In particular, the Big Ten and the Pac 12. Does E$PN feel that having OU and Texas is so huge that they can be content with not having Big Ten or Pac 12 ganes??? Because I see both conferences dumping E$PN if OU and Texas to the SEC happen.
(07-21-2021 06:28 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]In particular, the Big Ten and the Pac 12. Does E$PN feel that having OU and Texas is so huge that they can be content with not having Big Ten or Pac 12 ganes??? Because I see both conferences dumping E$PN if OU and Texas to the SEC happen.
Overall this doesn't really change ESPN's need or desire for either the B1G or P12. At the end of the day ESPN will still want access to B1G games and they still need the Pac-12 for their late night window.
(07-21-2021 06:28 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]In particular, the Big Ten and the Pac 12. Does E$PN feel that having OU and Texas is so huge that they can be content with not having Big Ten or Pac 12 ganes??? Because I see both conferences dumping E$PN if OU and Texas to the SEC happen.
I think the bigger question would be the loss of compelling Big 12 content. I think the B1G and Pac 12 both want to remain on ESPN and I think ESPN wants them too. Because without some diversify ESPN become the SEC network part two.
I don't know how important Big 12 is to ESPN. But Fox will suck them up if ESPN doesn't want them.
We think the B1G will have to match w/ 16 right? I do. But what is the punishment for an ACC team leaving?
Fox should take the B1G PAC as a package. ESPN has filler content with MWC games in the west coast. Also ESPN with a cheaper Big 12+ BYU home game can fill out that 9pm ET slot along with Boise St. Not sure what it would mean for the Rose Bowl contract but I think it’s value will be greatly diminished with the 12 team playoff.
I don’t think ESPN wants the entire tier 1 package for P5 after this realignment wave.
Long run yes, it's worth it.
ESPN will eat a couple years of bad contract with the Big 12, promote them like they do the American as a conference who deserves more respect -- that will help mitigate the short term loss.
But long run, and even short run, wow does the SEC get a boost.
Bad contract with the Big 12?? I'm talking with the Big Ten and the Pac 12 Stugray. E$PN will lose them too. Is it worth it to E$PN???
(07-21-2021 10:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]Bad contract with the Big 12?? I'm talking with the Big Ten and the Pac 12 Stugray. E$PN will lose them too. Is it worth it to E$PN???
Why would they lose the B1G or P12 deals?
I am certain both conferences want to maximize their money, and will continue to build packages to sell to two suitors, much like the NFL does. And one of those, just like the current contract, will be ESPN.
(07-21-2021 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2021 10:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]Bad contract with the Big 12?? I'm talking with the Big Ten and the Pac 12 Stugray. E$PN will lose them too. Is it worth it to E$PN???
Why would they lose the B1G or P12 deals?
I am certain both conferences want to maximize their money, and will continue to build packages to sell to two suitors, much like the NFL does. And one of those, just like the current contract, will be ESPN.
Why would they lose the B1G and P12 deals? Because of E$PN openly putting the SEC ahead of the B1G and the Pac 12. I am certain that both conferences want to sell to two suitors, but E$PN
must be punished for their actions. Therefore they lose the contract, which now goes to....CBS, IMHO.
(07-21-2021 10:32 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2021 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2021 10:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]Bad contract with the Big 12?? I'm talking with the Big Ten and the Pac 12 Stugray. E$PN will lose them too. Is it worth it to E$PN???
Why would they lose the B1G or P12 deals?
I am certain both conferences want to maximize their money, and will continue to build packages to sell to two suitors, much like the NFL does. And one of those, just like the current contract, will be ESPN.
Why would they lose the B1G and P12 deals? Because of E$PN openly putting the SEC ahead of the B1G and the Pac 12. I am certain that both conferences want to sell to two suitors, but E$PN must be punished for their actions. Therefore they lose the contract, which now goes to....CBS, IMHO.
From a personal stand point I would love for the Pac-12 to tell ESPN to kick rocks, the network has done nothing to help sell the conference brand as they do with other partners and in many instances has been an agitator but ESPN is still where eyeballs flock to for sports in general so at least for the time being they are still a necessary evil.
