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[quote]TCU coach Gary Patterson estimated that only six programs had been invited to the College Football Playoff since its inception in 2014. The reality is that 11 different schools have reached the Playoff, but it’s hard to blame him for feeling as though it’s always the same six teams competing for a national title.
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It's not that hard to blame Gary for not knowing the precise number. Jesus Christ! Learn the number Gary! It's your job!
Regarding changing the talent pool and their destination, we'll see. Expanding the playoffs from 4 to 12 is a monumental change to the system. I'm hopeful that there will indeed be a leveling effect. Gary's teams would have made the playoffs 8 times (twice with a bye) if the proposed new system had corresponded better with his coaching career. I think he would have been able to recruit better with 8 playoff appearances on his resume rather than the zero that the BCS era and the 4-team CFP era allowed.
(06-12-2021 11:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I find it interesting that I'm arguing with a bunch of G5 fans who don't want more G5 teams to have access. That we shouldn't be allowed to have every conference champion to have a spot in the 12 team playoff. The ESPN talking heads and all the P5 schools/conferences have done such an excellent job controlling the system in their favor that the G5 fans really think they don't deserve access and should play for whatever the big schools allow us to have.
Quote the posts where a large number of Go5 supporters ACTUALLY said they don't want more access.
You are just reading posts by people who can keep straight what would be nice to have and what are realistic possibilities, and evidently having trouble keeping them straight yourself. A realistic possibility of a real access to the playoffs for Group of 5 schools is a big step in the right direction.
(06-12-2021 01:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 11:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I find it interesting that I'm arguing with a bunch of G5 fans who don't want more G5 teams to have access. That we shouldn't be allowed to have every conference champion to have a spot in the 12 team playoff. The ESPN talking heads and all the P5 schools/conferences have done such an excellent job controlling the system in their favor that the G5 fans really think they don't deserve access and should play for whatever the big schools allow us to have.
Quote the posts where a large number of Go5 supporters ACTUALLY said they don't want more access.
You are just reading posts by people who can keep straight what would be nice to have and what are realistic possibilities, and evidently having trouble keeping them straight yourself. A realistic possibility of a real access to the playoffs for Group of 5 schools is a big step in the right direction.
Exactly. Would I, as a fan of a school outside of the A5, prefer a system where every conference champion is guaranteed a playoff spot? Of course! Who exactly is going to force the A5 schools to agree to that? The only entity that might have had the ability to do that was the NCAA, and that ship sailed long ago. The A5 would most definitely break away and voluntarily abandon their NCAA basketball tournament credits before they would agree to that. If you want to bluff with something like that, you better be prepared to have it called. I don't see that as a bluff I'd be willing to have called.
USFFan
(06-12-2021 02:27 PM)usffan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 01:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 11:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I find it interesting that I'm arguing with a bunch of G5 fans who don't want more G5 teams to have access. That we shouldn't be allowed to have every conference champion to have a spot in the 12 team playoff. The ESPN talking heads and all the P5 schools/conferences have done such an excellent job controlling the system in their favor that the G5 fans really think they don't deserve access and should play for whatever the big schools allow us to have.
Quote the posts where a large number of Go5 supporters ACTUALLY said they don't want more access.
You are just reading posts by people who can keep straight what would be nice to have and what are realistic possibilities, and evidently having trouble keeping them straight yourself. A realistic possibility of a real access to the playoffs for Group of 5 schools is a big step in the right direction.
Exactly. Would I, as a fan of a school outside of the A5, prefer a system where every conference champion is guaranteed a playoff spot? Of course! Who exactly is going to force the A5 schools to agree to that? The only entity that might have had the ability to do that was the NCAA, and that ship sailed long ago. The A5 would most definitely break away and voluntarily abandon their NCAA basketball tournament credits before they would agree to that. If you want to bluff with something like that, you better be prepared to have it called. I don't see that as a bluff I'd be willing to have called.
USFFan
Though I haven't seen the answer on it yet, I expect the below to happen.
