botched it. But we do know that Biden did.

(09-14-2021 11:40 AM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2021 02:06 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2021 01:40 PM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2021 05:18 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]It takes a strong leader to just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well".

He took responsibility for what he did. Trump would never do that.

He took responsibility for something no one is arguing about - withdrawal.

It’s the botched withdrawal where he pulled troops before citizens, didn’t communicate with the allies, abandon Bagram, pulled support and mechanics from Afghan army and allowed the suicide bomber to killed 13 US troops when they had the suspects targeted and ready for a drone strike

Trump drew down the troops way before Biden ever took office. Also, Americans had more than a year to get out of Afghanistan.

So in 7 months, the POTUS and his braintrust couldn't figure out hey we may need more troops to slow them down while we evacuate?

(09-14-2021 03:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-14-2021 11:40 AM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2021 02:06 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2021 01:40 PM)Danforth Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2021 05:18 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote: [ -> ]It takes a strong leader to just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well".

He took responsibility for what he did. Trump would never do that.

He took responsibility for something no one is arguing about - withdrawal.
It’s the botched withdrawal where he pulled troops before citizens, didn’t communicate with the allies, abandon Bagram, pulled support and mechanics from Afghan army and allowed the suicide bomber to killed 13 US troops when they had the suspects targeted and ready for a drone strike

Trump drew down the troops way before Biden ever took office. Also, Americans had more than a year to get out of Afghanistan.

But Trump did not botch the withdrawal.

Withdrawals are hard, a lot harder than they look to the inexperienced observer, and probably a lot harder than getting into the country to start with. This administration clearly overlooked some obvious problems in their overriding zeal to get out by a date certain--and a well publicized date.

We do not and cannot know whether Trump would similarly have botched it. But we do know that Biden did.

You are 100 percent correct.

Trump did not botch the withdrawal but it's likely only because he wasn't in office at the time. There is nothing to indicate that things would have been done more smoothly had Trump been in charge.

There is nothing to indicate it wouldn’t

The dude speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Contradicts himself. Why bother engaging with this troll?

(09-15-2021 12:47 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: [ -> ]There is nothing to indicate it wouldn’t

On this we can agree.

That's all am saying.

We have no way of knowing how things would have turned out with Trump.

I wonder if Biden* even realizes that he has withdrawn our troops from Afghanistan or if he even knows what Afghanistan is.