Is that invite coming from 8 schools, or 3???
Here lies the AAC
2013-2021
(08-26-2021 08:21 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote: [ -> ]Here lies the AAC
2013-2021
Sun Belt, the new P6.
Obviously the Big 12 is no longer seem as a power conference seeing that the alliance completely left them out of their little club. I’d be very Leary of making that jump to them just to find out you ended up in another AAC type conference that now spans Boise to south Florida. Nothing like a conference with all 4 time zones. And the TV contract after 2025 won’t be any better then the current AAC deal.
(08-26-2021 08:58 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]Obviously the Big 12 is no longer seem as a power conference seeing that the alliance completely left them out of their little club. I’d be very Leary of making that jump to them just to find out you ended up in another AAC type conference that now spans Boise to south Florida. Nothing like a conference with all 4 time zones. And the TV contract after 2025 won’t be any better then the current AAC deal.
The Big XII was left out if the alliance because of instability, not because they aren't a power conference. I know UCF doesn't hold the value of Texas, but one could postulate that they have been playing better football for the past decade or so.
Which brings me to my next point, I hope Louisiana not only beats Texas but I hope that they do it convincingly. It would be helpful to App come December when App is sitting at 13-0 and the committee is still debating whether or not they should get the NY6 or not. But closer to home, it would immietedly become a joke in Texas rhat they want to move to the SEC but can't beat a "Sun Belt team".
Not that the insult carries as much weight as it did when the FU's, WKU, and MTSU were in the conference.
(08-26-2021 08:58 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]Obviously the Big 12 is no longer seem as a power conference seeing that the alliance completely left them out of their little club. I’d be very Leary of making that jump to them just to find out you ended up in another AAC type conference that now spans Boise to south Florida. Nothing like a conference with all 4 time zones. And the TV contract after 2025 won’t be any better then the current AAC deal.
It's hard to be a Big 12 member currently. The conference obviously wants to stay alive, but the Pac-12 and Big 10 can easily take a few teams and completely kill the conference.
I still believe a Big 12 composed of BYU and the AAC teams is still a very strong conference, and probably the best basketball conference in the nation.
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Oklahoma State
West Virginia
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Memphis
Cincinnati
UCF
It would probably be better than the Pac-12 in football and basketball.
Big 12 dissolution is still the most likely outcome here.
If Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor are left out. Do they all go to the AAC or do they keep the BIG 12 name and start inviting 7 teams to join them.
New BIG 12
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU
Cincinnati
UCF
Memphis
Houston
SMU
BYU
Boise st
That leave the AAC with
USF
Navy
Tulsa
Tulane
East Carolina
Temple
(08-26-2021 09:15 AM)ericsaid Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 08:58 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]Obviously the Big 12 is no longer seem as a power conference seeing that the alliance completely left them out of their little club. I’d be very Leary of making that jump to them just to find out you ended up in another AAC type conference that now spans Boise to south Florida. Nothing like a conference with all 4 time zones. And the TV contract after 2025 won’t be any better then the current AAC deal.
The Big XII was left out if the alliance because of instability, not because they aren't a power conference. I know UCF doesn't hold the value of Texas, but one could postulate that they have been playing better football for the past decade or so.
Which brings me to my next point, I hope Louisiana not only beats Texas but I hope that they do it convincingly. It would be helpful to App come December when App is sitting at 13-0 and the committee is still debating whether or not they should get the NY6 or not. But closer to home, it would immietedly become a joke in Texas rhat they want to move to the SEC but can't beat a "Sun Belt team".
Not that the insult carries as much weight as it did when the FU's, WKU, and MTSU were in the conference.
Eric, I am worried about the point you make about TX not being able to beat a SBC team and how the folks pulling strings would make sure that didn't happen. Yes, I'm talking about those flags being pulled for no apparent reason to avoid a catastrophe. But, the more I've thought about it, the more I believe those B12 refs are not too happy with what TX and OU are doing to their conference. This might work in our favor or at the very least, they call a fair game for both sides.
Oh, getting into the NY6 game will be difficult with a 12-1 record.
Good point about the B12 refs. Maybe you will get a fair shake after all. Good luck on gigging the Horns!
The Big 12 sure likes pursuing schools that will be on an island. The only way UCF makes sense to me is with another school to bridge the gap. UCF, Memphis and Cincinnati may all be in play.
(08-26-2021 09:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Big 12 dissolution is still the most likely outcome here.
Why? They have a seat at the table, AAC does not. They are still attractive and are still a P5 conference with or without Texas and Oklahoma.
(08-26-2021 10:23 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 09:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Big 12 dissolution is still the most likely outcome here.
Why? They have a seat at the table, AAC does not. They are still attractive and are still a P5 conference with or without Texas and Oklahoma.
I agree...no reason for the Big 12 to completely go away unless all of it's current members get landing spots in the other Power Conferences.
So was the Big East, until they weren’t anymore. The Big 12 will be a “P5” until 2025, then they won’t be anymore.