1. All 10 conferences receiving a base distribution, with a bonus distribution for overall conference strength ranked 1-10. If the AAC does have a monster year and finishes higher than the PAC and AAC overall they'd have a shot at earning a larger bonus pool in that particular year.
2. CFP access bowls for the 4 conference champions which do not qualify for the playoff. I can see where the quarters will be Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose every year and then a second tier of Citrus, Peach, Alamo, Fiesta behind that for access slots of the champions who do not make the playoff. This is to partially protect the P5 if they aren't eligible for the playoff but also makes for a nice bone to throw to the G5.
If I'm a G5 I'd take a guaranteed CFP bowl over guaranteed playoff access in years when my champion has absolutely zero chance of winning in the playoff.
Again this is for the national title and a chance to give special G5 teams a shot but not for the joe average 8-5 G5 champion.
(06-11-2021 05:30 PM)johnintx Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2021 04:41 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]Take the data points back to the BCS era and TCU picks up a few byes while Boise State hosted first round games.
UC as recently as last year would have hosted a first round game.
The door will be open wider on the rankings as talent flow improves in the G5.
I think you're right. The more talent flow into the G5, the more likely they are to have multiple teams in the CFP. Likewise, the better the seeds they will receive once in the playoff. And, the ability to win one or more games in the playoff. Some G5 schools will be able to do more than make a token appearance.
Does Cincinnati beat Georgia last year on their home field? Probably.
Prediction...the talent flow will not come so much from recruiting but from Transfers for Powerful P5 Schools from backups that happen to be 4*/5* that can’t get on the field.
(06-12-2021 02:45 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 02:27 PM)usffan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 01:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 11:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I find it interesting that I'm arguing with a bunch of G5 fans who don't want more G5 teams to have access. That we shouldn't be allowed to have every conference champion to have a spot in the 12 team playoff. The ESPN talking heads and all the P5 schools/conferences have done such an excellent job controlling the system in their favor that the G5 fans really think they don't deserve access and should play for whatever the big schools allow us to have.
Quote the posts where a large number of Go5 supporters ACTUALLY said they don't want more access.
You are just reading posts by people who can keep straight what would be nice to have and what are realistic possibilities, and evidently having trouble keeping them straight yourself. A realistic possibility of a real access to the playoffs for Group of 5 schools is a big step in the right direction.
Exactly. Would I, as a fan of a school outside of the A5, prefer a system where every conference champion is guaranteed a playoff spot? Of course! Who exactly is going to force the A5 schools to agree to that? The only entity that might have had the ability to do that was the NCAA, and that ship sailed long ago. The A5 would most definitely break away and voluntarily abandon their NCAA basketball tournament credits before they would agree to that. If you want to bluff with something like that, you better be prepared to have it called. I don't see that as a bluff I'd be willing to have called.
USFFan
Though I haven't seen the answer on it yet, I expect the below to happen.
1. All 10 conferences receiving a base distribution, with a bonus distribution for overall conference strength ranked 1-10. If the AAC does have a monster year and finishes higher than the PAC and AAC overall they'd have a shot at earning a larger bonus pool in that particular year.
2. CFP access bowls for the 4 conference champions which do not qualify for the playoff. I can see where the quarters will be Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose every year and then a second tier of Citrus, Peach, Alamo, Fiesta behind that for access slots of the champions who do not make the playoff. This is to partially protect the P5 if they aren't eligible for the playoff but also makes for a nice bone to throw to the G5.
If I'm a G5 I'd take a guaranteed CFP bowl over guaranteed playoff access in years when my champion has absolutely zero chance of winning in the playoff.
Again this is for the national title and a chance to give special G5 teams a shot but not for the joe average 8-5 G5 champion.
Pretty much everything about revenue distribution in the past really doesn’t care about overall non-power conference strength. It’s almost always about their best team and whether they made the playoff (or top bowl) or not. I know it’s a popular notion to rank conferences here, but that’s generally not how it has worked. (Maybe the G5 cares about it, but the P5 definitely don’t care how the G5 splits their money.)
