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Inside sources HAVE leaked this information regarding Boise and Memphis. That is where this is all coming from. TV is on board that is why B12 has been so confidently vocal about future expansion. Boise and Memphis had the votes to get in the first wave, but they were number 5 and 6 when ranked. They could only take 4.

From all indications this is just timing with TX/OU departure date. SMU and USF also under consideration, but Boise and Memphis were considered front runners.

Memphis stadium issue was discussed, but not a deal breaker. Big 12 just wants to know future plans and renovations or new stadium coming.

Until Boise finds a home for Olympic sports, they will not get a look in the Big 12. I’d be shocked. Memphis and USF far more likely.

I’m not sure BYU needs a travel partner, but ideally that partner would be closer to the core of the conference than further. I think SMU is probably more likely than Boise all sports. Take USF/Memphis and call it a day.

(09-25-2021 09:56 AM)Boots Wrote: [ -> ]From what I know...

Inside sources HAVE leaked this information regarding Boise and Memphis. That is where this is all coming from. ...

Is it more than was linked to earlier in this thread? That was that Memphis and Boise State were the other two to get unanimous votes, and the four that were invited were the top four out of those six.

It did not include any inside information that the Big12 got an appraisal from prospective TV partners that favored expanding to 14.

Not sure if this hypothetical was covered but how would it change if the ACC were to take West Virginia?

(09-25-2021 10:30 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]Until Boise finds a home for Olympic sports, they will not get a look in the Big 12. I’d be shocked. Memphis and USF far more likely.

I’m not sure BYU needs a travel partner, but ideally that partner would be closer to the core of the conference than further. I think SMU is probably more likely than Boise all sports. Take USF/Memphis and call it a day.

Boise is going to be an all sports addition. But in the miniscule odds event that they are just a football only addition, the extra revenues they'll receive will be more than enough to bribe someone else to take their basketball. Boise will be fine

Is the Liberty Bowl really any worse than the Kansas Jayhawks' stadium? Yes the Liberty Bowl needs some upgrades but with more money coming in and with the cooperation with the city of Memphis they will get there. It's not like the Liberty Bowl is Legion Field or the pre-renovations Citrus Bowl.

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(09-25-2021 11:27 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ]Boise is going to be an all sports addition. But in the miniscule odds event that they are just a football only addition, the extra revenues they'll receive will be more than enough to bribe someone else to take their basketball. Boise will be fine

No doubt should the Big 12 extend, Boise will be required to make serious commitments to other areas besides football. But it’s not worth the trouble. USF is much better positioned for sustained success. And I doubt UCF would have say in the matter. If it comes down to the next two years of performance to weigh the decision of 13 and 14, I believe Boise will fade and USF will hang in there. I don’t buy anyone being unanimous after the four they added. If they wanted 14 schools, they would have extended by now because the AAC still requires 27 months or a heftier buyout price, which the Big 12 won’t foot. If they really believe OU and UT are locked in through 24’ then they can wait through 22’ before having to decide, when it will be more evident that Boise is closer to a ceiling than USF.

If the AAC adds another Fla school it will be very telling of who they expect to lose besides Memphis, although I don’t expect them to in this round.

Memphis football is awesome.

(09-20-2021 11:48 AM)jgkojak Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2021 09:49 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]By the way, let me also say that I think the Big 12 did an amazing job during this round of realignment. It stands in stark contrast to how badly you bungled your last two expansions. Perhaps that’s because Texas was no longer around to screw things up? Whatever the case, you did it right this time.

Yes, they did this right, and I think those 4 teams are being under-valued for various reasons:

BYU: Other than Utah, has a huge base of fans in SoCal and KC. B12 is a natural home for this national program.

Houston: The two Texas teams the Pac had interest in? TCU and Houston. If Houston can keep up (no reason to think they can't) in facilities and academics, the biggest problem the B12 will have with them is they shoot to the top of poaching candidates in the next round.

Cinci: Top 20 in FB and BB in a metro area on the doorstep of the B1G and a travel P for WV - will contribute to quality of conference every year.

UCF: Sleeping giant. Largest student body in B12 once Texas leaves. Market unencumbered by NFL competition, future annual national title contender, again, will grow to the point that they may have options outside the B12 in 10 years.

All of these schools are home runs for the B12 and in 5 years will be interesting to see where the B12 ranks in FB - we know they'll be Top3 in BB.

Largest student body just means the least stringent admission requirements. Why do you guys not realize this and keep parroting this nonsense?

