Leading up to the part he talks about BYU joining a conference and how the tv contracts don't quite line up for renewal. At 10:18 he talks about the SEC. I don't know if he truly believes what he said or just a poor choice or words, but he says they could pursue as many as four teams for all we know and that's what they'll be shooting for. Talk about some potential dominoes if true.
I think he switched context and he was talking about the 12 team playoff. That is "what's in it for us with 12" means the playoff. Then "the SEC is not going to get weaker, they are going to get stronger. They might get 4 teams." He means the SEC might get 4 teams in the playoff; "that's what they are going to be shooting for."
But that got crossed up with realignment opportunity with media contract windows. I had to replay it a few times to figure out he was talking about playoff berths. He forgot to give us a segway, just switched context mid sentence.
I read it as the SEC believes that they can put four teams in the playoffs, not that they want to add four more programs. 4 out of 12 is one-third of the participants just from one conference.
I don’t think Holmoe is privy to any insider information here so I wouldn’t put to much stock on these remarks and this thread should be relatively short.
A school like BYU isn’t dumb. They know the pecking order and they know which conferences have the ability to raid.
They know if there is movement out of the Big 12, that creates opportunity for their school.
(06-18-2021 03:55 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]I think he switched context and he was talking about the 12 team playoff. That is "what's in it for us with 12" means the playoff. Then "the SEC is not going to get weaker, they are going to get stronger. They might get 4 teams." He means the SEC might get 4 teams in the playoff; "that's what they are going to be shooting for."
But that got crossed up with realignment opportunity with media contract windows. I had to replay it a few times to figure out he was talking about playoff berths. He forgot to give us a segway, just switched context mid sentence.
To be fair, "getting four in" to the playoffs might also mean expansion. Does the SEC have a better shot at getting four in in their current set up or if they expand with OK/State, etc?
(06-18-2021 03:59 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: [ -> ]I read it as the SEC believes that they can put four teams in the playoffs, not that they want to add four more programs. 4 out of 12 is one-third of the participants just from one conference.
If this system were in place in 2014-2020, the SEC would have gotten four teams in twice. 2018 and 2020. And 2020 definitely would get an asterisk since the Pac-12 didn't have 1 team, let alone 2 (which they would have had a number of years before 2020).
The Big Ten would have had 4 in 2016.
So, it's possible...but not going to happen on a yearly basis. In fact, the SEC only would have had 3 teams in the new playoff 3 of the other years (two years, they only got one in...2015 and 2016). The Big Ten only got 3 teams in the playoff 3 times.
And only the ACC in 2015 would have gotten 3 teams in, out of all the other conferences in all the other years. Everybody else would have sent 2 reps per year or less.
Again, this is a backwards projecting model...but it helps us keep the conversation based in reality. What kind of rep can we expect then most years?
SEC--3
Big Ten--2.5
Pac-12 and ACC--3.5 total between them
Big 12--1.5
Notre Dame--.5
Group of 5--1
Sure, a conference could get 4 teams. But the Big Ten would have had the same advantage as the SEC during the CFP era if the new 12-team system was in place.
# of teams in new 12-team playoff (using final CFP rankings before the bowls):
2019: 3 SEC, 3 Big Ten
2018: 4 SEC, 3 Big Ten
2017: 3 SEC, 3 Big Ten
2016: 1 SEC, 4 Big Ten
2015: 2 SEC, 3 Big Ten
2014: 3 SEC, 2 Big Ten
Leading up to the part he talks about BYU joining a conference and how the tv contracts don't quite line up for renewal. At 10:18 he talks about the SEC. I don't know if he truly believes what he said or just a poor choice or words, but he says they could pursue as many as four teams for all we know and that's what they'll be shooting for. Talk about some potential dominoes if true.
(06-18-2021 05:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]And for all we know the SEC might add 20 teams.
But they probably won't. Add any.
Or else add Oklahoma and whomever they need to add to get Oklahoma.
I’m reasonably certain the SEC would add Oklahoma if the opportunity presented itself. Oklahoma State would likely be the “whomever” team.
I don’t see this happening but if/when the SEC expands westward OU will top their wish list, with UNC topping the list of schools in the East.
Every single conference in existence would take Oklahoma and Texas right now if both agreed to align with the rest of the conference members (i.e., no LHN for Texas any more). They are both top 5 revenue programs and geographically situated to be the edge of every major conference. Of course, they currently serve as the heart of the Big 12 geography. Both schools have a ton of leverage because of this situation. No matter how big and mighty, I cannot think of any other schools who could join any P5 conference right now and receive a universal "that's a pretty good fit" from every corner of the country. Texas and Oklahoma with the northern ACC schools makes no sense, but there is enough similarity with the public schools from Va Tech down for it to plausibly work.
