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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles...e_you.html

"...At present, the U.S. is 51 percent fully vaccinated. While that may not seem like success, if you break it down the numbers are more favorable. 62 percent of adults and 81 percent of the elderly are fully vaccinated. Another segment of the population has natural immunity based on having had COVID. Given natural infection as a second and more robust pathway toward herd immunity, America has done well....

What is the media not saying about the vaccine-hesitant?

As reported in Summit News, “A new report by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh has found that the most highly educated Americans are also the most vaccine hesitant.” This was not a survey of a few hundred, but of 5 million Americans.

They found a U-shaped curve with the greatest hesitancy among the least and most educated. “The most common concern for those who are hesitant to take the vaccine is potential side effects, with a lack of trust in government close behind in second."

So much for the media narrative that only the missing-teeth, knuckle-dragging, Neanderthal Trump supporters are against vaccination....

Public trust in government is quite low, at 24 percent, according to Pew Research. If the government says to take the vaccine, three of four may question that. Is that vaccine-hesitancy or government hesitancy?

Another group, not mentioned as vaccine-hesitant, is blacks. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the white vaccination rate is 1.3 times higher than for blacks. This is not education level-related but instead may be a mistrust of “government benevolence,” a remnant of the Tuskegee syphilis studies where the U.S. government withheld disease treatment in blacks as an experiment to learn the natural history of syphilis.

Blacks also voted overwhelmingly for Joe Biden and the Democrats. In exchange, their neighborhoods and businesses were destroyed by Democrat-backed BLM riots and police defunding. Their distrust of government may be well justified....

Regardless of motivations, disparate groups of Americans, independent of political affiliation, are vaccine-hesitant, contrary to the media narrative. It’s a public health disservice for the media to politicize everything, including the COVID vaccines."

(08-30-2021 02:32 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]Public trust in government is quite low, at 24 percent, according to Pew Research.

1. Can hardly believe the % is that high.

2. That’s almost exactly the % that was pro-Truman when his presidency ended in 1952, or that was pro-Nixon when he resigned in 1974. Problems of sampling were just as challenging then, as now. Perhaps more so. But still.

(08-30-2021 02:32 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.americanthinker.com/articles...e_you.html

"...At present, the U.S. is 51 percent fully vaccinated. While that may not seem like success, if you break it down the numbers are more favorable. 62 percent of adults and 81 percent of the elderly are fully vaccinated. Another segment of the population has natural immunity based on having had COVID. Given natural infection as a second and more robust pathway toward herd immunity, America has done well....

What is the media not saying about the vaccine-hesitant?

As reported in Summit News, “A new report by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh has found that the most highly educated Americans are also the most vaccine hesitant.” This was not a survey of a few hundred, but of 5 million Americans.

They found a U-shaped curve with the greatest hesitancy among the least and most educated. “The most common concern for those who are hesitant to take the vaccine is potential side effects, with a lack of trust in government close behind in second."

So much for the media narrative that only the missing-teeth, knuckle-dragging, Neanderthal Trump supporters are against vaccination....

Public trust in government is quite low, at 24 percent, according to Pew Research. If the government says to take the vaccine, three of four may question that. Is that vaccine-hesitancy or government hesitancy?

Another group, not mentioned as vaccine-hesitant, is blacks. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the white vaccination rate is 1.3 times higher than for blacks. This is not education level-related but instead may be a mistrust of “government benevolence,” a remnant of the Tuskegee syphilis studies where the U.S. government withheld disease treatment in blacks as an experiment to learn the natural history of syphilis.

Blacks also voted overwhelmingly for Joe Biden and the Democrats. In exchange, their neighborhoods and businesses were destroyed by Democrat-backed BLM riots and police defunding. Their distrust of government may be well justified....

Regardless of motivations, disparate groups of Americans, independent of political affiliation, are vaccine-hesitant, contrary to the media narrative. It’s a public health disservice for the media to politicize everything, including the COVID vaccines."

My only question is about the what constitutes..."vaccine hesitant"? I was hesitant but took the both shots of Moderna. I hope this poll narrowed that question down more than that.

Vaccine hesitant is a more accurate way of describing those who haven't yet taken the jab. Those wishing to divide us and pit us against each other call them anti-vaxxers, which isn't true, as many have had all their other vaccines.

(08-30-2021 08:07 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]Vaccine hesitant is a more accurate way of describing those who haven't yet taken the jab. Those wishing to divide us and pit us against each other call them anti-vaxxers, which isn't true, as many have had all their other vaccines.

I understand that. I also understand that pollsters often seek to obtain results that they favor by asking questions in a particular manner. This is probably not the case here..but..what poll is completely unbiased?

So many two faced people

I would say I'm not vaccinated but I don't consider it a vaccine. I haven't got the shots and will not get them.

I've already had the virus and if affected me like a mild version of the flu.

I have natural immunity which IMO gives me better protection that big pharma's "vaccine".

Ever wonder why natural immunity is never talked about by the media or the government?.... because it's free.

I am not “vaccinated”... however, I do have this nifty natural immunity.

(08-30-2021 09:01 PM)chrisd11 Wrote: [ -> ]I would say I'm not vaccinated but I don't consider it a vaccine. I haven't got the shots and will not get them.

I've already had the virus and if affected me like a mild version of the flu.

I have natural immunity which IMO gives me better protection that big pharma's "vaccine".

Ever wonder why natural immunity is never talked about by the media or the government?.... because it's free.

While I wasn't diagnosed with it I swear I came down with it the day after Christmas 2019. I have lingering effects of it to this day. I was sick as a dog for a good 3 weeks. It took all of '20 and and a couple of months into '21 before my energy levels returned to normal, I was very fatigued for a long time. There was a physical sensation I walked around with for months and months feeling just on the verge of a cold.