The truth is any additional future Big 12 expansion is merely a fiction. That some members of the current expansion committee, specifically Texas Tech AD Kirby Hocutt, will volunteer their personal interest in a few more schools at some time down the road, actually amounts to nothing. Right now is a transitional and digestion period that will run to 2025 and even a few years past, maybe well past. The dynamics of today will not remain static; just ask Colorado State about their Big 12 invite status, from one of the short list five or six to not even considered, or how the opposition to BYU and Houston in 2016 evaporated. If I had to make one prediction about 2026, it would be that Boise State will continue to slowly trend down. Who knows SMU and UTSA may be the hot schools in five or six years.

What I'm trying to say is further expansion is not likely nor imminent for the Big 12. They have to settle what they have first, get the next TV deal, and understand the impact of the new lineup and whether any additions help or hurt. And the new configuration of the membership will have to come to a consensus if they do decide more is better.

There is no question neutering the American was part of the objective this time around. But will pushing down the American more even matter in five or six years?

As for Memphis and Boise State, they will be on the radar, as will SMU and South Florida and probably a few other schols based on what they are doing by that time. Some will rise and some will fall.

(09-26-2021 02:14 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [ -> ]Largest student body just means the least stringent admission requirements. Why do you guys not realize this and keep parroting this nonsense?

They don't weight TV ratings by SAT score.

Indeed, the Buckeyes won two of their national championships when OSU was effectively open admission for any Ohio HS graduate with a college entrance HS program and adequate HS GPA, while the Board of Regents Universities (most of them in the MAC) were selective admission. OSU built many of their strong graduate programs on the back of all of the GTA stipends they could offer based on all of the survey courses taken by all of those relatively open admission undergraduate students.

(09-25-2021 10:30 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]Until Boise finds a home for Olympic sports, they will not get a look in the Big 12. I’d be shocked. Memphis and USF far more likely.

I’m not sure BYU needs a travel partner, but ideally that partner would be closer to the core of the conference than further. I think SMU is probably more likely than Boise all sports. Take USF/Memphis and call it a day.

And yet Boise States basketball has consistently won 20 games a year since Leon Rice arrived a decade ago. BSU is an all sports invite.

One final thing. The rumor concerning Boise State, Memphis, SMU and South Florida still being on the radar is one of the best PSYOP campaigns ever, being extremely low cost and low risk (one AD shooting off his mouth, while a couple school CEOs say it's over quietly), but highly successful. It has essentially stymied AAC expansion plans, effectively taking San Diego State and Boise State off the table. The remaining expansion candidates all diminish the AAC. Mission accomplished.

(09-26-2021 03:18 PM)Reverend Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2021 10:30 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]Until Boise finds a home for Olympic sports, they will not get a look in the Big 12. I’d be shocked. Memphis and USF far more likely.

I’m not sure BYU needs a travel partner, but ideally that partner would be closer to the core of the conference than further. I think SMU is probably more likely than Boise all sports. Take USF/Memphis and call it a day.

And yet Boise States basketball has consistently won 20 games a year since Leon Rice arrived a decade ago. BSU is an all sports invite.

Getting out of the play-in game would be a good start. After all, UC Davis, Cal Poly, Hawaii and UC Irvine - three of whom Boise used to play with - each have one NCAA win since Leon Rice arrived. Boise's zero NCAA wins stands out

(09-26-2021 02:14 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2021 11:48 AM)jgkojak Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2021 09:49 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]By the way, let me also say that I think the Big 12 did an amazing job during this round of realignment. It stands in stark contrast to how badly you bungled your last two expansions. Perhaps that’s because Texas was no longer around to screw things up? Whatever the case, you did it right this time.

Yes, they did this right, and I think those 4 teams are being under-valued for various reasons:

BYU: Other than Utah, has a huge base of fans in SoCal and KC. B12 is a natural home for this national program.

Houston: The two Texas teams the Pac had interest in? TCU and Houston. If Houston can keep up (no reason to think they can't) in facilities and academics, the biggest problem the B12 will have with them is they shoot to the top of poaching candidates in the next round.

Cinci: Top 20 in FB and BB in a metro area on the doorstep of the B1G and a travel P for WV - will contribute to quality of conference every year.

UCF: Sleeping giant. Largest student body in B12 once Texas leaves. Market unencumbered by NFL competition, future annual national title contender, again, will grow to the point that they may have options outside the B12 in 10 years.

All of these schools are home runs for the B12 and in 5 years will be interesting to see where the B12 ranks in FB - we know they'll be Top3 in BB.

Largest student body just means the least stringent admission requirements. Why do you guys not realize this and keep parroting this nonsense?

UCF is tougher to get into than most of the SEC and Big 12. Average SAT is 1259 vs. 1177 at Alabama and 1224 at Tennessee.

