My biggest question at this point for Temple is has the AAC downgraded to the point where they would create their own Northeast based conference?
UConn-FB
UMass
Army-FB
Buffalo
Temple
Ohio
Marshall
ODU
App St
Charlotte
Georgia St.
FAU
Could this be better than sitting in the AAC an absorbing massive travel costs?
Northeast is a stretch for some of these teams. I'm also not sure it's an upgrade for a lot of them - why would Army give up independence for this? Is this an upgrade over the MAC? Why is FAU part of this?
(09-02-2021 07:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]My biggest question at this point for Temple is has the AAC downgraded to the point where they would create their own Northeast based conference?
UConn-FB
UMass
Army-FB
Buffalo
Temple
Ohio
Marshall
ODU
App St
Charlotte
Georgia St.
FAU
Could this be better than sitting in the AAC an absorbing massive travel costs?
I trust Temple’s new president isn’t an idiot. So, no. There are multiple other “no”s in there starting with Army agreeing to to join.
If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
Finei am broken If we explode I could be interested in a n alliance of likeminded independent football schools.
ESPN would be have to totally blow up the TV deal before anyone pays an exit fee and walks away from the other team's exit fees for anything less than maybe a MWC invite.
(09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
An Eastern 8 with UMass huh? Sounds familiar.
(09-02-2021 08:28 PM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
An Eastern 8 with UMass huh? Sounds familiar.
If this were possible, would you be interested as a UMass fan.
(09-02-2021 08:38 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 08:28 PM)e-parade Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
An Eastern 8 with UMass huh? Sounds familiar.
If this were possible, would you be interested as a UMass fan.
100% - outside of ECU and USF, those are all programs I want to have ongoing series with already. And if this happened to come with ECU and USF as well, well that would only be good for UMass.
There’s just not enough programs for a full conference in the northeast:
UMass
UConn
Buffalo
Temple
Army*
Navy*
(09-02-2021 07:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]My biggest question at this point for Temple is has the AAC downgraded to the point where they would create their own Northeast based conference?
UConn-FB
UMass
Army-FB
Buffalo
Temple
Ohio
Marshall
ODU
App St
Charlotte
Georgia St.
FAU
Could this be better than sitting in the AAC an absorbing massive travel costs?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3dm2lBzm2AE
(09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
I keep seeing southern schools in these Northeast based conferences. Not that I think USF or ECU are bad fits. What about Marshall, ODU or JMU?
(09-02-2021 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
I keep seeing southern schools in these Northeast based conferences. Not that I think USF or ECU are bad fits. What about Marshall, ODU or JMU?
If not ECU and USF, I would also be fine with 2 of those 3. I think they were just brought along because in this scenario they'd already be indy football as opposed to the ones you listed.
(09-02-2021 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
I keep seeing southern schools in these Northeast based conferences. Not that I think USF or ECU are bad fits. What about Marshall, ODU or JMU?
I like USF because they are in Florida and were a former BCS and Big East school. I like ECU because they traditionally have a good football program.
James Madison is an FCS school so they are out. ODU just started football recently so they are out. Marshall is interesting, but I only want 8 schools to keep a 7-game schedule.
(09-02-2021 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
I keep seeing southern schools in these Northeast based conferences. Not that I think USF or ECU are bad fits. What about Marshall, ODU or JMU?
There isn’t going to be a G5 Northeastern conference. There aren’t enough available teams or interest for it to happen. As for Marshall, people on here need to look at a map at some point. Huntington is WEST of Columbus, OH. ECU is somewhat more than 100 miles closer to Temple than Marshall is.
(09-02-2021 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ]I keep seeing southern schools in these Northeast based conferences. Not that I think USF or ECU are bad fits. What about Marshall, ODU or JMU?
West Virginia and Virginia outside of DC-metro are also pretty non-northern as well.
At the level of an organization with a scheduling agreement between officially independent schools, and some bowl agreements, I can see Army being interested, as well as Navy if they were to go independent again, but I don't see why Buffalo would leave the MAC, with less risk of being left out of a bowl with a winning season, and the Access Bowl race if you are really hot ... for a scheduling agreement between officially independent schools.
Which leaves:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Temple (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
There is just not all that much oomph there to convince Temple to go independent, though it would take care of two home games toward the end of the season.
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Regarding the OP, I don't see Army/Navy joining the OP conference, at which point there's absolutely no way that Buffalo/Ohio leave the MAC for it, so the original conference is internally contradictory and therefore not feasible.
(09-02-2021 09:23 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 08:16 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]If the NCAA grants a waiver for a football-only Northeastern conference, UConn would probably only be interested if it is small (8 schools) so that the brands are relatively well-known and we would only play 7 conference games a year to allow us the possibility of scheduling up to 5 P5 home and homes a year. It would not have a conference championship game to allow the Army-Navy game to be played a week after the CCGs.
The conference:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
Temple (A-10)
Buffalo (America East)
ECU (CAA)
USF (CAA)
I do think that the MW is going to raid the AAC for two more schools (Memphis and SMU+Wichita-olympic sports) in addition to UC, UH, and UCF getting nabbed by the Big 12. That leaves Tulsa and Tulane in a precarious spot.
I keep seeing southern schools in these Northeast based conferences. Not that I think USF or ECU are bad fits. What about Marshall, ODU or JMU?
I like USF because they are in Florida and were a former BCS and Big East school. I like ECU because they traditionally have a good football program.
James Madison is an FCS school so they are out. ODU just started football recently so they are out. Marshall is interesting, but I only want 8 schools to keep a 7-game schedule.
I can get on board with USF as Tampa (and other FL cities can feel Northeastern in a cultural sense. Somewhat). ECU is just far more of an outlier IMO. And I understand the desire to maintain OOC slots on UCONN’s part.
(09-02-2021 09:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021 09:19 PM)VCE Wrote: [ -> ]I keep seeing southern schools in these Northeast based conferences. Not that I think USF or ECU are bad fits. What about Marshall, ODU or JMU?
West Virginia and Virginia outside of DC-metro are also pretty non-northern as well.
At the level of an organization with a scheduling agreement between officially independent schools, and some bowl agreements, I can see Army being interested, as well as Navy if they were to go independent again, but I don't see why Buffalo would leave the MAC, with less risk of being left out of a bowl with a winning season, and the Access Bowl race if you are really hot ... for a scheduling agreement between officially independent schools.
Which leaves:
UConn (Big East)
UMass (A-10)
Temple (A-10)
Army (Patriot)
Navy (Patriot)
There is just not all that much oomph there to convince Temple to go independent, though it would take care of two home games toward the end of the season.
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Regarding the OP, I don't see Army/Navy joining the OP conference, at which point there's absolutely no way that Buffalo/Ohio leave the MAC for it, so the original conference is internally contradictory and therefore not feasible.
I feel like Norfolk and the Hampton Roads area has gotten much less southern over the past couple decades. And WV has never been southern.
The issue is most of these more established teams aren't gonna be interested in these sort of start up conferences. Army is pretty happy as an independent, I would think Navy would also be willing to go back to independence if the AAC fell apart (which is not likely).
UConn, UMass, and Liberty would probably be interested in starting a Northeast (ish) conference, and New Mexico State might hop on just to make their lives a little easier, but that's not really a good core to build on.
(09-02-2021 07:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]My biggest question at this point for Temple is has the AAC downgraded to the point where they would create their own Northeast based conference?
UConn-FB
UMass
Army-FB
Buffalo
Temple
Ohio
Marshall
ODU
App St
Charlotte
Georgia St.
FAU
Could this be better than sitting in the AAC an absorbing massive travel costs?
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