Now, when it comes to market/contractual power of conferences, that’s a totally different story. Note that the P5 receive a larger share of the CFP revenue because they are defined to be contract bowl conferences. That has nothing to do with on-the-field performance. I’d be quite shocked if that doesn’t continue (as that’s the entire crux of having power in college football).
The access bowls would also still MUCH rather take non-playoff P5 teams over the other G5 champs. Heck, they’d rather take those non-playoff P5 teams over the very best G5 champ that would now be a playoff team.
Let’s not mistake mixing greater playoff access for the G5 (which is coming with this proposal) with true market and revenue power. The P5 isn’t giving up the latter.
(06-11-2021 05:30 PM)johnintx Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2021 04:41 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]Take the data points back to the BCS era and TCU picks up a few byes while Boise State hosted first round games.
UC as recently as last year would have hosted a first round game.
The door will be open wider on the rankings as talent flow improves in the G5.
I think you're right. The more talent flow into the G5, the more likely they are to have multiple teams in the CFP. Likewise, the better the seeds they will receive once in the playoff. And, the ability to win one or more games in the playoff. Some G5 schools will be able to do more than make a token appearance.
Does Cincinnati beat Georgia last year on their home field? Probably.
This. I think everyone sees it as far fetched because they are applying historical rules to the new system. A few have mentioned the SEC just loading up the playoff field, and that's certainly possible.
Look at the ACC on the other hand. They technically put 2 of 4 teams in the playoff this year as arguably the weakest conference with access to it. If the ACC was not eligible for the playoff going into the year, then many people would probably also consider it far fetched that they could get multiple teams in if given access.
(06-12-2021 03:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 02:45 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 02:27 PM)usffan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 01:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 11:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote: [ -> ]I find it interesting that I'm arguing with a bunch of G5 fans who don't want more G5 teams to have access. That we shouldn't be allowed to have every conference champion to have a spot in the 12 team playoff. The ESPN talking heads and all the P5 schools/conferences have done such an excellent job controlling the system in their favor that the G5 fans really think they don't deserve access and should play for whatever the big schools allow us to have.
Quote the posts where a large number of Go5 supporters ACTUALLY said they don't want more access.
You are just reading posts by people who can keep straight what would be nice to have and what are realistic possibilities, and evidently having trouble keeping them straight yourself. A realistic possibility of a real access to the playoffs for Group of 5 schools is a big step in the right direction.
Exactly. Would I, as a fan of a school outside of the A5, prefer a system where every conference champion is guaranteed a playoff spot? Of course! Who exactly is going to force the A5 schools to agree to that? The only entity that might have had the ability to do that was the NCAA, and that ship sailed long ago. The A5 would most definitely break away and voluntarily abandon their NCAA basketball tournament credits before they would agree to that. If you want to bluff with something like that, you better be prepared to have it called. I don't see that as a bluff I'd be willing to have called.
USFFan
Though I haven't seen the answer on it yet, I expect the below to happen.
1. All 10 conferences receiving a base distribution, with a bonus distribution for overall conference strength ranked 1-10. If the AAC does have a monster year and finishes higher than the PAC and AAC overall they'd have a shot at earning a larger bonus pool in that particular year.
2. CFP access bowls for the 4 conference champions which do not qualify for the playoff. I can see where the quarters will be Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose every year and then a second tier of Citrus, Peach, Alamo, Fiesta behind that for access slots of the champions who do not make the playoff. This is to partially protect the P5 if they aren't eligible for the playoff but also makes for a nice bone to throw to the G5.
If I'm a G5 I'd take a guaranteed CFP bowl over guaranteed playoff access in years when my champion has absolutely zero chance of winning in the playoff.
Again this is for the national title and a chance to give special G5 teams a shot but not for the joe average 8-5 G5 champion.
