The AAC has toyed with a coast-2-coast model and Boise St/SDSU were briefly admitted before to the conference for FB.
Will the concept resurrect itself in the XII? Here are the problems they face at the moment.
-Only 7 conference games while the P4 is looking at 10+ w/ super conferences.
-Mostly stuck in the Central time zone and could use a real branching out.
-WVU is a decidedly eastern member to build an eastern division.
-A few of the XII teams lean west and could lay the footer for a western division.
Could there be a way to go full out coast-2-coast with the XII?
It would need to be a very large conference.
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, South Florida, Temple, West Virginia
North: Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech
South: Houston, Memphis, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulane
West: Air Force, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, San Diego St, Tulsa
C2C option:
West: SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Texas Tech
Central: Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St, Kansas, K-State, Iowa St
East: Temple, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF
That would cut out SMU/Houston for the sake of saving space in the Central division.
Backfills:
AAC (Rice, UAB, ODU, FAU)-Back to 10
MWC (UTEP, UNT)-Back to 10
CUSA (TxSt, Georgia St)-Back to 10
SBC (Lamar, Chattanooga)-Back to 10
Conferences by D1 size
P5 total (75)
XII (18)
SEC (16)
ACC (15)
B1G (14)
PAC (12)
G5 total (52)
MAC (12)
AAC (10)
MWC (10)
SBC (10)
The L8 Can add 6 schools, 3 in the west, and 3 in the east, to accomplish a coast-2-coast conference.
BYU/BSU/SDSU
Cinci/Houston/UCF
They say markets don't matter, but thats only kinda true. Salt Lake and San Diego are both top 30 DMAs, and Boise and BYU both have pretty good followings. Houston may not be popular with fans from TCU/TTU/Baylor, but its like the top recruiting ground in the country and is also a top TV DMA. Orlando is a top 20 DMA with good recruiting as well. That leaves Cinci, which is in Ohio, which is also a top recruiting region in the country. These 6 schools provide the right combo of eyeballs, recruiting, established fan bases to be a home run. You could easily swap out SDSU for Memphis and achieve the same thing for the most part.
IMO, the issue will be the feelings of the L8 which don't seem super rational to me at the moment. But come off season this will heat up.
(08-26-2021 03:11 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote: [ -> ]The L8 Can add 6 schools, 3 in the west, and 3 in the east, to accomplish a coast-2-coast conference.
BYU/BSU/SDSU
Cinci/Houston/UCF
They say markets don't matter, but thats only kinda true. Salt Lake and San Diego are both top 30 DMAs, and Boise and BYU both have pretty good followings. Houston may not be popular with fans from TCU/TTU/Baylor, but its like the top recruiting ground in the country and is also a top TV DMA. Orlando is a top 20 DMA with good recruiting as well. That leaves Cinci, which is in Ohio, which is also a top recruiting region in the country. These 6 schools provide the right combo of eyeballs, recruiting, established fan bases to be a home run. You could easily swap out SDSU for Memphis and achieve the same thing for the most part.
IMO, the issue will be the feelings of the L8 which don't seem super rational to me at the moment. But come off season this will heat up.
I just don't see how a 14-school conference works coast-to-coast. If XII adds 6, it'll be all to the East (assuming BYU says "no"): Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, SMU, and South Florida. BYU sub for SMU, if BYU says "yes." I think it'd need to be at least an 18-school conference to start to look West.
(08-26-2021 02:43 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]The AAC has toyed with a coast-2-coast model and Boise St/SDSU were briefly admitted before to the conference for FB.
Will the concept resurrect itself in the XII? Here are the problems they face at the moment.
-Only 7 conference games while the P4 is looking at 10+ w/ super conferences.
-Mostly stuck in the Central time zone and could use a real branching out.
-WVU is a decidedly eastern member to build an eastern division.
-A few of the XII teams lean west and could lay the footer for a western division.
Could there be a way to go full out coast-2-coast with the XII?
NO 
(08-26-2021 03:16 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 03:11 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote: [ -> ]The L8 Can add 6 schools, 3 in the west, and 3 in the east, to accomplish a coast-2-coast conference.
BYU/BSU/SDSU
Cinci/Houston/UCF
They say markets don't matter, but thats only kinda true. Salt Lake and San Diego are both top 30 DMAs, and Boise and BYU both have pretty good followings. Houston may not be popular with fans from TCU/TTU/Baylor, but its like the top recruiting ground in the country and is also a top TV DMA. Orlando is a top 20 DMA with good recruiting as well. That leaves Cinci, which is in Ohio, which is also a top recruiting region in the country. These 6 schools provide the right combo of eyeballs, recruiting, established fan bases to be a home run. You could easily swap out SDSU for Memphis and achieve the same thing for the most part.