(06-18-2021 05:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]And for all we know the SEC might add 20 teams.
But they probably won't. Add any.
Or else add Oklahoma and whomever they need to add to get Oklahoma.
I’m reasonably certain the SEC would add Oklahoma if the opportunity presented itself. Oklahoma State would likely be the “whomever” team.
I don’t see this happening but if/when the SEC expands westward OU will top their wish list, with UNC topping the list of schools in the East.
Every single conference in existence would take Oklahoma and Texas right now if both agreed to align with the rest of the conference members (i.e., no LHN for Texas any more). They are both top 5 revenue programs and geographically situated to be the edge of every major conference. Of course, they currently serve as the heart of the Big 12 geography. Both schools have a ton of leverage because of this situation. No matter how big and mighty, I cannot think of any other schools who could join any P5 conference right now and receive a universal "that's a pretty good fit" from every corner of the country. Texas and Oklahoma with the northern ACC schools makes no sense, but there is enough similarity with the public schools from Va Tech down for it to plausibly work.
Texas would get at least one negative vote from the SEC presidents, maybe two. It’s an academic question though. The Horns aren’t about to join a conference where they would have to compete against Alabama, LSU, And Auburn just to win their division.
An Aside- I see you are a Lipscomb fan. Any word on the direction the Bisons might go for a new president?
SEC: At least 3, 4 in a good year. (Divisional champs are in)
Big Ten: 2, 3 in a great year, if the +1 is Ohio State (Divisional champs are in)
Pac-12 1, 2 in a great year, if the +1 is USC
Big 12--1, 2 in a great year, if the +1 is Texas
ACC--1
Notre Dame--1
Group of 5--1
(06-18-2021 05:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]And for all we know the SEC might add 20 teams.
But they probably won't. Add any.
Or else add Oklahoma and whomever they need to add to get Oklahoma.
I’m reasonably certain the SEC would add Oklahoma if the opportunity presented itself. Oklahoma State would likely be the “whomever” team.
I don’t see this happening but if/when the SEC expands westward OU will top their wish list, with UNC topping the list of schools in the East.
Every single conference in existence would take Oklahoma and Texas right now if both agreed to align with the rest of the conference members (i.e., no LHN for Texas any more). They are both top 5 revenue programs and geographically situated to be the edge of every major conference. Of course, they currently serve as the heart of the Big 12 geography. Both schools have a ton of leverage because of this situation. No matter how big and mighty, I cannot think of any other schools who could join any P5 conference right now and receive a universal "that's a pretty good fit" from every corner of the country. Texas and Oklahoma with the northern ACC schools makes no sense, but there is enough similarity with the public schools from Va Tech down for it to plausibly work.
Texas would get at least one negative vote from the SEC presidents, maybe two. It’s an academic question though. The Horns aren’t about to join a conference where they would have to compete against Alabama, LSU, And Auburn just to win their division.
An Aside- I see you are a Lipscomb fan. Any word on the direction the Bisons might go for a new president?
Assuming the SEC stays with divisions and Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, the obvious alignment would be
I watched the clip, and have NO IDEA how you could interpret it as ANYTHING OTHER THAN "they might get 4 teams in the playoff", it's not even ambiguous.
(06-18-2021 06:09 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ]Or else add Oklahoma and whomever they need to add to get Oklahoma.
I’m reasonably certain the SEC would add Oklahoma if the opportunity presented itself. Oklahoma State would likely be the “whomever” team.
I don’t see this happening but if/when the SEC expands westward OU will top their wish list, with UNC topping the list of schools in the East.
Every single conference in existence would take Oklahoma and Texas right now if both agreed to align with the rest of the conference members (i.e., no LHN for Texas any more). They are both top 5 revenue programs and geographically situated to be the edge of every major conference. Of course, they currently serve as the heart of the Big 12 geography. Both schools have a ton of leverage because of this situation. No matter how big and mighty, I cannot think of any other schools who could join any P5 conference right now and receive a universal "that's a pretty good fit" from every corner of the country. Texas and Oklahoma with the northern ACC schools makes no sense, but there is enough similarity with the public schools from Va Tech down for it to plausibly work.
Texas would get at least one negative vote from the SEC presidents, maybe two. It’s an academic question though. The Horns aren’t about to join a conference where they would have to compete against Alabama, LSU, And Auburn just to win their division.
An Aside- I see you are a Lipscomb fan. Any word on the direction the Bisons might go for a new president?
Assuming the SEC stays with divisions and Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, the obvious alignment would be
(06-18-2021 03:01 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]I watched the clip, and have NO IDEA how you could interpret it as ANYTHING OTHER THAN "they might get 4 teams in the playoff", it's not even ambiguous.
It's easy when you have an actual brain impairment.