Pretty much everything about revenue distribution in the past really doesn’t care about overall non-power conference strength. It’s almost always about their best team and whether they made the playoff (or too bowl) or not. I know it’s a popular notion to rank conferences here, but that’s generally not how it has worked.
Now, when it comes to market/contractual power of conferences, that’s a totally different story. Note that the P5 receive a larger share of the CFP revenue because they are defined to be contract bowl conferences. That has nothing to do with on-the-field performance. I’d be quite shocked if that doesn’t continue (as that’s the entire crux of having power in college football).
The access bowls would also still MUCH rather take non-playoff P5 teams over the other G5 champs. Heck, they’d rather take those non-playoff P5 teams over the very best G5 champ that would now be a playoff team.
Let’s not mistake mixing greater playoff access for the G5 (which is coming with this proposal) with true market and revenue power. The P5 isn’t giving up the latter.
We have no details on the money split so far. G5 can trade money for access. If they get a base share of $40 million but not extra for that access bowl slot they effectively trade money for access.
I'm putting $40 million out there because that's about double what the G5 earn now and the expanded playoff as we know it will be worth at least double.
So yes I agree that in some way the money will still be loaded to the P5 but the question is how do you do it with a system like this? Do you do it by appearance or overall conference strength? Either way its going to be more $$$ and relative to the G5 shoestring budget it will be a significant money increase.
I doubt the P5 will have it tied to contracts for the quarterfinal bowls like they do for CFP bowls in the current system. There won't be a guarantee of making it into a quarterfinal bowl for any conference for one.
In a 1-10 system the lowest rated conference would earn 1.82% of the bonus pool money while the highest would earn 18.2% of the money. The minimum cut for a Top 5 conference would be 10.9% or over 5x more of the lowest rated conference.
They could split the money four ways; base distro, overall conference, appearance and academic money. It is this way already for the G5 which has a conference performance split of their football money. P5 gets a base distro for having contract bowls, appearance for participating and APR money that is split evenly for all FBS schools.
A5 overlords, gee how do we g5ers put an end to this crap, mybe form our own FBS league, our time has come to act, to be free from having to listen to A5 idiots flapping their pie-holes about tradition and only old traditional bowls work and nothing new gets money and your stadiums are small so your stupid and g5ers are told what it can do or not do...yeah who wants that sh!t...
130 FBS teams...hmmm, that’s a lot, time for a new FBS league, but how to split and remain FBS ?
all you scaredykittys that scream FCS whenever i bring up a split need not respond, actually iam not the OP
i’ll start a new thread on an FBS split and the pros and cons and how the G5 can do it and remain FBS
(06-12-2021 03:29 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 03:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 02:45 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 02:27 PM)usffan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 01:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ]Quote the posts where a large number of Go5 supporters ACTUALLY said they don't want more access.
You are just reading posts by people who can keep straight what would be nice to have and what are realistic possibilities, and evidently having trouble keeping them straight yourself. A realistic possibility of a real access to the playoffs for Group of 5 schools is a big step in the right direction.
Exactly. Would I, as a fan of a school outside of the A5, prefer a system where every conference champion is guaranteed a playoff spot? Of course! Who exactly is going to force the A5 schools to agree to that? The only entity that might have had the ability to do that was the NCAA, and that ship sailed long ago. The A5 would most definitely break away and voluntarily abandon their NCAA basketball tournament credits before they would agree to that. If you want to bluff with something like that, you better be prepared to have it called. I don't see that as a bluff I'd be willing to have called.
USFFan
Though I haven't seen the answer on it yet, I expect the below to happen.
1. All 10 conferences receiving a base distribution, with a bonus distribution for overall conference strength ranked 1-10. If the AAC does have a monster year and finishes higher than the PAC and AAC overall they'd have a shot at earning a larger bonus pool in that particular year.
2. CFP access bowls for the 4 conference champions which do not qualify for the playoff. I can see where the quarters will be Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose every year and then a second tier of Citrus, Peach, Alamo, Fiesta behind that for access slots of the champions who do not make the playoff. This is to partially protect the P5 if they aren't eligible for the playoff but also makes for a nice bone to throw to the G5.
