With the addition of Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, the SEC is going to need two more bowl slots. And with only 8 or 9 conference games, any given team has 6-7 SEC conference mates who they don't play in the regular season.
So why not have an all-SEC bowl game? Birmingham would be the logical location, but even with the new UAB stadium, the city is kind of a dump compared to other SEC bowl destinations (NFL stadiums, major league cities). Maybe Nashville, maybe somewhere else.
Assuming the SEC moves to a 9 game schedule, and keeps 2 8 team divisions, you play 7 division games, your cross-division rival, and one other cross-division game. I think that leaves 8x6 = 48 options for matchups for the SEC East-West Bowl that don't happen in the regular season.
Why split the payout from a mid-tier bowl game with the ACC or Big Ten or Big 12, when the SEC could keep both halves?
You know what - that isn’t crazy. Frankly, the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 could do the same for divisional matchups that didn’t occur during the year. I wouldn’t replace an upper level bowl with that type of matchup, but it may honestly be more attractive than playing a G5 school in a lower tier bowl.
A bowl game within an hour of Destin (mobile to Pensacola) would be wildly successful, but I don’t think there’s a sizable facility. Birmingham is up and coming, but not a tourist destination at the moment. Nice idea though. Maybe Nashville works.
Sugar Bowl is going to need a new matchup....
(08-15-2021 09:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]With the addition of Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, the SEC is going to need two more bowl slots.
1. It is brilliant. Because it shows how ridiculous conference realignment and expansion has gotten
2. The SEC does NOT NEED two more bowl slots. The SEC has too many to begin with. Newsflash: Half those teams suck. In every given year, half the SEC is going to be mediocre at best and suck a lot.
The SEC is going to get two more bowls, and ESPN is probably going to create and own them, like the own... what now? a third of bowls?
(08-16-2021 12:36 AM)JSchmack Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2021 09:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]With the addition of Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC, the SEC is going to need two more bowl slots.
1. It is brilliant. Because it shows how ridiculous conference realignment and expansion has gotten
2. The SEC does NOT NEED two more bowl slots. The SEC has too many to begin with. Newsflash: Half those teams suck. In every given year, half the SEC is going to be mediocre at best and suck a lot.
They may suck, but they have six wins and they sell tickets so they get a bowl game.
Quote:The SEC is going to get two more bowls, and ESPN is probably going to create and own them, like the own... what now? a third of bowls?
You're not wrong about that. Heck they can show this bowl on the SEC network
(08-15-2021 09:44 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]You know what - that isn’t crazy. Frankly, the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 could do the same for divisional matchups that didn’t occur during the year. I wouldn’t replace an upper level bowl with that type of matchup, but it may honestly be more attractive than playing a G5 school in a lower tier bowl.
Well, if this happens it gets pioneered by the SEC. First of all they've got 16 teams. So, even with three or four teams in the playoffs they have enough bowl eligibles to put a game together while still filling their other spots.
Second of all, The location of the SEC footprint--You've got plenty of options of existing mid tier bowl games that you could take over. Or, you have all the ingredients teams NFL caliber venues cities you can put together a mid tier bowl game in Atlanta or New Orleans or Nashville or Jacksonville or etc etc. (Remember what Jim boeheim said about playing a tournament in Greensboro? Yeah the SEC doesn't have that problem for bowl destinations). the Big Ten you have a big question of where you play this game. Detroit Indianapolis outside in Chicago?
Third of all ESEC 15 out of 16 programs are probably going to fill their half of a stadium without much problems. The ACC could put this kind of game in A half dozen stadiums in Florida, Atlanta, Charlotte. But if your match up that year is 6-6 Georgia tech versus 7-5 Piit I'm not sure you sell 50,000 tickets.
Well I would turn the SEC Championship game as the first official bowl game of the year, and petition that with 16 teams we would like to play two Semi games of the two top teams from the East and West divisions or take the top four with no divisions and play it out like the playoffs currently to crown your champion. This would make more money IMO than a SEC Bowl game on New Years Eve or early January.
(08-16-2021 06:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote: [ -> ]Well I would turn the SEC Championship game as the first official bowl game of the year, and petition that with 16 teams we would like to play two Semi games of the two top teams from the East and West divisions or take the top four with no divisions and play it out like the playoffs currently to crown your champion. This would make more money IMO than a SEC Bowl game on New Years Eve or early January.
That's a higher change than just putting 2 SEC teams in the Birmingham Bowl, or making a second Nashville SEC East vs West bowl. I think the other conferences would say "lol no", at least at first.
But there's no rules against an all-SEC bowl game, and I think fans of a 6-6 Florida would rather play a 6-6 Arkansas than a 6-6 Virginia or Minnesota or Cal.
(08-16-2021 06:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote: [ -> ]Well I would turn the SEC Championship game as the first official bowl game of the year, and petition that with 16 teams we would like to play two Semi games of the two top teams from the East and West divisions or take the top four with no divisions and play it out like the playoffs currently to crown your champion. This would make more money IMO than a SEC Bowl game on New Years Eve or early January.