IMO, the issue will be the feelings of the L8 which don't seem super rational to me at the moment. But come off season this will heat up.
I just don't see how a 14-school conference works coast-to-coast. If XII adds 6, it'll be all to the East (assuming BYU says "no"): Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, SMU, and South Florida. BYU sub for SMU, if BYU says "yes." I think it'd need to be at least an 18-school conference to start to look West.
18 makes it easier. Three divisions of 6 allows for 10 basketball games in division to save on travel.
A pod 16 option could be considered.
Pod 1: SDSU, UNLV, Boise, BYU
Pod 2: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston
Pod 3: Iowa St, OSU, Kansas, K-State
Pod 4: WVU, Temple, Cincinnati, UCF
This would at least get everyone playing a nice set of rivals in a pod.
(08-26-2021 03:16 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 03:11 PM)AztecEmpire Wrote: [ -> ]The L8 Can add 6 schools, 3 in the west, and 3 in the east, to accomplish a coast-2-coast conference.
BYU/BSU/SDSU
Cinci/Houston/UCF
They say markets don't matter, but thats only kinda true. Salt Lake and San Diego are both top 30 DMAs, and Boise and BYU both have pretty good followings. Houston may not be popular with fans from TCU/TTU/Baylor, but its like the top recruiting ground in the country and is also a top TV DMA. Orlando is a top 20 DMA with good recruiting as well. That leaves Cinci, which is in Ohio, which is also a top recruiting region in the country. These 6 schools provide the right combo of eyeballs, recruiting, established fan bases to be a home run. You could easily swap out SDSU for Memphis and achieve the same thing for the most part.
IMO, the issue will be the feelings of the L8 which don't seem super rational to me at the moment. But come off season this will heat up.
I just don't see how a 14-school conference works coast-to-coast. If XII adds 6, it'll be all to the East (assuming BYU says "no"): Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, SMU, and South Florida. BYU sub for SMU, if BYU says "yes." I think it'd need to be at least an 18-school conference to start to look West.
Couple of things, I don't think the B12 adds more than 6, I honestly think the sweet sport is 4. The L8 will want to maintain control and perception as much as possible. 6 addititions means you split the L8 in half and put 4 in each division.
BYU/BSU/SDSU join TTU/TCU/KSt/OkSt
CINCI/HOU/UCF join WVU/Bay/KU/IowaSt
Then each is given one protected cross-over in which the G5 are matched and the L8 are matched (BYU/Hou, BSU/UCF, SDSU/Cinci) & (KU/Kst, Okst/Bay, WVU/TTU, TCU/IowaSt). And you have 2 Texas schools in each division which will always be important for recruiting. This conference can provide content in all time slots and will be very good in Basketball.
I do think there is a chance BYU says no and if so the western side could fall apart or consist only of Boise.
(08-26-2021 03:01 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]C2C option:
West: SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Texas Tech
Central: Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St, Kansas, K-State, Iowa St
East: Temple, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF
That would cut out SMU/Houston for the sake of saving space in the Central division.
Backfills:
AAC (Rice, UAB, ODU, FAU)-Back to 10
MWC (UTEP, UNT)-Back to 10
CUSA (TxSt, Georgia St)-Back to 10
SBC (Lamar, Chattanooga)-Back to 10
Conferences by D1 size
P5 total (75)
XII (18)
SEC (16)
ACC (15)
B1G (14)
PAC (12)
G5 total (52)
MAC (12)
AAC (10)
MWC (10)
SBC (10)
I think it would be more realistic that James Madison and another east coast school would be invited up to the CUSA. Texas State and Georgia State would not move to the CUSA in this instance.
I doubt it. They'll go as far West as BYU and then look eastward taking 3 from AAC. I'd say UC, UCF & Memphis. If BYU says no then either double down in FL with USF or quadruple down in Texas with Houston. I really don't know how the Texas politics in the Little 8 would work with regard to Houston. They'd be one of the best schools available, I don't think they'd necessarily need more exposure in the Houston area with the other TX schools but would they want them to keep some TX identity and a reliable voting block? I don't know. If they want UH and BYU agrees then BYU, UH, UC & UCF and stop. My crystal ball cracked a long time ago though.