If I'm a G5 I'd take a guaranteed CFP bowl over guaranteed playoff access in years when my champion has absolutely zero chance of winning in the playoff.
Again this is for the national title and a chance to give special G5 teams a shot but not for the joe average 8-5 G5 champion.
Pretty much everything about revenue distribution in the past really doesn’t care about overall non-power conference strength. It’s almost always about their best team and whether they made the playoff (or too bowl) or not. I know it’s a popular notion to rank conferences here, but that’s generally not how it has worked.
Now, when it comes to market/contractual power of conferences, that’s a totally different story. Note that the P5 receive a larger share of the CFP revenue because they are defined to be contract bowl conferences. That has nothing to do with on-the-field performance. I’d be quite shocked if that doesn’t continue (as that’s the entire crux of having power in college football).
The access bowls would also still MUCH rather take non-playoff P5 teams over the other G5 champs. Heck, they’d rather take those non-playoff P5 teams over the very best G5 champ that would now be a playoff team.
Let’s not mistake mixing greater playoff access for the G5 (which is coming with this proposal) with true market and revenue power. The P5 isn’t giving up the latter.
We have no details on the money split so far. G5 can trade money for access. If they get a base share of $40 million but not extra for that access bowl slot they effectively trade money for access.
I'm putting $40 million out there because that's about double what the G5 earn now and the expanded playoff as we know it will be worth at least double.
So yes I agree that in some way the money will still be loaded to the P5 but the question is how do you do it with a system like this? Do you do it by appearance or overall conference strength? Either way its going to be more $$$ and relative to the G5 shoestring budget it will be a significant money increase.
I doubt the P5 will have it tied to contracts for the quarterfinal bowls like they do for CFP bowls in the current system. There won't be a guarantee of making it into a quarterfinal bowl for any conference for one.
In a 1-10 system the lowest rated conference would earn 1.82% of the bonus pool money while the highest would earn 18.2% of the money. The minimum cut for a Top 5 conference would be 10.9% or over 5x more of the lowest rated conference.
They could split the money four ways; base distro, overall conference, appearance and academic money. It is this way already for the G5 which has a conference performance split of their football money. P5 gets a base distro for having contract bowls, appearance for participating and APR money that is split evenly for all FBS schools.
The P5 currently get the larger CFP payouts on the basis that they’re “giving up” their contract bowl slots when they’re semifinals. (The years that the contract bowls aren’t semifinals are outside of the CFP revenue stream.) That same theory could apply here with the practical effect that they’re giving up their contract bowl slots *every* year. In fact, I think that pretty much has to be part of the bargain when we’re looking at this realistically - the P5 need to be compensated for those contract bowl years when they’d be getting $40 million-plus each for non-playoff games. Anyone that thinks they’re giving up that *guaranteed* income is fooling themselves.
(06-12-2021 03:48 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]A5 overlords, gee how do we g5ers put an end to this crap, mybe form our own FBS league, our time has come to act, to be free from having to listen to A5 idiots flapping their pie-holes about tradition and only old traditional bowls work and nothing new gets money and your stadiums are small so your stupid and g5ers are told what it can do or not do...yeah who wants that sh!t...
130 FBS teams...hmmm, that’s a lot, time for a new FBS league, but how to split and remain FBS ?
all you scaredykittys that scream FCS whenever i bring up a split need not respond, actually iam not the OP
i’ll start a new thread on an FBS split and the pros and cons and how the G5 can do it and remain FBS
Tell you what, JHS55, since you keep saying this over and over again - feel free to start up your new minor league, and sit back and watch how fast nobody joins. Meanwhile, how about if you just point people back to the SAME FREAKING POST YOU KEEP TRYING TO MAKE so we don't have to read it as if you're making some new point.
FFS!