If the Alliance against the SEC pushes too hard you may get just that
At what point does the SEC say screw you and do their own thing
(08-16-2021 07:07 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2021 06:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote: [ -> ]Well I would turn the SEC Championship game as the first official bowl game of the year, and petition that with 16 teams we would like to play two Semi games of the two top teams from the East and West divisions or take the top four with no divisions and play it out like the playoffs currently to crown your champion. This would make more money IMO than a SEC Bowl game on New Years Eve or early January.
If the Alliance against the SEC pushes too hard you may get just that
At what point does the SEC say screw you and do their own thing
Clearly my modest proposal is not nearly crazy enough for the hungry CSNBBS masses.
(08-15-2021 09:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]Why split the payout from a mid-tier bowl game with the ACC or Big Ten or Big 12, when the SEC could keep both halves?
An interesting idea. But one that makes me pause. I think it is possible for a conference to get 'too big', swallow more than it can chew, even if what it is chewing is good stuff, like a 3-foot banana split or a 50 ounce steak.
If the SEC grows much larger, it will in-effect be two conferences under one umbrella. That, IMO, would inevitably lead to a cleavage, a formal split, leaving both new conferences less powerful than when the SEC was at 12 or 14 schools.
If a conference is at the point where a bowl game between members makes sense, and you make a good argument that it might, then the SEC might be nearing this point of self-disruption, and back down from it.
If I am the commissioner of a 16-team SEC, a league large enough to actually split in to two conferences with the minimum number of football schools, I would be looking for ways to integrate the conference more. This bowl idea ... I'm not sure it does that, or doesn't do that. I'm not sure.
Taking away the CCG? It’ll be a disaster to have two teams from the same conference play each other in a bowl game.
Members of the same conference playing in the same bowl game has happened prior. There was that pre-BCS 1979 Orange Bowl game that was an Oklahoma-Nebraska re-match.
(08-16-2021 08:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]Taking away the CCG? It’ll be a disaster to have two teams from the same conference play each other in a bowl game.
Just to clarify:
That's not what I'm saying. CCG, CFP, Citrus Bowls don't change. :
I'm sayying that instead of
6-6 Arkansas s 8-4 Iowa State I'm Memphis and
7-5 Tennessee vs 6-6 North Carolina in Charlotte
You have Arkansas vs Tennessee in Birmingham
(08-16-2021 07:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2021 09:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]Why split the payout from a mid-tier bowl game with the ACC or Big Ten or Big 12, when the SEC could keep both halves?
An interesting idea. But one that makes me pause. I think it is possible for a conference to get 'too big', swallow more than it can chew, even if what it is chewing is good stuff, like a 3-foot banana split or a 50 ounce steak.
If the SEC grows much larger, it will in-effect be two conferences under one umbrella. That, IMO, would inevitably lead to a cleavage, a formal split, leaving both new conferences less powerful than when the SEC was at 12 or 14 schools.
If a conference is at the point where a bowl game between members makes sense, and you make a good argument that it might, then the SEC might be nearing this point of self-disruption, and back down from it.
If I am the commissioner of a 16-team SEC, a league large enough to actually split in to two conferences with the minimum number of football schools, I would be looking for ways to integrate the conference more. This bowl idea ... I'm not sure it does that, or doesn't do that. I'm not sure.
It think it does. You have 2 schools that practically never play each other in football, meeting in a bowl in SEC Country and Chanting SEC SEC
(08-16-2021 08:03 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote: [ -> ]Members of the same conference playing in the same bowl game has happened prior. There was that pre-BCS 1979 Orange Bowl game that was an Oklahoma-Nebraska re-match.
It's happened at least twice with SEC teams in the Sugar Bowl: Ole Miss-LSU after the 1959 season, and Alabama-Ole Miss after the 1963 season.
The SEC formerly played only six conference games, so there was less chance of a rematch in a bowl game.
Arizona Bowl 2015:
Colorado State vs. Nevada.
This was not a rematch of a conference game.
(08-16-2021 08:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2021 08:01 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]Taking away the CCG? It’ll be a disaster to have two teams from the same conference play each other in a bowl game.
Just to clarify:
That's not what I'm saying. CCG, CFP, Citrus Bowls don't change. :
I'm sayying that instead of
6-6 Arkansas s 8-4 Iowa State I'm Memphis and
7-5 Tennessee vs 6-6 North Carolina in Charlotte
You have Arkansas vs Tennessee in Birmingham
The new stadium in Birmingham would be perfect for this. It's not huge, but this isn't a huge bowl game. It's just two mid-to-low range SEC teams that didn't play in the regular season.
Some existing smaller bowls would sign up for this as well...I can think of Nashville, Memphis, and Houston off the top of my head. Shreveport would kill for this game.
(08-15-2021 09:36 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]So why not have an all-SEC bowl game? Birmingham would be the logical location, but even with the new UAB stadium, the city is kind of a dump compared to other SEC bowl destinations (NFL stadiums, major league cities). Maybe Nashville, maybe somewhere else.
That's largely what the SEC title game has become.