Y’all do realize there is no such thing as “P5” and “G5” right??? It’s purely a media title. There was the Automatic Five, they were the 5 conferences that automatically qualified for the BCS bowl games. That is were that monicker started.
The conferences that comprise the Power Five are designated by the NCAA, individually by name, as "autonomy conferences". Section 5.3.2.1 of the NCAA Constitution grants such conferences autonomy "to permit the use of resources to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes and for legislative changes that will otherwise enhance student-athlete well-being". Eleven areas of autonomy are listed, including promotional activities unrelated to athletics participation, pre-enrollment expenses and support, and financial aid.
(08-26-2021 10:35 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]So was the Big East, until they weren’t anymore. The Big 12 will be a “P5” until 2025, then they won’t be anymore.
Y’all do realize there is no such thing as “P5” and “G5” right??? It’s purely a media title. There was the Automatic Five, they were the 5 conferences that automatically qualified for the BCS bowl games. That is were that monicker started.
The conferences that comprise the Power Five are designated by the NCAA, individually by name, as "autonomy conferences". Section 5.3.2.1 of the NCAA Constitution grants such conferences autonomy "to permit the use of resources to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes and for legislative changes that will otherwise enhance student-athlete well-being". Eleven areas of autonomy are listed, including promotional activities unrelated to athletics participation, pre-enrollment expenses and support, and financial aid.
Isn't the Big 12 specifically named in the NCAA bylaws as an autonomous conference? If so they will at least continue to be at the table with the other four unless all 10 FBS conferences vote to change that.
I think the Big XII expansion relies on 3 things.
1. Does the B1G want Kansas and Iowa State
2. Will the PAC-12 honestly expand to add OKST and Kansas State
3. Does West Virginia go to the ACC
Answers:
1. They don't need those schools
2. They don't need those schools
3. Maybe but I am not convinced.
Therefore the AAC/MWC are the two most likely to get raided.
Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, UCF, Colorado State, BYU, Boise State, and San Diego State could be the options.
If AAC drops to 7 I imagine they add 2-3 schools, get to 9-10, and stop there.
The MWC could drop to 10 if they lose 2 of the aforementioned schools and stay there.
Therefore I don't see much movement in the CUSA, Sun Belt, or MAC.
(08-26-2021 10:38 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2021 10:35 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]So was the Big East, until they weren’t anymore. The Big 12 will be a “P5” until 2025, then they won’t be anymore.
Y’all do realize there is no such thing as “P5” and “G5” right??? It’s purely a media title. There was the Automatic Five, they were the 5 conferences that automatically qualified for the BCS bowl games. That is were that monicker started.
The conferences that comprise the Power Five are designated by the NCAA, individually by name, as "autonomy conferences". Section 5.3.2.1 of the NCAA Constitution grants such conferences autonomy "to permit the use of resources to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes and for legislative changes that will otherwise enhance student-athlete well-being". Eleven areas of autonomy are listed, including promotional activities unrelated to athletics participation, pre-enrollment expenses and support, and financial aid.
Isn't the Big 12 specifically named in the NCAA bylaws as an autonomous conference? If so they will at least continue to be at the table with the other four unless all 10 FBS conferences vote to change that.
The Big East was an autonomous conference, see how that worked out for them.
(08-26-2021 09:59 AM)statefanatic Wrote: [ -> ]If Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor are left out. Do they all go to the AAC or do they keep the BIG 12 name and start inviting 7 teams to join them.
New BIG 12
Baylor
Texas Tech
TCU
Cincinnati
UCF
Memphis
Houston
SMU
BYU
Boise st
Boise and Provo are waaaaay to much of out of the way.
Even Boise ID to Provo UT is 385 miles. The next closest school for Boisie is Texas Tech in Lubbock TX is 1,253 miles. And Provo to Lubbock is 872 miles. Which is almost the exact distance for WVUs closest B12 school as Morgantown WV to Ames IA is 878 miles away.
Even a football only wouldn't make much sense. The MWC wouldn't let them stay and the WCC would only be a pipe dream. My guess Boise would have to go to the Big West for basketball and olympic sports. The closet school to Boise in the Big West is UC Davis at 567 miles.
(08-26-2021 08:58 AM)Usajags Wrote: [ -> ]Obviously the Big 12 is no longer seem as a power conference seeing that the alliance completely left them out of their little club. I’d be very Leary of making that jump to them just to find out you ended up in another AAC type conference that now spans Boise to south Florida. Nothing like a conference with all 4 time zones. And the TV contract after 2025 won’t be any better then the current AAC deal.
not sure I would say that. among the remaining teams are several schools that are usually in the top ten of practically every sport. Baylor TCU OSU WVU TTECH are still top ahtletic programs and throw in Kansas for basketball and you have a whole conference fielding teams at or near the top of their sport not an AAC where some are good one year and some are good another year. I only see a ucf add as helping WVU not be an outlier. besides ucf is one of the largest schools in the country.