NotASelfRelegationFan
(06-12-2021 04:02 PM)usffan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 03:48 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]A5 overlords, gee how do we g5ers put an end to this crap, mybe form our own FBS league, our time has come to act, to be free from having to listen to A5 idiots flapping their pie-holes about tradition and only old traditional bowls work and nothing new gets money and your stadiums are small so your stupid and g5ers are told what it can do or not do...yeah who wants that sh!t...
130 FBS teams...hmmm, that’s a lot, time for a new FBS league, but how to split and remain FBS ?
all you scaredykittys that scream FCS whenever i bring up a split need not respond, actually iam not the OP
i’ll start a new thread on an FBS split and the pros and cons and how the G5 can do it and remain FBS
Tell you what, JHS55, since you keep saying this over and over again - feel free to start up your new minor league, and sit back and watch how fast nobody joins. Meanwhile, how about if you just point people back to the SAME FREAKING POST YOU KEEP TRYING TO MAKE so we don't have to read it as if you're making some new point.
FFS!
NotASelfRelegationFan
“ sit back and watch how fast nobody joins” dang man that’s some serious negative waves man
sounds like you have zero faith in the growth potential of a g5 league, is this because Disney owns everything? and Disney’s media monopoly can kill off a new FBS league faster than you can say “ jhs55 is right about everything “ then iam with ya there
but if your saying G5ers can’t survive alone because of not enough fan support, then i disagree with you completely
I am just guessing here. P5 schools + ND will get 80% of total revenue and G5 + other indys get 20%.
So each P5 school + ND get 1.23% each
Each G5 school + other indys get 0.31% each.
Or least that's the starting point in negotiations.
(06-13-2021 09:47 AM)goofus Wrote: [ -> ]I am just guessing here. P5 schools + ND will get 80% of total revenue and G5 + other indys get 20%.
So each P5 school + ND get 1.23% each
Each G5 school + other indys get 0.31% each.
Or least that's the starting point in negotiations.
we are all equal but some are more equal than others
(06-11-2021 06:16 AM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I don’t see how this makes BYU want to join a conference. They’re either competing for one spot by winning a CCG with a conference schedule or 6 spots by going undefeated with a schedule they put together.
BYU would be competing for one of seven spots if they are in a conference, and one of six spots if they aren't in one. That said, a P5 runner up would be more likely to get an at-large bid than a G5 runner up or independent, but how would the committee react to a 12-1 BYU whose only loss is in the conference championship game to a 13-0 Boise State?
(06-12-2021 03:48 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]A5 overlords, gee how do we g5ers put an end to this crap, mybe form our own FBS league, our time has come to act, to be free from having to listen to A5 idiots flapping their pie-holes about tradition and only old traditional bowls work and nothing new gets money and your stadiums are small so your stupid and g5ers are told what it can do or not do...yeah who wants that sh!t...
130 FBS teams...hmmm, that’s a lot, time for a new FBS league, but how to split and remain FBS ?
all you scaredykittys that scream FCS whenever i bring up a split need not respond, actually iam not the OP
i’ll start a new thread on an FBS split and the pros and cons and how the G5 can do it and remain FBS
If the P5 and G5 went their separate ways and had their own playoffs, how long would it be before folks began speculating as to which champion was the best and would agitate for another playoff game? It'd be like the debate about the NFL vs. AFL, a matter which was resolved by Joe Namath's Jets.
(06-13-2021 10:47 AM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 03:48 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]A5 overlords, gee how do we g5ers put an end to this crap, mybe form our own FBS league, our time has come to act, to be free from having to listen to A5 idiots flapping their pie-holes about tradition and only old traditional bowls work and nothing new gets money and your stadiums are small so your stupid and g5ers are told what it can do or not do...yeah who wants that sh!t...
130 FBS teams...hmmm, that’s a lot, time for a new FBS league, but how to split and remain FBS ?
all you scaredykittys that scream FCS whenever i bring up a split need not respond, actually iam not the OP
i’ll start a new thread on an FBS split and the pros and cons and how the G5 can do it and remain FBS
If the P5 and G5 went their separate ways and had their own playoffs, how long would it be before folks began speculating as to which champion was the best and would agitate for another playoff game? It'd be like the debate about the NFL vs. AFL, a matter which was resolved by Joe Namath's Jets.