Temple to BYU is about as far as I could see it.
(08-26-2021 03:48 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 03:01 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]C2C option:
West: SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Texas Tech
Central: Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St, Kansas, K-State, Iowa St
East: Temple, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF
That would cut out SMU/Houston for the sake of saving space in the Central division.
Backfills:
AAC (Rice, UAB, ODU, FAU)-Back to 10
MWC (UTEP, UNT)-Back to 10
CUSA (TxSt, Georgia St)-Back to 10
SBC (Lamar, Chattanooga)-Back to 10
Conferences by D1 size
P5 total (75)
XII (18)
SEC (16)
ACC (15)
B1G (14)
PAC (12)
G5 total (52)
MAC (12)
AAC (10)
MWC (10)
SBC (10)
I think it would be more realistic that James Madison and another east coast school would be invited up to the CUSA. Texas State and Georgia State would not move to the CUSA in this instance.
Then Lamar and Chattanooga to CUSA then instead and SBC stays intact.
(08-26-2021 03:48 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 03:01 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]C2C option:
West: SDSU, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Texas Tech
Central: Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St, Kansas, K-State, Iowa St
East: Temple, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF
That would cut out SMU/Houston for the sake of saving space in the Central division.
Backfills:
AAC (Rice, UAB, ODU, FAU)-Back to 10
MWC (UTEP, UNT)-Back to 10
CUSA (TxSt, Georgia St)-Back to 10
SBC (Lamar, Chattanooga)-Back to 10
Conferences by D1 size
P5 total (75)
XII (18)
SEC (16)
ACC (15)
B1G (14)
PAC (12)
G5 total (52)
MAC (12)
AAC (10)
MWC (10)
SBC (10)
I think it would be more realistic that James Madison and another east coast school would be invited up to the CUSA. Texas State and Georgia State would not move to the CUSA in this instance.
I doubt JMU would move to that CUSA either and I don't think ODU would move to the AAC in that scenario.
I think it’s a solid no. The Big 12 only really needs to add 2-4 schools.
BYU is the only Western school that makes sense to add and it’s not a sure thing that they’d give up independence.
All the other candidates are in Eastern or Central time zones.
NOPE.. Big12 survies as P5 and expands 2 or 4 schools
(08-26-2021 07:55 PM)GTFletch Wrote: [ -> ]NOPE.. Big12 survies as P5 and expands 2 or 4 schools
If you expand by 4 it starts to really stretch the geography.
Limb1: Cincinnati
Hand1: West Virginia
Limb2: BYU
Hand2: Boise St
Leg1: Baylor
Foot1: Tech
Foot2: UCF
Head: Iowa St
Quickly you have a Frankenstein monster.
If instead you go all east the possibility is there to have 2 full divisions at 7 a piece which make some sense.
West: Tech, Baylor, TCU, OSU, KSU, KU, ISU
East: Temple, WVU, UC, Memphis, Tulane, UCF, USF
This way all the Big 8 and SWC schools can stick together in one division which is what they probably would prefer.
(08-27-2021 10:05 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 07:55 PM)GTFletch Wrote: [ -> ]NOPE.. Big12 survies as P5 and expands 2 or 4 schools
If you expand by 4 it starts to really stretch the geography.
Limb1: Cincinnati
Hand1: West Virginia
Limb2: BYU
Hand2: Boise St
Leg1: Baylor
Foot1: Tech
Foot2: UCF
Head: Iowa St
Quickly you have a Frankenstein monster.
If instead you go all east the possibility is there to have 2 full divisions at 7 a piece which make some sense.
West: Tech, Baylor, TCU, OSU, KSU, KU, ISU
East: Temple, WVU, UC, Memphis, Tulane, UCF, USF
This way all the Big 8 and SWC schools can stick together in one division which is what they probably would prefer.
You lost me at Temple.
You cannot afford to walk away from the Houston TV Market.
The stupid and ridiculous continues to grow on this board.....
The L8 is too conservative; 4 teams is probably the most they will add if any.
Just like in 2010, the available brand value and television revenue just doesn't support it (a non-5 coast-to-coast conference). Could a national coast-to-coast conference still happen (i.e. a B1G acquisition of the PAC)? Of course (and some would say very likely in the coming decade). However, for a non-P conference, there just isn't enough support for it and will continue to remain fan fiction on realignment boards.
The Big 12 can (and likely will) only go as far west as BYU and as East to UCF. A far conference, no doubt. But not coast-to-coast by any stretch.