(07-21-2021 09:26 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote: [ -> ]We think the B1G will have to match w/ 16 right? I do. But what is the punishment for an ACC team leaving?
The Big 10 doesn't have to match the SEC in numbers. The Big 12 before this has been able to distribute more revenue per school than the ACC because they only have to split 10 ways vs. 14 vs. the ACC. It wouldn't make sense for the Big 10 to bring in two extra members unless it results in at a minimum the same amount of revenue per Big 10 school. Same for the ACC. It isn't a race for the number of members, it's a race for the amount of revenue per school.
(07-21-2021 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2021 10:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]Bad contract with the Big 12?? I'm talking with the Big Ten and the Pac 12 Stugray. E$PN will lose them too. Is it worth it to E$PN???
Why would they lose the B1G or P12 deals?
I am certain both conferences want to maximize their money, and will continue to build packages to sell to two suitors, much like the NFL does. And one of those, just like the current contract, will be ESPN.
The Big 10 is probably just looking for the best money at this point. Exposure is secondary, especially over the air exposure with the percentage of households with cable TV going down. If ESPN relegates many Big 10 games to ESPN and not ABC because they just want SEC doubleheaders on ABC every week, it's probably worth it to take slightly less money with FOX and/or CBS if it guarantees more OTA coverage. FOX has for the most part made the Big 10 it's #1 conference in priority, the Big 10 can't ignore that. CBS already has a relationship with the Big 10 in men's basketball and the Big 10 is the best option for them to continue football. The Big 10 would be the #2 priority on ABC (and that's assuming they get to be on ABC and not dumped on ESPN) as opposed to the #1 priority for either FOX or CBS (possibly the only one for both after the MWC expires). We have an idea as to the upper limit of CBS's budget but I'm sure FOX will pay a lot of money for Big 10 rights. If the Big 12's worthless when Texas and Oklahoma leave they'll have even more money to throw at the Big 10 and ESPN will have to give more money to the SEC to cover Texas and Oklahoma giving them less for the Big 10. Sure, ESPN and FOX could agree to split the Big 10 as before but if FOX wants the full Big 10 first tier rights, ESPN (or CBS) probably won't be able to counter.
(07-21-2021 10:32 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2021 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2021 10:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]Bad contract with the Big 12?? I'm talking with the Big Ten and the Pac 12 Stugray. E$PN will lose them too. Is it worth it to E$PN???
Why would they lose the B1G or P12 deals?
I am certain both conferences want to maximize their money, and will continue to build packages to sell to two suitors, much like the NFL does. And one of those, just like the current contract, will be ESPN.
Why would they lose the B1G and P12 deals? Because of E$PN openly putting the SEC ahead of the B1G and the Pac 12. I am certain that both conferences want to sell to two suitors, but E$PN must be punished for their actions. Therefore they lose the contract, which now goes to....CBS, IMHO.
The Pac-12’s arrogance off the field and ineptitude on the field means it isn’t presently in a position where it could turn down, let alone ‘punish’ ESPN, and it sure won’t be once the SEC lands the two white whales that Larry Scott failed to reel in over the last 11 years.
Fox seems like they are better off for inventory with half of the Big Ten and half of the Pac12 than with all of the Big10, so Fox supplementing half of the Big Ten and half of the PAC-12 by the Little Eight + recruits inventory, perhaps with CBSSN as a junior partner, would not be a shocker.
(07-21-2021 06:28 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]In particular, the Big Ten and the Pac 12. Does E$PN feel that having OU and Texas is so huge that they can be content with not having Big Ten or Pac 12 ganes??? Because I see both conferences dumping E$PN if OU and Texas to the SEC happen.
As a Big Ten guy, I think any supposed animosity between the Big Ten and ESPN is *completely* overstated. I thought that way a few years ago when there seemed to be a threat that the Big Ten and ESPN were at a contractual stalemate and I still feel the same way today.