I've been around numerous people who've had it and I haven't had so much as a sniffle all year. I'm undoubtedly exposed to it in my work environment, family members and friends have gotten it and I'm fine so far.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but this is something entirely different.

I won't be getting "vaccinated" unless I'm somehow forced to.

(08-30-2021 10:25 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2021 09:01 PM)chrisd11 Wrote: [ -> ]I would say I'm not vaccinated but I don't consider it a vaccine. I haven't got the shots and will not get them.

I've already had the virus and if affected me like a mild version of the flu.

I have natural immunity which IMO gives me better protection that big pharma's "vaccine".

Ever wonder why natural immunity is never talked about by the media or the government?.... because it's free.

While I wasn't diagnosed with it I swear I came down with it the day after Christmas 2019. I have lingering effects of it to this day. I was sick as a dog for a good 3 weeks. It took all of '20 and and a couple of months into '21 before my energy levels returned to normal, I was very fatigued for a long time. There was a physical sensation I walked around with for months and months feeling just on the verge of a cold.

I've been around numerous people who've had it and I haven't had so much as a sniffle all year. I'm undoubtedly exposed to it in my work environment, family members and friends have gotten it and I'm fine so far.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but this is something entirely different.

I won't be getting "vaccinated" unless I'm somehow forced to.

You can get an antibody test for about $20 and it'll tell you if you have the antibodies

(08-31-2021 06:05 AM)bobdizole Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2021 10:25 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2021 09:01 PM)chrisd11 Wrote: [ -> ]I would say I'm not vaccinated but I don't consider it a vaccine. I haven't got the shots and will not get them.

I've already had the virus and if affected me like a mild version of the flu.

I have natural immunity which IMO gives me better protection that big pharma's "vaccine".

Ever wonder why natural immunity is never talked about by the media or the government?.... because it's free.

While I wasn't diagnosed with it I swear I came down with it the day after Christmas 2019. I have lingering effects of it to this day. I was sick as a dog for a good 3 weeks. It took all of '20 and and a couple of months into '21 before my energy levels returned to normal, I was very fatigued for a long time. There was a physical sensation I walked around with for months and months feeling just on the verge of a cold.

I've been around numerous people who've had it and I haven't had so much as a sniffle all year. I'm undoubtedly exposed to it in my work environment, family members and friends have gotten it and I'm fine so far.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but this is something entirely different.

I won't be getting "vaccinated" unless I'm somehow forced to.

You can get an antibody test for about $20 and it'll tell you if you have the antibodies

Thank you.

I prefer the term "uncontaminated"

(08-30-2021 08:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]My only question is about the what constitutes..."vaccine hesitant"? I was hesitant but took the both shots of Moderna. I hope this poll narrowed that question down more than that.

My interpretation of "vaccine hesitant" are the group of people more or less on the fence about getting a Covid shot. They can be persuaded by speaking to their family physician or by public health outreach.

"Vaccine resistant" are the people who can't be convinced to take the shot no matter what.

(08-30-2021 02:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2021 02:32 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]Public trust in government is quite low, at 24 percent, according to Pew Research.

1. Can hardly believe the % is that high.

2. That’s almost exactly the % that was pro-Truman when his presidency ended in 1952, or that was pro-Nixon when he resigned in 1974. Problems of sampling were just as challenging then, as now. Perhaps more so. But still.

Truman? I thought he was a fairly popular President. Is my thinking wrong?

Actually, Truman is one of my top-5 favorite Presidents. Funny because he was a Democrat. But he was handed a completely raw deal from FDR in a lot of areas, and he did a great job salvaging what he could. He confronted the Soviets where necessary, handled some very tricky negotiations to get Greece and Turkey in the same alliance, and made sure that Japan and West Germany would become some of our best allies in the decades to come.

Many thought Truman did not do enough to curb the Soviet threat and I think in 1952, many thought the Korean War was not going well.

Truman let the Commies take China without giving any substantial non-combatant support to Chang Kai-shek. We had a ****-ton of surplus WWII weapons already in theater and just sat on it. Hell, between 45 and 46 with just a little backing from us we could have contained Mao to Manchuria and kept the rest of China out of Commie hands.

Sorry, but Bess's man finishes in the lower half of my President's List for that alone.

(08-31-2021 08:23 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2021 08:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]My only question is about the what constitutes..."vaccine hesitant"? I was hesitant but took the both shots of Moderna. I hope this poll narrowed that question down more than that.

My interpretation of "vaccine hesitant" are the group of people more or less on the fence about getting a Covid shot. They can be persuaded by speaking to their family physician or by public health outreach.

"Vaccine resistant" are the people who can't be convinced to take the shot no matter what.

Thats pretty fair.

You also have a group known as the "vaccine simps." They promote getting jabs just because they were told to do so by some bureaucrat without regards to readily available scientific data. They also dont understand that:

1. These are not vaccines
2. The "vaccine" doesnt prevent the spread
3. You will still get covid with the vaccine.
4. In most age groups, the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of covid.

Both two shot vaccines cause heart problems in young men

But greater good and all. First drug in history for this to be acceptable.
I love the word "predicted".

Quote:So for every million doses given to boys 16- to 17-years-old, more than 70 of them could expect to experience the heart-related side effect. At the same time, more than 56,000 people would avoid contracting the virus that causes COVID-19, and another 500 would avoid hospitalization, scientists predicted.

Get the jab, don't get the jab, but why is it that all the pro-jab people insist on riding the nuts of the ones who don't want it?

They insist on the one hand they're perfectly safe once they've gotten the jab and then insist on the other that no one is safe until everyone gets the jab and yet don't understand why they get called out as two faced.