Almost never.
When UCF was 14-0, many thought it was unfair that they didn't get a chance to play Alabama (or maybe Georgia that year? LSU? Ohio State? Oklahoma?)
Nobody thought UCF could beat Alabama.
Nobody ever thinks "gee I wonder if NDSU could beat Alabama this year'
I wonder how much friction this will create between ESPN and the NFL. For the 2021 season, the NFL has Saturday flex games for Week 15 (December 18) and Week 18 (January 8). If the Quarterfinals are played on New Year's Eve/Day, this is a huge problem for the semifinals.
This is likely a problem for the first round as well - I can't see even the P5 schools being thrilled to host a game on six or even five days' notice by using NFL Week 14 (Army/Navy week), especially if it would fall around the time of Fall Semester Commencement ceremonies, final exams, and possibly parents even picking up students from schools that don't permit freshmen to have cars on campus. Would college football allow the NFL to use the Saturday of Week 14, in exchange for freeing up the Saturday of Week 15?
I don't see a similar fix for the NFL with Week 18, unless if the NFL is willing to have a game kick off at 1 PM Eastern that Saturday, and let the CFP have the 4:30 and 8:00 PM timeslots. Or if the NFL insists on two games that day, the CFP could play earlier (Noon and 3:30 Eastern) and the NFL could play at 7:00 PM and 10:15 PM, with the second game being between two teams on the West Coast, like Chargers/Raiders or Seahawks/49ers).
(06-12-2021 03:29 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]... So yes I agree that in some way the money will still be loaded to the P5 but the question is how do you do it with a system like this? Do you do it by appearance or overall conference strength? Either way its going to be more $$$ and relative to the G5 shoestring budget it will be a significant money increase. ...
The "source of the money" side of the bargaining table are the media partners, and they are paying for media value. They are not paying for conference strength in a competitive football sense, but conference strength in a "how many people will subscribe / tune-in" sense.
In that context, the Go5
getting the base share of a single "Contract" Conference to divide among themselves (though without the various contract bowl top-ups) was an
accomplishment, so hopefully they can do it again, but it should not be taken for granted.
The media partners certainly didn't insist that the Go5 invent a conference strength table system to govern the distribution of their share. 20% share for all, equal share per school, all would have been the same to the media partners. The NCAA vote to add an extra game to the post-season FBS allowance for the four schools picked by the CFP went off without a hitch, job done, spend your money how you like.
(06-13-2021 10:47 AM)colohank Wrote: [ -> ] (06-12-2021 03:48 PM)JHS55 Wrote: [ -> ]A5 overlords, gee how do we g5ers put an end to this crap, mybe form our own FBS league, our time has come to act, to be free from having to listen to A5 idiots flapping their pie-holes about tradition and only old traditional bowls work and nothing new gets money and your stadiums are small so your stupid and g5ers are told what it can do or not do...yeah who wants that sh!t...
130 FBS teams...hmmm, that’s a lot, time for a new FBS league, but how to split and remain FBS ?
all you scaredykittys that scream FCS whenever i bring up a split need not respond, actually iam not the OP
i’ll start a new thread on an FBS split and the pros and cons and how the G5 can do it and remain FBS
If the P5 and G5 went their separate ways and had their own playoffs, how long would it be before folks began speculating as to which champion was the best and would agitate for another playoff game? It'd be like the debate about the NFL vs. AFL, a matter which was resolved by Joe Namath's Jets.
4 or 5 years is my guess, the g5ers would be calling for this “ college super bowl “ instantly but the a5ers would avoid this “ CSB “ game for as long as possible because they know this would elevate the g5 to equal status and that means they would not have a monopoly on recruiting and the exciting thing is the college football fan base would explode in numbers
how to get to that point is the big question... gamble