At the end of the day, the Big Ten provides valuable content and it wants to maximize revenue and exposure for that content. ESPN certainly provides the most exposure - that is *unquestioned* and everyone knows it. Whether ESPN will pay the most is a different issue, but even in the current contract, the difference between what Fox is paying and ESPN is paying is largely explained by Fox getting the #1 regular season pick of the year (which will virtually always be Michigan-Ohio State) and the Big Ten Championship Game.
Note that Fox is a much smaller and weaker company than it was 5 years ago since it sold off most of its assets to Disney. This isn't the same type of global media partner with a lot of cable channel leverage that the Big Ten originally formed the Big Ten Network with. It wasn't too long ago that partnering was Fox was a viable counterweight to partnering with Disney... but then most of Fox went *to* Disney. I would certainly want to keep a very good working relationship with Disney and ESPN if I were running the Big Ten (or the Pac-12, for that matter). Disney has positioned itself as a dominant player in the streaming market next to Netflix and Amazon Prime while Fox's streaming presence is effectively non-existent beyond authenticated apps requiring a cable subscription, so it behooves the Big Ten to keep that Disney connection for that reason alone.
The NFL and ESPN had many public spats with constant threats of breakups on both sides, too, yet they still always managed to get deals done. Guess what? When push comes to shove, the titans in sports still want to be on ESPN and, in turn, ESPN wants the titans in sports.
No, in fact if both the B1G and Pac-12 were to leave ESPN, Michigan, Ohio State, Stanford, and USC would all be petitioning to join the SEC. Clemson, UNC, Virginia, and one of Florida State/Notre Dame(would prefer the latter(Sorry TerryD)) would then complete the 24-team SEC.
(07-21-2021 06:28 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: [ -> ]In particular, the Big Ten and the Pac 12. Does E$PN feel that having OU and Texas is so huge that they can be content with not having Big Ten or Pac 12 ganes??? Because I see both conferences dumping E$PN if OU and Texas to the SEC happen.
Why would the PAC and B1G dump ESPN if OU and TX join the SEC?
(07-22-2021 09:34 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: [ -> ]No, in fact if both the B1G and Pac-12 were to leave ESPN, Michigan, Ohio State, Stanford, and USC would all be petitioning to join the SEC. Clemson, UNC, Virginia, and one of Florida State/Notre Dame(would prefer the latter(Sorry TerryD)) would then complete the 24-team SEC.
Is there a sarcasm font missing here or are you actually serious?
(07-22-2021 10:28 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (07-22-2021 09:34 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: [ -> ]No, in fact if both the B1G and Pac-12 were to leave ESPN, Michigan, Ohio State, Stanford, and USC would all be petitioning to join the SEC. Clemson, UNC, Virginia, and one of Florida State/Notre Dame(would prefer the latter(Sorry TerryD)) would then complete the 24-team SEC.
Is there a sarcasm font missing here or are you actually serious?
Very much serious, maybe not so much on the two schools in California. But since neither USC nor Stanford are constrained by the California Legislature, it is possible they could bolt without their public contemporaries gumming things up. Now should both elect to stay on the Pacific Coast to become even more irrelevant, sub them for Penn State and Wisconsin.
(07-22-2021 09:34 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: [ -> ]No, in fact if both the B1G and Pac-12 were to leave ESPN, Michigan, Ohio State, Stanford, and USC would all be petitioning to join the SEC. Clemson, UNC, Virginia, and one of Florida State/Notre Dame(would prefer the latter(Sorry TerryD)) would then complete the 24-team SEC.
No offense taken over your preferences
I would prefer Kate Beckinsale or Rhona Mitra over Margot Robbie.
(07-22-2021 10:46 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-22-2021 09:34 AM)Rube Dali Wrote: [ -> ]No, in fact if both the B1G and Pac-12 were to leave ESPN, Michigan, Ohio State, Stanford, and USC would all be petitioning to join the SEC. Clemson, UNC, Virginia, and one of Florida State/Notre Dame(would prefer the latter(Sorry TerryD)) would then complete the 24-team SEC.
No offense taken over your preferences
I would prefer Kate Beckinsale or Rhona Mitra over Margot Robbie.
I'd rather have Margot Robbie over those two, but that's your opinion.
So, FSU, you're in the club.