(09-26-2021 03:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]One final thing. The rumor concerning Boise State, Memphis, SMU and South Florida still being on the radar is one of the best PSYOP campaigns ever, being extremely low cost and low risk (one AD shooting off his mouth, while a couple school CEOs say it's over quietly), but highly successful. It has essentially stymied AAC expansion plans, effectively taking San Diego State and Boise State off the table. The remaining expansion candidates all diminish the AAC. Mission accomplished.

There is no chance of further expansion until we have a clear timeline for the OU UT exits. If the hold for SEC play is Fall 25’, then we don’t need news until Spring of 23’. 16 teams is not going to happen.

Once they committed to Fla, I figured USF had the edge over the field. We know Memphis is a lock for 13. There is really no other realistic options.

If they lose TCU to the PAC, they have a backfill available. If Houston goes, they can look at CSU/Tulane, or bite the bullet with Boise. Taking USF and Memphis best positions the Big 12 well into the future, into 2030 TV cycle even. Every region is solidified, including the eastern footprint, and a national brand in a western time zone. It’s a slam dunk, although there is no impetus to add for a couple more years. But they will add those two barring scandals or piss poor play in the next couple of years.

(09-26-2021 04:18 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]UCF is tougher to get into than most of the SEC and Big 12. Average SAT is 1259 vs. 1177 at Alabama and 1224 at Tennessee.

The Big 12 newcomers compare favorably to the Big 12 leftovers:

Per Common Data Set, avg of 25th and 75th percentile SAT:

BYU - 1305
UCF - 1255
Houston - 1215
Cincy - 1215

Baylor - 1275
Iowa St - 1220
TCU - 1215
Kansas - 1200
Kansas St - NR, presumably lower than KU
Texas Tech - 1155
West Virginia - 1145

Boise and Memphis however...

Memphis - 1095
Boise - 1050

(09-26-2021 03:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]One final thing. The rumor concerning Boise State, Memphis, SMU and South Florida still being on the radar is one of the best PSYOP campaigns ever, being extremely low cost and low risk (one AD shooting off his mouth, while a couple school CEOs say it's over quietly), but highly successful. It has essentially stymied AAC expansion plans, effectively taking San Diego State and Boise State off the table. The remaining expansion candidates all diminish the AAC. Mission accomplished.

This is exactly what happened. Disinformation campaign.

(09-26-2021 04:48 PM)CougarRed Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2021 04:18 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]UCF is tougher to get into than most of the SEC and Big 12. Average SAT is 1259 vs. 1177 at Alabama and 1224 at Tennessee.

The Big 12 newcomers compare favorably to the Big 12 leftovers:

Per Common Data Set, avg of 25th and 75th percentile SAT:

BYU - 1305
UCF - 1255
Houston - 1215
Cincy - 1215

Baylor - 1275
Iowa St - 1220
TCU - 1215
Kansas - 1200
Kansas St - NR, presumably lower than KU
Texas Tech - 1155
West Virginia - 1145

Boise and Memphis however...

Memphis - 1095
Boise - 1050

Dang… honestly didn’t realize averages were even that high at some of those schools (yeah I ****ed up on my SAT once or twice). Kids getting smarter or testing standards dropping?

(09-26-2021 04:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2021 03:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]One final thing. The rumor concerning Boise State, Memphis, SMU and South Florida still being on the radar is one of the best PSYOP campaigns ever, being extremely low cost and low risk (one AD shooting off his mouth, while a couple school CEOs say it's over quietly), but highly successful. It has essentially stymied AAC expansion plans, effectively taking San Diego State and Boise State off the table. The remaining expansion candidates all diminish the AAC. Mission accomplished.

There is no chance of further expansion until we have a clear timeline for the OU UT exits. If the hold for SEC play is Fall 25’, then we don’t need news until Spring of 23’. 16 teams is not going to happen.

Once they committed to Fla, I figured USF had the edge over the field. We know Memphis is a lock for 13. There is really no other realistic options.

If they lose TCU to the PAC, they have a backfill available. If Houston goes, they can look at CSU/Tulane, or bite the bullet with Boise. Taking USF and Memphis best positions the Big 12 well into the future, into 2030 TV cycle even. Every region is solidified, including the eastern footprint, and a national brand in a western time zone. It’s a slam dunk, although there is no impetus to add for a couple more years. But they will add those two barring scandals or piss poor play in the next couple of years.

Aresco was saying a couple days ago that UH, UCF and Cincinnati had not even talked to them yet about moving out in '23 instead of '24. Guess they are waiting for the UT/OU exit date to be settled.